67 year old woman here..long and varied work history...Most of my female bosses were horrid.

[jodymarie aimee]

67 year old woman here..long and varied work history. I have been an optician, Manager of a health spa, USDA, Corp Ins Offices, beautician, nurse in ICU..I even interviewed at a massage parlour...worked ONE day there...I have done it all !!

Most of my female bosses were horrid...jealous, all manner of crazy..used to make fun of me for exercising in the 1970s..exercising....at the USDA the other women mocked my ONE brilliant lady boss a Chicago attny, because she wore white tights...my men bosses were all about the work...no pettiness...

I also had another woman boss and every morning on the way to work I would pray "Lord please don't let Rosemary be nasty to me today" how pathetic was that...I finally walked out one day..no notice no nothing...My Mom said Jody, Rosemary is jealous of you...I waved that off...but now that I am older, I WAS the same age, 177 IQ and I was very pretty...so maybe Mom had something...I am a testament that women bosses can be really shitty to other women, regardless of the caliber/quality of your work performance. Again, I am 67. My history may differ from a 19 year old or a 40 year old.

And there is nothing mean or catty or sexist in telling this truth....if you think one of your women bosses is a bully, you might want to warn others...not with TMZ, but a reputable publication.

[elleng]

1. Women bosses can be really shitty to other women, men bosses can be shitty to women and men,

I've had them both.

And vice versa.

[BigmanPigman]

2. That statement got me thinking...

my experiences and observations of bosses of both sexes. I'm with you.

[mahina]

4. My women bosses were absent and my worst male boss was afraid

To call a terrible bully out.

I haven’t had any good bosses but I’ve had heaps of wonderful colleagues.

And one fantastic partner.
Mwould have loved a good boss.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. In men dominated businesses, women have to prove themselves and do much more to be viewed on par.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

30. HUMANS (male & female) CAN BE "REAL SHITTY" TO WILDLIFE! WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE:

[procon]

47. Why did you post this here?

We're you looking for attention with such trollish behavior? The shock factor is obivious, especially as it appears without any warning statement of the graphic content, but what did you think to accomplish posting it in an unrelated thread?

Yes, it's horrible, and every other similar adjective applies, but your purpose (whatever it was) seems too self centered to be given anything more than a rebuke. So, I resent your unnecessarily thoughtless intrusion and your untoward display of graphic animal porn into this discussion.

[elleng]

138. Thanks 'so much' for your non-responsive reply.

[Ms. Toad]

154. Please remove this image. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. n/r

[Frank Leemydear]

226. I've alerted on it

I'm a total newb here, but cruelty to animals makes my blood boil.

[LanternWaste]

199. Chinese satellites preventing concentration on topic at hand?

[obamanut2012]

3. That's nice

All of mine have been great, most of my make bosses have been sexist, petty tools, who favored men and barely men more than any woman who worked for them. In a profession majority women. All of my women bosses, including my current one, gets judged much harsher than any male one was.

I sincerely doubt most of your female bosses have been horrid -- you just judged them as you were raised to judge them.

[mahina]

5. Lucky duck.

I don’t know about how objective any of us can be about our own experiences but at least those are informed.

Can’t say about anyone else’s experience unless I was there.

Have you seen Pixar’s short on the ball of yarn? It’s pretty good

[Croney]

65. That's good.

[janterry]

115. My teenaged daughter and I just watched that

it was great. Thanks!

[mahina]

129. Thanks Pixar. Pretty good !

🤙🏼🤙🏼

[Laffy Kat]

6. Right.

I always found female bosses to be more understanding with childcare issues, etc. They are also more likely to engage in dialogue about conflicts. Male bosses don't want to hear it. Yes, I've had some real doozies of female supervisors but at least I haven't been chased around my desk by one (that really happened!).

[jodymarie aimee]

11. I wasn't raised to judge bosses...my mom or Nanas never worked...

but I am very bright...I judged by MY own experiences..I judge not by sex, by the person....the lady attny I mentioned was spectacular and all the other ladies in the office made fun of her., too...she was cosmopolitan and they were small town..

I see you are still working...I said your experiences might be different than mine...

[obamanut2012]

43. whatever

[elias7]

46. ?????

First, you tell the OP that she is probably misperceiving the situation, then when she responds, you pull a “whatever” on her? Do you need a cookie?

[Demsrule86]

51. Any one makes claims that the OP did is dealing in women bashing in my opinon...what is there to

say? I think society encourages women to tear other women down which is why I wonder about a female presidential candidate in this environment.

[Squinch]

53. I agree. What could possibly be the aim here, other than to say that women don't make

good bosses? Which is ridiculous.

[Demsrule86]

54. It sure is...your sex does not determine you ability to be a boss or president for that matter.

[elias7]

185. No one is saying that gender determines ability to lead

Her experience is certainly not mine - I’ve had male and female bosses, both good and bad, mostly good - but that doesn’t give me the right to blow her off in a condescending manner. I don’t think she is arguing that a woman cannot be president, those are your words

[Demsrule86]

186. Change the word "woman" to "Black or Latina" and think about it.

Sorry, I don't agree with you. Our women candidates have enough to deal with. They are judged on how they look, their hair if they are likeable, toughness and of course if they are a 'mean' boss of late. This OP reinforces ugly stereotypes-whether it was intended to or not. I like the poster and have enjoyed many of her offerings but not this one.

[still_one]

156. The OP is perpetuating sexist bullshit, based on anecdotal experience. This is the same kind of

slurs hurled toward Hillary by some, and I hear it also hurled toward our female potential Democratic nominees

[Beartracks]

122. I know, right? To be so dismissive of a woman's opinion and...

... personal experience is exactly the kind of bias the poster claims to resent.

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[Tipperary]

24. Spot on.

I have had good and bad bosses; my female bosses were far and away the best.

I suspect there is more to the story.

[Beartracks]

121. So the OP is incapable of identifying difficult people on her own?

Please explain how you know this about her.

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[George II]

161. I worked for close to 50 years, a mix of men and women, and I couldn't characterize...

...any as bad or good simply because of their gender.

[Eliot Rosewater]

201. What is the point of the OP and the conversation in the first place?

Is there a MEME out there attacking Democratic women running for president or something like that?

[Hekate]

218. Well spotted, Eliot

[lillypaddle]

215. This nt

[Drahthaardogs]

7. Some of my best bosses were women, some of the worst

Were also women. Some of my best bosses were men, some of the worst men. Now that I am a supervisor, some of my best employees are women, some of the worst are women. Some of my best employees are nen, some of the worst are men.

Bottom line. It's just the way people are. Doesn't matter if you have an innie or an outie!

[Glamrock]

8. I've had two female bosses my entire life.

The first was Marge, she was an assistant plant manager at a liquid filling factory I worked at right out of H. S. She was as tough and mean as any boss I've ever worked for. But she had a soft side towards het employees if they met her expectations. I loved her. Not in a romantic way mind you. If I had to guess, probably a lesbian. Crewcut, missing teeth, flannel shirts, chain wallet long before that was cool. And don't get me wrong, I could give a shit less. Just painting a picture here... But I digress. She was awesome. Loved that woman. Got my ass chewed a few times from her. It was fucking terrifying! She towered over me and probably had 100#'s on my narrow ass. But, that didn't happen unless you fucked up. I had tons of respect for Marge.

My second was Randa, the sweetest most loving boss you could ever hope for. She looked upon her crew as her children, and treated us as such. She was absolutely wonderful to work for. She had the absolute loyalty of our entire crew. She was a big woman too, and at a meeting, during a smoke break, someone on another crew called her a fat ass bitch. I'm here to tell ya, it took a third crew to step in because there were 20 people getting ready to throw down in her defense, myself included. Whole Lotta shoving and "take it back fucker! Take it back! " I'd work for her again in a heartbeat.

However, my wife has had a string of female bosses. And goddamn! They are everything you talk about. Consequently, I don't think it's a matter of female vs. male. It's a matter of asshole vs. non-asshole. Just my 2 cents....

[Squinch]

9. I can't think of a woman boss I have had that was bad. And some were fabulous. I have had

two male bosses who were awful. The only female that was impossible was a woman who was at my level but was best buddies with one of horrible male bosses.

[lunatica]

10. For the last 15 years of my job I knew more than all my bosses and supervisors

So they all treated me well. In the first couple of years I had a woman boss who was terrible. She was lazy, demanding and loaded me down with work. Once she told me that she was giving me more work because she could. I got a job in another department. Working in a University I got part time work in two departments which gave me full time work. I had one man boss and one woman boss and they were both wonderful. I loved both both my jobs. Good bosses make all the difference in your life and your health.

Then the university moved all the employees who did the same types of work out of the departments and into a cubicle farm far away from the university and ruined everything for everyone. The boss was a woman and my supervisor was a woman. The boss was hell in high heels and mistreated the supervisors forcing them to treat us badly. In my case that didn’t last long. I went directly to the boss and questioned her tactics. By this time I was in my 60s, I knew my job and had no fear when it came to confronting authority about the treatment of the employees. I was fortunate to have a union (Teamsters) and a university that made it extremely hard to fire employees. It would take years to fire people! Plus the Faculty I worked with loved me because I knew my job and was reliable. Faculty have a lot of power in universities. I was lucky because I had enough power to push back.

[jodymarie aimee]

12. I had one lady boss at an Ins Agency when I was early 20s

Gloria was hell on heels, too..Our dept had 25 women...4 of whom were her pets...the rest of us she treated like dirt...finally one day we all went to the VP...we were terrified, but brave....2 months later.... she was removed and we got a young guy boss..we were union...approx 800 employees total...

Like I said, women can be really shitty to other women...for whatever is lacking in them, I suppose...and it has nothing to do with job performance..

[milestogo]

13. I've had very few female bosses, but they rank among the worst I've ever had.

Micro-managers and bullies. No sense of their own authority, so they had to really stick it to you.

[Aristus]

14. A long time ago, I worked in a bank. My supervisor was a woman, and her boss was, too.

The supervisor was terrible to me. She would deliberately put me in all kinds of situations that made me look as if I was disobeying her, then she would report me to her boss.

After enough of these situations would occur, I would get called in for a talk with the boss. She was sympathetic to my case, and even told me she knew the supervisor was doing it deliberately. She had gotten several people fired for essentially made-up reasons. She never got around to saying why the supervisor's own behavior wasn't grounds for firing, or at least for disciplinary action.

I never attributed the supervisor's actions to the fact that I was a man; just that she was vicious, and used to getting her own way.

The workplace situation is much different now. As a medical provider in a clinic, I'm shown a great deal of deference, and could probably get away with a ton of shit. The clinic has a chronic shortage of medical providers, and as a result, no one wants to offend one of us so that we pack up and leave. But acting like a workplace asshole is not how I've ever rolled. So I've built a strong, cohesive team that loves working together. Several of my staff have told me that if I ever leave the company, they want to go with me. That's very gratifying.

[jalan48]

15. My best boss was a woman and my worst boss was a woman.

The best one pitched in and did the work of line staff when we were short-handed. She was liked and respected by everyone. My worst boss was young-late 20's with an enormous sense of entitlement. She thought her job was to delegate and criticize.

[Hekate]

16. Only had one woman boss, a sweet grandma when I was a a just-divorced 33 yo....

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Unfortunately it was a part time job and when my ex lost his job (hence most of my child support) I had to move on.

My worst job EVER was for a man. Bejaysus he was awful, screaming and swearing from 8am to 5pm. I broke two molars from grinding my teeth. It was the only job in my life that I quit without another job to go to the next day. One day he came steaming back from a meeting I had set up and said the man he was supposed to meet was not there. Okay, so I phone to see what happened and am told the secretary had a miscarriage so several things in the office fell thru the cracks. While I was making appropriate sympathetic sounds preparatory to rescheduling the meeting, the *hole who was my boss yanked the phone from my hand so he could scream at the woman at the other end of the line.

The man before him would shtup anything in a skirt that didn't move out of his way. I worked for him for 4 years because by gods I needed that job, but I kept moving out of his way and in general behaved like I was immune to his manly charms. The woman hired after me caught a dose of the clap from him.

Anyway, after the screamer I lucked into the best boss of my life, bar none. He was such a good soul, a good ol' boy raised in a lumber camp where his parents were the cooks. I remember him with great fondness.

You never know.

[ismnotwasm]

17. I've heard that

I’ve been a nurse for 26 years and I’ve never had women specific problems, in a woman dominated field. Ever. I wonder if it’s how power structures are set up? Or how women are taught to perceive themselves and others? I’ve talked to other nurses who felt differently, and definitely had gender specific problems. What did you think of your male bosses?

I find I adore it when one of our medical or surgical teams is mostly or all women, it’s like a missing piece has finally been placed for great patient care, men are great as well, but when we get that balance, it’s the best thing ever.

[RockCreek]

37. Some women nurses are really difficult with women doctors

Sometimes it os subtle, in just treating the male doctors better. More ready to make calls, restock, get vitals, whatever support is needed for male doctors. Even when the males and females are at the same seniority, etc level.

[treestar]

88. This is a thing

I only worked for men, but the secretaries would be women often older than me. They would snipe at me or complain if I changed things - it was in the days before word processors, so if I changed something, that made her work look bad! This did not always happen, as I did have some helpful and supportive secretaries. When I got to a point where one was assigned to me, they were starting to be younger than me, and that made a difference. I think the older ones resented a younger woman professional and their generation was one that initially stayed home as housewives and if they worked, would always be the secretary rather than the executive.

By now, that generation is retired or gone, so it is probably less of a thing.

[Jake Stern]

18. Had great female and male bosses and many that weren't so great

That being said my experience is that I tend to prefer male managers.

One important reason is that I've found that male managers seem to nip workplace squabbles in the bud much quicker than female managers and aren't as hesitant about showing people the door who cause trouble.

Had a guy at one of my jobs that was just a total asshole to me. He would deliberately mess up my shelves and would frequently use profanity toward me.

The female assistant manager told me she didn't want to let him go because he's "has kids to feed". The male store manager had no such qualms and finally fired his foul mouthed, bad attitude ass.

[Raine]

19. Totally agree nt

[Beringia]

20. I think some people are just corrupt with how they use power

I think in general men have often grown up to be groomed to get power whereas women are not. Then when a woman gets it, she may be unconfident in how she uses it. Then many women are more socialized to cooperate, not compete, so don't end up tyrants like some men. So confluence of who the person is deep down, how they are socialized and how they handle power.

[question everything]

22. Sure, tell the truth, but be up front. Don't hide behind anonymity

Especially if you have long left the job and found something else.

And, don't be used by others to manipulate people and news.

[area51]

23. I've had 3 female bosses; 2 bad and 1 good. n/t

[JenniferJuniper]

79. So...based on your personal experiences

Shall we ban women from positions of authority?

[SharonClark]

25. What triggered you to write this OP? Are you writing a memoire?

[betsuni]

29. Title:

My Life: Lady Bosses Are Horrid Jealous Crazy Petty Nasty Pathetic Shitty Bullies, A Memoir.

[jodymarie aimee]

35. perhaps you have writing talent, also !!

If you intuit, I am describing most of MY lady bosses....this is MY life history and MY OP..thanks for your wisdom, tho!! May it take you far in YOUR life.

[betsuni]

48. ...

"Perhaps you are not a professional writer as am I also too! I Inuit describing MY lady bosses so horrible and MY history and MY OP which has no relationship to wisdom, tho!!

[jodymarie aimee]

52. what language are you speaking here...

not coming thru English..

[betsuni]

62. LOL

"not coming thru English.."

[LiberalLovinLug]

153. That's pretty nasty

Hyper Grammar police. And you don't stop there....you also have to laugh in her face.

nice.

I wouldn't want to work for you.

[NurseJackie]

205. Oh dear me!

[Demsrule86]

41. Unbelievable...I hate this post and it pisses me off to see such a post from a liberal

woman. I suppose this is an attack on Sen. Klobuchar. I don't suppose the poster realizes it makes an argument against all women candidates as being unfit to serve in any capacity much less as president.

[jodymarie aimee]

59. tone it down there kid...

my post most certainly does no such thing..I am almost 68 years old....I have a long history OF LIFE...and this was part of MY working life...

I don't know you and will never meet you...I have no desire to open a dialogue with you...I have work to do for my DEMS..I do a daily newsletter for them. My best friend is my State Rep...and she is magnificent....neither of us use the word HATE.

[Demsrule86]

61. Say what you want but this discourages women as bosses and as presidential candidates... I have to

wonder why you would post so negatively toward women. We face enough shit from men without progressive women helping to reinforce the worst stereotypes.

[jodymarie aimee]

94. once again my post was MY personal history

I consider myself a human....not locked into gender roles and I never stereotype. Judge folks on their actions, not their gender for pity's sake.

On the flip side, I am a 4 time rape victim and domestic abuse survivor...and I do NOT hate all men...ACTIONS, PEOPLE....

[Demsrule86]

98. You are saying that women bosses are shitty...using your personal history.There is a difference.

And I won't respond again so don't feel any need to answer this. I find this terrible in a year when we have multiple female candidates running for president...just my opinion. I don't see the good in this post...just the opposite.

[jodymarie aimee]

100. what part of MY experiences are you not getting?

MY work history, MY bosses...I certainly would not vote for any of them for President!!! Just because of their gender. Judge as a human, not a man or a woman. Equal means equal.

[obamanut2012]

42. 100% this

And, if a person's female bosses have almost totally been horrid, there is ONE common factor there, and it isn't the bosses being women, it's the person they are supervising who cannot work with women supervising them.

I am a woman, and a boss, and a good one, and a mentoring one, and that goes for the women who have been MY bosses since my first job in HS.

[sorcrow]

49. BINGO

You may be on to something there.
Regards,
Crow

[Tipperary]

50. Nailed it.

Sad to see this here. Substitute any other minority name in the title, and I would imagine it would be removed. Smh.

[LakeArenal]

105. Same here.

Personalities clash. Work still needs to get done. Same personalities just different faces with different jobs.

Always going to have someone who thinks they know more than you, had more experience than you, the cynical, the hard workers, the habitually late, the loyal, the troublemaker, the victim, the pleaser.

Part of life. Especially in the work world.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

159. My thinking exactly.

If all or most of her female bosses were horrid, then what is it they have in common?

I'm 70, and I've had good and bad female and male bosses. I recall back in the '70s people constantly put forth that women were terrible bosses, and that misperception was used to keep from promoting women. Some people aren't good at being a boss. It has little to do with their gender.

[womanofthehills]

181. Agreed, I have a "friend" who has 6 bothers and siters who all "all mean"

6 brothers and sisters all talk and get alone. One common factor here too. All of them are just mean to only her.

[jodymarie aimee]

34. I am a writer

and I assume my reader intuits...I assume my reader is intelligent. I compliment your French spelling..

[PTWB]

109. Are you? What do you write? I would love to read some of your work.

[Tipperary]

165. I doubt you will get an answer.

Good luck.

[demmiblue]

182. Here is some of her work:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11860471

Oh, wait. It was cut and pasted from an article in The Guardian.

[PTWB]

208. Wow. Just wow.

I feel bad for her. Something is clearly not right.

[lillypaddle]

216. Plagiarism seems a habit

called her out on something she posted that was off twitter, and credit was not given. She did, however, repost with proper credit.

I looked for the post in order to link it, but my posts don't go back prior to January.

[athena]

114. I'm sorry to have to say this, but a good writer does not use ellipses the way you do.

A good writer does not use ellipses to circumvent the need for correct punctuation. In fact, the use of ellipses in this way is a pretty strong indication that the writer has not had the benefit of a good education.

Someone who claims to be a writer while making the most basic of grammar mistakes does not have a lot of credibility when she claims that her bosses were unfairly mean to her. Perhaps your female bosses had higher standards than your male bosses.

See:
https://www.writing-skills.com/five-annoying-ways-use-ellipsis

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

123. Thank you. I was just debating whether to post something to that effect.

The profligate and inappropriate use of ellipses is not good writing. They are normally used to show that something has been omitted, either literally or by suggestion. They have their place, maybe when writing dialog in a novel to express hesitation or the leaving of something unsaid, but there's no need to sprinkle them all over everything. "Depending on their context and placement in a sentence, ellipses can indicate an unfinished thought, a leading statement, a slight pause, an echoing voice, or a nervous or awkward silence. Aposiopesis is the use of an ellipsis to trail off into silence—for example: "But I thought he was …" When placed at the beginning or end of a sentence, the ellipsis can also inspire a feeling of melancholy or longing." I don't think any of those expressions were intended in the OP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

[Tipperary]

166. Thank you.

Still shaking my head over this op. Time to trash thread.

[USALiberal]

85. Maybe because it is in the news now. What a rude question. nt

[RhodeIslandOne]

189. Just another "Not THAT woman" screed. n/m

[dchill]

26. Female bosses? They're still bosses.

Same opportunities, same pitfalls. Long live equality!

[betsuni]

27. 'Lady boss': horrid, jealous, crazy, petty, nasty, pathetic, shitty, bullies.

"My Mom said ... Rosemary is jealous of you ... 177 IQ and I was very pretty. ... And there is nothing mean or catty or sexist in telling the truth."

This 58-year-old woman thinks:

[jodymarie aimee]

32. My Mom said this to me AT THE TIME..I was in my 30s

I told her she was wrong..now, in retrospect, more than double that age. I see she had some insight..... thru the years Rosemary continued to berate female employees....4 husbands, etc...

I am happy you never had a boss who made you dread driving to work every day..and sit in your car at lunch and cry...

If you think it is funny to berate employees or DU brothers and sisters, have at it !!! But your laughter says way more about you than it does your victim...

[Demsrule86]

40. Funny, I rarely see male bosses subjected to such ...like wow male bossess are really shitty.

Just the ladies and this is why I hesitate to vote for a woman candidate for president. What chance is there when our own sex holds such views?

[Bradshaw3]

82. Yes it does

There are certain posters on here who act toward fellow DUers like they would trumpsters. People have life experiences that don't fit with the PC lens some have and think everyone else should have, regardless of real life.

I've had mostly bad bosses but the best one was a young female while the two worst were older, one male and one female. I was the only male in the shop with the female boss and all the females hated her.

[Tipperary]

39. Yeah, I am with you on this one.

Holy cow. Smh.

[KitSileya]

28. If absolutely all your female bosses were awful,

the only thing they all had in common were being female, and you. You say "most of [your] female bosses were horrid" - does that mean there were some who weren't? What percentage of your female bosses would you classify as horrid? Any of the male bosses you would also call horrid? Could the factor that made them horrid be you rather than their gender?

I figure your post is about Amy Klobuchar, but it's interesting that another candidate in the race has also been called a horrible boss by their employees, and this candidate has even admitted being a horrible boss.... but you don't see stories about what a horrible boss this candidate is and has been smeared all over the media... I wonder why?

[jodymarie aimee]

33. good on you

for understanding the meaning of MOST !!

[c-rational]

56. My take also was your post was about Amy Klobuchar, however, my wife would second

your feelings about female bosses.

[Dorian Gray]

31. This isn't sexist drivel....

not at all.

[duforsure]

36. Well it was a mixed bag for me,

With male and female bosses, some good , and some bad, but they learned not to bother me because it was so easy to let them make themselves look really really bad , and the good ones it was a pleasure making them look good, and some really , really were very good at anything they did, and were so nice to work with. The liars and BSers mostly were exposed , and the ones who knew their business did well. The worst one was a guy who thought people worked better when they were pissed off. He would intentionally get people against each other then watch. His future ended up not so good and his practices were so bad he was pretty much forced out after he showed he wasn't so good as he liked to pretend he was, and after getting exposed it didn't last long for him.

[Demsrule86]

38. It is hard to see such a post my liberal women. I have had shitty bosses of both sexes.

Seriously, as women we don't have enough to deal without destroying each other? I find this post and most of the responses nauseating.

[raccoon]

168. Thank you. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Yeah - not so much these days

N/T

[get the red out]

45. My two worst bosses

I am 54 and my twos worst bosses were equal opportunity, one man and one woman. I will admit they were horrible in different ways, but personality plays into that, as well as gender expectations.

[PTWB]

55. 177 IQ?

Higher than both Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking! Wow!

I’m sorry about your bosses. FWIW I’ve had a mixed bag. My worst boss was a man. My best two were split, one man and one woman.

I am a little grossed out that your brush is so broad. I will simply say that bosses come in many varieties and it is my experience that female bosses are just as likely to be amazing, and as awful, as male bosses. It’s almosy as if gender isn’t a factor at all! Hmmm.

[Croney]

68. Somehow, when a person actually posts the words "I am very bright,"

my thoughts wander off the intended train of thought.

[JenniferJuniper]

77. Must be a very stable genius with

a very, very, very large brain and all the best words.

You know how that goes.

[smirkymonkey]

127. +1000

Exactly what you said.

[MuseRider]

57. I always had good female bosses.

I really never had but one bad boss and he locked me in the cooler when I would not let him stand behind me and rub me while I worked. I lasted less than one day there. When one of the other employees opened the cooler up I walked out and never returned.

I think I probably had about an equal mixture and all were OK to me and fair I thought.

EDIT to add: I am 65. I worked in food service for a little time, was a zookeeper, group piano teacher, a printer, a secretary, taught music lessons and eventually became a nurse in the ER and then the ICU. Also still playing in the symphony so I have been around and had a lot of bosses. I fail to understand what this is all about. Men and women can either be shitty to people or not. You had bad luck it seems.

[snowybirdie]

58. Generalization

is never valid. All people approach life differently.

[Tetrachloride]

60. Nearly every boss and supervisor was pretty good on average.

I appreciate all that I was able to learn from my bosses. The first ones were mainly below par. Then it got better in college. Nearly ever boss was male.

One female boss in another section of my first company set a high bar and we can hear her yelling over the company radio. The rest of us smiled because that was not our section.

Another female boss had stress from her personal life seep into her work.

In conclusion, not one female boss was unprofessional.

My mother on the other hand. That's a story of nicotine addiction and stress from professionalism and from an unbalanced family.

[mrs_p]

63. Interestingly, almost all my bosses

Up to my current job have been women. Mostly fabulous, strong, usually strict women. My current male boss is actually similar. I guess I’ve been lucky. There are only two bosses - one man and one woman - I’ve hated.

[The Blue Flower]

64. I'm 69 and had the same experience

I always attributed my female managers' awfulness to the fact that the very fact of women in positions of power was new to my generation, so there was some deep insecurity going on. I was also an attractive young woman with a high IQ. They would come to me to ask for guidance and advice, then give me the shaft because I knew their weak areas. I hope the current generation of female managers is more confident within themselves. It was miserable to go to a job every day knowing I was going to be treated badly.

[peggysue2]

179. I think you're right about that

I share the experience of some really bad female bosses and I'm within your age bracket. Women in higher management was something 'new' when I started out and too frequently there was a habit that women in charge had to prove themselves as tough as their male counterparts. Sometimes to the extreme. Also had to do with basic personalities and temperaments. Some people, male or female, are difficult to deal with in any situation.

Don't think there's anything sexist in reporting what the conditions were 'back in the day.' Women struggled in the workplace, particularly those promoted into positions of power. Getting there and staying there was a challenge. Over time, this has worked itself out. Women are more confident, better educated, more accepted but the struggle continues to be perceived as equal.

And yes, it is miserable to show up everyday knowing you're likely to butt heads and feel belittled. It was worse for my mother's generation--women who needed to work despite wretched conditions--but then better for our daughters.

We're getting there!

[womanofthehills]

184. I was the most beautiful of all the women..... and my IQ ...higher than all of you............

............and had ME TOO moments... with all 4 male supervisors..... Decided to become self-employed. Love to all the women bosses. I was an awesome one.

[JenniferJuniper]

66. This thread makes me want to leave DU

What if it read "Most of my black bosses were horrid"? "

It's sexist bullshit based on personal anecdotal experience. Fucking misogynists.

https://www.inc.com/michael-schneider/40-years-of-research-proves-women-are-better-managers-than-men-because-they-tend.html

You all suck.

[Croney]

70. Good article.

"Forty years of research proves women are better managers than men..."

My view... A manager is usually either a man or a woman, with a 50% chance of being seen as a "good" manager, just like a gay or straight manager can be good or bad. No need to add gender, race, or orientation to the criteria for labeling a manager good or bad.

[Tipperary]

71. Exactly.

It is amazing to me that this op is allowed to stand.

[JenniferJuniper]

73. This kind of thinking is why we have a despot in the WH

Too many people couldn't deal with a woman being POTUS

[Tipperary]

74. No kidding. Even a woman with an "IQ of 177" apparently is not in favor of breaking that ceiling.

Astounding.

[JenniferJuniper]

75. The "1" in front of the number

an errant typo, but regardless, all of the others wholeheartedly agreeing with her are sickening.

I've seen too much of this here recently, and it's all been allowed to stand.

I think it's time for me to leave.

[Tipperary]

169. Lol, I just got what you said, but then my IQ is not 177.

God, please stay. But, I sure hear ya.

[Demsrule86]

96. I AGREE

[at140]

108. another anecdotal experience from my wife age 64

She has worked in medical office billing, reception, management all her life.
SHe has worked for a large heart specialist practice in Chicago suburbs,
3 doctors practice in CA, a large family medicine practice in WA state, 3 Chiropractor practice in WA.
She has nothing good to say about her female bosses except ONE!
Most were rude, bossy, incompetent, practiced favoritism, and petty.

On the other hand all female doctors she worked with were praise-worthy.
Male doctors were even better.

[Blanks]

67. My first company commander was a woman...

When I got out of basic training and arrived at my first assignment in the army. A maintenance company in a maintenance battalion in Germany.

She was ok, not the worst. At least as good at that as the men who came along to the same position after she moved on.

There weren’t a lot of female role models in leadership in that kind of position at the time. I think she was scrutinized more by subordinates (probably superiors too) than the men who held that position.

That was in 1980. Women have held more leadership positions since then than they did before then. Some are good leaders, some are bad leaders, just like men. We’re all humans and a product of our upbringing and environment.

[GreenEyedLefty]

69. Thank you. I left a job in December after 90 days...

... because my boss was a fucking despot. Who happened to be a woman. The office was an open concept with conference rooms for private conversations. She pulled me into conference rooms to berate, belittle and bully me on a regular. She was so bizarre. When I caught myself rationalizing her behavior I knew I was done there.

The last berating session was on a Friday, I resigned the following Monday morning and was allowed to walk out the door that morning. I have no job right now and it's fine. I'm extremely fortunate to not need one desperately although I need to line up something soon.

Most of my bosses have been women. Some were great. The one above, hands down the worst.

[brooklynite]

72. When your complaint is about how the story was released...

If TMZ could find out about this, so could any campaign's oppo unit.

[Tipperary]

76. So are you in favor of a woman president?

Or do you think they would be jealous of “pretty women with high IQs?” Curious.

[Heddi]

78. 177 IQ, eh?

You know those internet IQ tests aren't reliable, right?

[underpants]

80. I currently have a male boss for the first time since 2007

Only my second male boss since 1998.

I'm a male. I've had great female bosses over the years and not seen any of the things you describe. Okay I did have two female bosses at a truly bizarre workplace for 4 years. The first two years were mostly good but then the whole place to a wild crazy turn. And this was a charity.

[crazycatlady]

81. My worst boss was male

Actually my worst two.

Boss #1 (worst by far). Yelled at everyone like a drill sergeant. ALso expected of me to be his personal chauffeur in and out of a city I'm not comfortable driving in. I compromised by going (20 minutes) out of the way to drop him off at a train station. The worst incident was when I (for once) did something right in his eyes. He patted me on the head and said 'good girl.' He then yelled at me when I asked him if he would like me to play fetch and roll over.

Boss #2-- Didn't properly onboard me (yelled at me for things like procedural issues that should have been covered in training, which I did not have). Very micromanaging. He transferred me to another office because my counterpart there was getting ready to go up the chain about a problem with him. He was in a (romantic) relationship with one of my underlings there (the reason the other guy was transferred) and it made it an awkward as fuck situation.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

86. What constitutes "horrible" might be in the eye of the beholder to some extent,

and yes, women are held to a different standard as bosses. We're held to different standards for everything. But some boss behavior is always horrible. Throwing things, yelling, demeaning an employee in front of other employees, making you dread coming to work, are all horrible, no matter whether done by a man or a woman.

Of course this is about the accusations that Amy Klobuchar was one of those horrible bosses. She has been defended on the ground that the same behavior that would be described as tough and demanding by a male boss is considered unacceptably awful by a female boss, and that the accusations are either sexist or a right-wing attempt at ratf*cking, or both. But female bosses can be objectively horrible. Whether Klobuchar is (or was) one such boss is a fair question and one that's been haunting her since before she was elected to the Senate. I will withhold judgment, however, until somebody has enough guts to attach their names to their complaints.

[JenniferJuniper]

93. "To some extent"?

No, it's generally in the eye of the beholder. And is very frequently tied to the performance of of the employee.

I've been a "female manager" for 30 years. I've had many 360 reviews, many skip level meetings involving my superiors meeting with my direct staff to discuss my performance as a manager (twice a year now), and everyone that leaves get a an exit interview with HR. There are many eyes on first level managers in my profession.

Invariably the good/middle level performers rank me as excellent, supporter mentor and if they leave it's usually for a better opportunity elsewhere, one that I helped prepare them for. But there are employees who don't like me one bit. Invariably, they are people that simply wouldn't or couldn't do the type of work that is required. It's not easy work and lots of people aren't cut out for it or aren't interested in putting sufficient effort in. And then there are those who disappear for hours every day, or come back from lunch intoxicated, or are abusive to fellow employees (and sometimes me).

I don't fire people very often, but there are often discussions along the lines of "maybe this line of work isn't for you", often with me providing whatever career counseling and alternatives that I can. But relatively few of these employees ever see the problem as being them. It has to be someone else. Usually the manager.

I've had bad bosses too. Who hasn't? But when you make statements like "But female bosses can be objectively horrible", you are perpetuating the myth that women are worse managers than men, simply because they are female. And that is sexist bullshit.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

95. Why is it sexist to suggest that a female boss can be horrible? Male bosses can be horrible;

why can't women? I've had a few really horrible male bosses. (I've never had a truly horrible female boss, though I've had a couple I didn't care much for.) If a female boss throws things and screams at her employees is that OK? IMO it's not OK, just as it wouldn't be OK if a man did it. Female bosses can be horrible as that quality is objectively observed. That's because they're human beings, all of whom, regardless of gender, are capable of bad behavior. Don't you think it's sexist to suggest that no woman can ever be an objectively bad boss?

[JenniferJuniper]

101. This was your sentence:

"But female bosses can be objectively horrible."

Whether you recognize it as such or not, that's a misogynist statement.

"But African American bosses can be objectively horrible."

Would you consider that statement racist? Same thing.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

103. Again, how is that sexist?

A boss who throws things and screams at or demeans an employee is an objectively horrible boss, regardless of that person's gender, race, or any other characteristic. Any human being can be an objectively horrible boss. Human beings include women. QED. That female bosses can be objectively horrible is a statement of fact. If I had said female bosses are objectively horrible, that would have been sexist, as well as false. See the difference?

[JenniferJuniper]

107. Not what you said.

You specified female bosses.

But if we're talking about people screaming throwing things, I've only seen male managers do that. But that's anecdotal and therefore meaningless, so I'd never say male bosses as a group are worse. Just me, though.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

116. If I had said female bosses *are* objectively horrible, that would have been sexist and false.

But I didn't say that. I said they can be, which is neither false nor sexist. But I'm done arguing since you can't seem to figure out the difference.

[JenniferJuniper]

120. ""But female bosses can be objectively horrible."

"But African American bosses can be objectively horrible."

Do you see how offensive this is? Do you not see it's the same thing?

Saying "All bosses can be objectively horrible" would be a non-sexist statement. Your sentence was sexist.

The problem with misogyny is that it is so ingrained in our culture that even well-meaning progressive people can't see that they themselves are part of the problem.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

125. One more try and then I'm giving up.

Is it your position that a female boss can never be a bad boss?

[JenniferJuniper]

130. Give up. That's not what you said.

You can't see your own bias, I'm afraid.

[Croney]

126. +1

[cwydro]

87. WOW! You have an IQ of 177?

That’s cool!

[Heddi]

91. Even neater

when the highest possible IQ score is 162!!! that makes it SUPER DUPER EXTRA neat!

[jodymarie aimee]

97. my youngest sibling is near 200

don't know where you get your stats from...I was born in 1951 not 2019...tests may differ now...here you go doll..

Ainan Celeste Cawley (IQ score: 263)
William James Sidis (IQ score: 250-300)
Terence Tao (IQ score: 225-230)
Marilyn Vos Savant (IQ score: 228)
Christopher Hirata (IQ score: 225)
Kim Ung-Yong (IQ score: 210)
Edith Stern (IQ score: 200+)
Christopher Michael Langan (IQ score: 190 – 210)
Garry Kasparov (IQ score: 194)
Philip Emeagwali (IQ score: 190)
Judit Polgar (IQ score: 170)
Albert Einstein (IQ score: 160 – 190)
Stephen Hawking (IQ score: 160)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

111. Interesting, but not especially meaningful.

And sometimes these IQ numbers were extrapolated and, shall we say, stretched a bit. For example, wrt Marilyn Vos Savant: "Miss Savant was given an old version of the Stanford-Binet (Terman & Merrill 1937), which did, indeed, use the antiquated formula of MA/CA × 100. But in the test manual’s norms, the Binet does not permit IQs to rise above 170 at any age. So, the psychologist who came up with an IQ of 228 committed an extrapolation of a misconception, thereby violating almost every rule imaginable concerning the meaning of IQs." https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/who-are-some-of-the-people-with-the-highest-iq.html

It's also interesting that with the exceptions of Einstein, Hawking and Kasparov, these people have managed to remain obscure, known only for their high IQ scores.

[jodymarie aimee]

118. I was just responding to a nameless faceless person on here doubting my IQ

that's all...I also have a photographic memory, as does my brother..I can look at a page in a book and know what is on it without reading....this came in handy in school..when I was young, I thought everyone was like that...I can take NO CREDIT for my IQ anymore that I can take credit for green eyes...DNA...

I ONLY mentioned intelligence regarding spiteful bosses...as jealousies can arise from that boss for many reasons...

[muriel_volestrangler]

152. An IQ of 177 would make you 1 in 3.5 million people

So, about the 90th most intelligent person in the USA.

IQ is defined as a bell curve around the central figure of 100, with one standard deviation being 15.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification

So 175 would be five standard deviations above the average; which is 1 in 3.5 million.

As the Wikipedia entry shows, no-one normally talks about IQ levels that high, because trying to measure them in any meaningful way is extremely hard. But it would certainly take very specialised tests, and the subject would clearly be outstanding in their chosen field. And unlikely to have a succession of jobs with bosses that can keep them down.

[Tipperary]

209. So with that level of intelligence - why so many bosses? Why were you not the boss?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[MrsCoffee]

221. You forgot to add in the photographic memory.

Just sayin....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

113. Especially since the Stanford-Binet test tops out at 170.

[forklift]

193. Really really cool

[HockeyMom]

89. I am 70

Some female bosses I had were good, and some were bad. I would say the same for male bosses. We are all individuals.

I had a friend back in the 60's who owned a dress store. She designed and sewed all the dresses. I made a lot of my own dresses then, and did so on the side for others. She asked me if I would work her in store because she wanted to open another store with a different line of products, and did not have the time for the dress store full time. I agree to on a part time basis.

Probably not a typical employer/employee situation. Friends first? Plus, I was not paid a set salary. I got a percentage of all the sales the store sold. After all, the majority of the dress were my designs and my dressmaking skills. More of a partnership? She was the best female boss I ever had.

[Heddi]

90. STEPHEN HAWKING IQ: PHYSICIST CALLED PEOPLE WHO BOAST ABOUT SCORE 'LOSERS'

https://www.newsweek.com/what-stephen-hawkings-iq-score-late-physicist-called-people-who-care-losers-843895

Stephen Hawking, seen by many as the world's smartest person, never revealed his IQ score. It’s not even known if he took an IQ test.
..
When asked in a 2004 interview with The New York Times what his IQ is, Hawking gave a curt reply: “I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers.”

------
Boy, 11, gets higher IQ test score than Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking's estimated marks

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boy-iq-test-score-albert-einstein-stephen-hawking-11-year-old-arnav-sharma-a7814946.html

The so-called genius benchmark is set at 140 and Arnav Sharma gained a score of 162 - the maximum possible result you can achieve on the paper.

----

So our own DU'er has an IQ score HIGHER THAN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE IQ SCORE!!! OMG!!!

[Oneironaut]

112. They had to increase the score ceiling because of Trump.

[Hekate]

225. Actually, there are several different IQ tests, with different "highest" scores...

I find percentiles more useful, but either way, you can get a pretty good feeling for what is low, average, and high.

They don't by any means correlate with achievements IRL, as so much there depends on social skills, which not everyone is gifted with.

[Hortensis]

92. I'm surprised that most have been awful. I haven't had

a lot of female superiors, but I'd say they ranged from very good to middlin' to bad. I think the one way in which a couple were "worse" than men were in developing cliquish relationships with women employees.

But the men had their own problems. In early years a benignly insulting behavior required of all lower level female employees was the norm. I never took to the cute, head-tilted apologetic aspect expected when making even the most reasonable request.

I was also never hit up by a female boss, refused training or advancement to a position I'd earned, or expected to accept low-pay assignments because I was the female. All occurred while working for men. Twice I was forced to advance by lateral moves to other companies because men would only hire men for the positions I wanted.

[nini]

99. This is such a strange post - I'm not sure what to take from it

Should women not be bosses then? Are we not judging women the same we do men? Should bosses only be men?

?????

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

106. I think the only thing we can take from it is that the OP had bad experiences

with female bosses, for reasons that are not clear. But anecdotes aren't data. There are bad bosses everywhere, some male, some female. Clearly it's intended as a comment relating to reports that Sen. Klobuchar was or is a difficult boss. The OP had some difficult female bosses. I don't know whether that's intended to try to prove that Klobuchar was a bad boss or just that it's possible for a woman to be a bad boss. Beyond that, it's just anecdotes FWIW.

[JenniferJuniper]

110. I'm taking from it that too many DU'ers are sexist

and misogynistic and they can't even see how offensive their comments are.

[obamanut2012]

211. +1

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

102. Anecdotes aren't data.

I would guess that most people will have maybe a dozen or so direct supervisors during their working lives - maybe more if you changed jobs a lot; maybe less. Chances are that if you are old like me, more of them will have been men - just because until relatively recently it was more difficult for women to get to be bosses. Most of my bosses were men, not only because I'm old but also because most of my jobs were in male-dominated industries. A few of those men were terrible bosses, a few were great, and most were so-so. I also had a few female bosses. None were as spectacularly awful as the worst male boss, one was excellent, and the other two were neither good nor bad. On the basis of my personal experiences I can't offer a conclusion about the relative awfulness of male vs. female bosses. I do know that humans of both genders are capable of treating others very badly.

[janterry]

104. It might just have been the times, bad luck

or niche career choices .

I suppose one way to think about it - is that some of these women were trailblazers and developed skills that were less people oriented - and more about how to break through the mini-glass ceilings that were ALL over the place during your work life.

For some women, being tougher - and demanding more - was one way to break through.

Another hypothesis is that women didn't always have a way to model being in power. I know as a kid, even games where one person was the leader - well, they weren't as accessible for young girls. So, until more recently, we hadn't - as a sex - had the same opportunities to develop 'boss' skills.

Or you could have just had poor luck. That happens.

Or some combination of all three (or two) or some of this and lots of other things I have no idea about.

I had two horrible bosses who were women, and a few that were okay. Also some men that were terrible (OMG) and a few that were.....just okay. But I keep in mind that my observations were skewed by the places I have worked (psych. hospitals, prisons, juvenile detention). I never worked in really progressive, thoughtful places. Most of my jobs have included some element of danger - and some were really abusive. If you work in those kinds of facilities, it's likely that it will attract marginal workers and....yelp! some will 'rise' and........supervise me.

[athena]

117. This post is a beautiful demonstration of why Trump is president today.

Women can be just as sexist as men.

[lunamagica]

131. You are so right!

[Baitball Blogger]

119. Thank you for telling the truth.

Trying to make it through the day in an office setting during the eighties was a trial with women bosses so insecure about themselves, that they had to tear us all down. That was how they asserted their authority.

And then later, in the community when I tried to traverse the political landmines in a community that worked in secrecy, it was the Good ole Gals that provided the most challenge.

Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy.

[JenniferJuniper]

124. What truth exactly?

That women shouldn't be in management positions because they all tear other women down?

Do you have any objective evidence that this is true or have you turned your own personal problem into a universal truth? It's bullshit either way. And full-on misogyny.

[Baitball Blogger]

134. I never said that women should not be in management positions. That is your wrongful interpretation

Just that it's a fantasy to think that they are going to be easy mentors to anyone.

Just like everybody else, women in leadership positions have their own agenda. Why should you expect otherwise? And our experiences should be accepted and respected, instead of being beaten into submission. Why, that's what men would do.

[JenniferJuniper]

136. This is one of the most sexist posts in

this horrible thread. Well done.

[Baitball Blogger]

137. Our experiences are different. That's all.

I am never going to close my mind and eyes to abusive situations. It's just not who I am. It's also why I'm never going to be a joiner to any organization that requires complete allegiance.

[JenniferJuniper]

140. That's a cop-out excuse

You are using your limited world experience to form universal truths about half the world's population.

[Baitball Blogger]

143. Omigod.

I am willing to bet that if you faced an abusive situation, it would define you, as it defines us all.

What is happening here is that you think I apply my experiences as a "universal truth." That is your blindspot. What I am saying is that we should not glorify all women bosses, just because they are women. Back in the seventy and eighties we thought that putting women in management positions would suddenly be the break in the dam that would release all of us. It wasn't. That is a reality. We all still had to fight our own battles and be aware that sometimes we would find the most sympathy from our male bosses. Sometimes it happens that way.

Regardless of my experiences, it is common sense that one would be foolish to walk into a work environment without giving everyone, male or female, the benefit of the doubt.

[MrsCoffee]

190. Uh... You didn't say we shouldn't glorify them you vilified them.

"Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy"

[Baitball Blogger]

194. And you glorified them.

It is a terrible thing to send our daughters into the world expecting to find nothing but kinship with women who hold positions of authority over them. It doesn't happen that way for everyone. In my case, the day the woman manager was fired there was a shout of joy that resounded around the room. It was a room that consisted of over fifty women. She was racist and manipulative.

[MrsCoffee]

196. I did no such thing.

But nice try.

Guess what, I've had many women bosses that were the total opposite, kind and caring and smart and organized, but I didn't come in here and say that all women would make great bosses like you claim no women are going to be your allies. That is full fledged vilification.

If you can't see the difference or find a way to look at the bigger picture, that is on you, not all women.

[Baitball Blogger]

206. My apologies. I was following the thread of conversation, and not the poster.

I think I made my position clear: "Certainly, we should walk into new jobs with an open mind and hope for the best. But if someone has a woman manager who is quite the opposite of a mentor, they have my sympathy."

That is practical and realistic.

[demmiblue]

142. "Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy."

That is some fucked up shit.

[Baitball Blogger]

144. It's my experiences.

I wish it were otherwise.

[demmiblue]

147. Most humans can see beyond their personal experiences in order to understand the broader picture.

It's not like you live in a bubble. Like I said, fucked up.

[Baitball Blogger]

149. I don't think you would apply that as a "universal truth", would you?

What abusive situations do you expect us to "get over." Just the ones that you can't relate to?

And, in case you weren't following, just because I can sympathize with other women who feel they have been wronged by women in management positions doesn't mean I wouldn't support women for higher office. The two are unrelated in my book.

[demmiblue]

150. "Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy."

[Baitball Blogger]

151. Let's get specific.

The topic is women in management positions. You seem to see it all one way. And I'm here to say that the expectation that female managers are going to turn into kindred spirits just because they're women, is a fantasy. Certainly, we should walk into new jobs with an open mind and hope for the best. But if someone has a woman manager who is quite the opposite of a mentor, they have my sympathy.

[IluvPitties]

128. All my bosses have been women. Great people.

I'm a guy, by the way.

[lunamagica]

132. So, you don't think a woman should be POTUS?

[lunamagica]

133. They were jelous of your 177 IQ? How did they know about it??

[jodymarie aimee]

135. I said that MAY have been a reason

because I was smarter than them...I knew how to spell jealous !! No, we did not compare #s....this is getting a little foolish, is it not? Move on...you don't like my post...that is fine...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

145. An IQ of 177 and you say you're "smarter than *them*"?

Correct grammar is "smarter than they." I know, picky, picky, but geniuses are going to be held to higher standards. And who brags about his or her IQ? Even Stephen Hawking didn't do that. There's an old saying to the effect that if you've really got it you don't have to brag about it.

[lunamagica]

162. But my question was, how did they know what you IQ was?

[obamanut2012]

174. "I will bet you are a WOMAN"

This OP and thread are performance art, right? It has to be. If it isn't.... oh boy.

[Phentex]

207. I, too, wondered how many people get tested...

and know this. It seems to get thrown around on the internet a lot.

And then the next question is why they feel the need to tell people. It's sorta Trumpian to have to TELL people you are smart.

[lunamagica]

213. It's totally trumpian. Also James Woods and Sharon Stone love to brag about their high IQs, but what

have they accomplished with them?

OTOH, you have people like Heidi Lamarr. I don't think anyone knows her IQ, and she never mentioned it. But we know she was brilliant, with a genius-level mind. Her legacy speaks for itself.

[obamanut2012]

172. hahhahahahhahahaha

[brush]

139. FWIW, I'm male and have had good and bad women bosses.

Don't know if that adds anything to the conversation from a woman's perspective.

[jodymarie aimee]

148. brush, I got a strong feeling that most

the commenters here who despise my post are women...I just find that so sad...we were taught to judge folks by their words and deeds, not their gender...I opened up my work history to DU and got smacked down by WOMEN for being honest...as if I am a traitor to my vagina. And a traitor to DEM candidates. Kind of nuts...

[MrsCoffee]

178. Just wow.

Its hard not to connect the OP to the news about Klobuchar. It was highly anectodal and appeared to be intended to lend some credence to her accusers. If it wasn’t, then I am completely and utterly clueless as to why you posted this out of the blue.

There are shitty bosses of all genders and colors. Can you imagine coming in and complaining about all of your black or latino bosses with a rash of ridiculous stereotypical insults?

Why would you expect women to shower you with rose petals for this OP?

[Hekate]

224. Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

[MicaelS]

141. I'm a man and I worked 19 years at my last company.

I had 5 female bosses over those years. All five were great to me, and taught me a lot. But the last one was hated by almost every woman that worked under her. This was due to the fact that she was very strict and would not tolerate any nonsense.

We had up to 200 people working there, and there was more trouble with non-supervisory women being hateful toward one another, than any problem of men vs. women.

[happybird]

146. A mixed bag of bad bosses

My worst boss was a man and a fucking pig. He kept propositioning me and making lewd comments. His wife worked in the shop and his kids helped out on the weekends. It was horrifying. I was in my early 20's and hadn't yet learned to stand up for myself. I did the "mannerly" thing I had been taught and simply laughed and moved far away from him or changed subjects. Sigh. When I quit, the female manager's face fell and she said, "Oh, shit. Has Bruce been saying stuff to you?" Apparently they couldn't keep anyone in that position and he would only hire young women for it.

The manager was a tough biker chick in her 40's, so the pig left her alone. She offered to talk to him and tell him to cut it out, but I just wanted to cut my losses and get the heck out of there.

At least it was a life lesson. I never let anyone get away with that kind of bs again.

I've had one awesome female boss and two horrible ones. One was promoted while I worked there. She was fine before the promotion. I think she wanted to be great in her new position, to prove herself to her superiors, to be seen as super confident and commanding. To be viewed "as competent and boss-like as any man could be." Unfortunately, she thought the way to do that was to be a total, raging bitch. She also tried to get employees to gossip about each other and backstab. Ugh.

The second one just wasn't boss material. The alcoholism was probably why. Sooo much drama.

I've had several bad male bosses. I think it's usually one of three things: either they hate their job and will make everyone else as miserable as they are, or they are an example of the Peter Principle, or they are just a shite human being.
Some are a combo, or even all three. Yay.

[still_one]

155. anecdotal evidence is meaningless. I have had a varied career of over 30 years from Chemist in the

wine industry, clinical chemist in the medical field, to software engineer, and in my experience my managers, whether male or female, some were good and some weren't as good, and it had NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER.

Making sterotypical conclusions based on anecdotal evidence that female mangers have a tendency to be "petty" while male mangers do not, is bullshit, and to boot, it is perpetuating the sexist myth.

I don't care whether that assertion comes from a male or female, it is still a sexist statement. It is the kind of garbage that was perpetuated by some against Hillary in 2016

enough is enough already. THIS IS 2019.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

157. Now I'm reminiscing about some 40 years of bosses, bad and good.

Most of my bosses were men, partly because of the times and partly because I mostly worked in male-dominated industries. I had some really bad bosses and some really good ones. The first terrible boss was a guy who promised me a week of vacation when I was hired as a clerical worker, then after I took the time off he told me it wouldn't be paid vacation. When I complained he said my inability to pay my rent wasn't his problem. I made it his problem by threatening to go to small claims court, so he paid me - and then I quit. Another was a sexist creep who made a frequent point of saying the grossest things he could think of to female employees, just to see if he could get a reaction. One of the best bosses I ever had was a judge; he was kind, funny and encouraging. Another male boss served as a mentor for many years.

After switching to another career I had a female boss who was very kind and helpful, followed by another one who was nice enough but wasn't a very effective manager because she was disorganized. After switching jobs again I got a male boss who wasn't a bad guy but he was a terrible manager. He'd give you instructions to do something, then claim he didn't mean for you to do that thing but that you should have done this other thing that he meant for you to do but didn't tell you about. He did that all the time and drove people nuts. After a department reorganization that resulted in his not being the manager anymore, he was much nicer and easier to deal with. He was followed by a female manager whom I liked and found easy to work with. Then there was a merger, and the acquiring company sent their people to take over our department and they were mostly assholes. Our new boss wouldn't have anything to do with people who weren't in management, to the point where he wouldn't even sit at the same cafeteria table with us peons - even though our old management wasn't heirarchical at all and everybody hobnobbed with everybody else. He even told other managers that they shouldn't be associating at all with non-management employees. He was a major douche - snappish, rude, and condescending. And then I retired. No more bosses.

There are so many bad boss stories out there that I've come to the conclusion that good ones are hard to find, and that the fact that you're good at the technical thing that your employer does, doesn't mean you're going to be good at managing other people to do that thing. I was considered for a management position with my last employer (before the merger) but I withdrew from consideration after realizing I'd probably suck at it.

[Duppers]

158. My mother was one of those southern...

snide, snotty, misogynistic women who was jealous of any woman prettier than she was including her own daughter. Thanks goodness her only female employee was a much older 2nd cousin.

I often heard her say of a woman "who didn't know her place," "who does she think she is?" And "that's not a job a woman should have," etc. She and I bumped heads at every turn.

[jcgoldie]

160. "Nothing sexist?"

I'm pretty sure initiating this thread about how terrible and petty all of your female bosses were and juxtaposing that with "my men bosses were all about the work" is the definition of sexism.

[jodymarie aimee]

164. then you would be wrong

I judge a person by words and deeds, not their gender....and p.s. I don't vote with my vagina.

[Tipperary]

167. No, I guess you vote with your "IQ of 177." Right?

[obamanut2012]

170. "I don't vote with my vagina."

And there we have it folks, as if the OP wasn't proof enough.

[ehrnst]

176. Are you saying you are "gender blind?" (nt)

[irisblue]

180. Jody why are you using that phrase?

". so you are saying you DO vote with your vagina

and will mock those that don't..you seem smart"

[obamanut2012]

192. HAHAHAHHA I was wondering what Post Removed

Said to me.

OH BOY!

FFR.

[irisblue]

197. I freaking hate that phrase. 👹👹👹👹👹

[obamanut2012]

212. Same!

[NurseJackie]

204. Goodbye.

[lapucelle]

222. I'd offer people donuts, but she took the box when she left.

[NurseJackie]

223. A small price.

[obamanut2012]

171. +1

[TexasBushwhacker]

173. I bet your very pretty, 177 IQ self was just a dream to work with

[Mosby]

177. I have had some really good female bosses.

And a couple lousy ones.

Kinda like my male bosses.

[demmiblue]

183. FFR177. n/t

[seaglass]

187. Well deserved! n/t

[obamanut2012]

191. FINALLY

[Tipperary]

210. Oh dear. Lol.

Fascinating thread.

[RhodeIslandOne]

188. My current boss is a woman

She's wonderful. Pays for office parties out of own pocket, bends over backwards to cover for you when you need a day off.

My one female superior who was awful made judgements about people after short meetings.

[LiberalFighter]

195. I don't think I have had any really shitty bosses. Male or female.

As a kid had a husband and wife in a restaurant. Both about the same.
In high school and college did the cafeteria bit. Nothing to remember.
During summer in college did work for several summers prepping for 4-H Fair. Good job.

The rest of the time I had many foremens, mostly men while working in a factory. Had one tiff with a female foreman but we got over it. Otherwise, we all did our job. Had other minor tiffs with male foremens. But again got over it. I did have two foremens at the same time in job because I had two areas that I covered. I took advantage of it when needed. If I couldn't get something that was needed from one foreman then I got it from the other foreman.

Work environment probably different when it involves office work.

[MrsCoffee]

198. Well at least no one asked if they should wear a swim suit.

What a thread.

[still_one]

202. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[NewJeffCT]

200. I'm in my 50s

and I've had good and bad bosses of both sexes.

I'd say the best boss I've had was a guy and the worst also (he started off as a big time micro-manager, then somebody must have mentioned it to him because he suddenly became almost a ghost - you'd never see the guy except if it was a last minute crisis)

I'd say in my current company that I've been with for 4 years I've had 3 bosses - 2 women that were good (one very good) and one guy that was so-so. The very good boss wasn't my boss long enough to be rated my best boss ever (she's deservedly very well liked in the company and was quickly promoted over to another department - very smart, but also personable and funny)

I'd say that in general, I've had more good bosses that were women than men, or at least a higher percentage of good bosses.

The best action I've ever had a boss do was from a woman that was my boss about 25 years ago. I was in a large company that was struggling financially at the time and the woman that was my boss at the time said I had done a great job the past year (I was almost expecting to be laid off because of the company struggles) and that I really deserved a raise, but she could not give me one. However, since she had been with the company for a long time and had accumulated a lot of vacation time, she had gotten approval from senior management to donate a week of her vacation time to me. I thought that was really cool giving a young person with potential an extra week of vacation time.

[CrispyQ]

203. 61 year old woman here & I have always preferred to work with & for women.

Oh look. An advocate for women one might not have expected.

'Shark Tank' investor Kevin O'Leary has a theory about why companies run by women make him the most money

https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-oleary-shark-tank-women-run-companies-2017-7

O'Leary is adamant that he's not out to start "gender warfare" — "I would give money to a goat if I get a good return," he's said repeatedly — but his conclusion is, he told the audience at GrowCo, "the outcomes have been very, very good on these women-run businesses because they know what they're doing with time, and goal-setting, and these things matter in micro-communities where culture is a big deal."

[lillypaddle]

214. Most "bosses," i.e., managers

are really terrible at managing people. BOTH men and women managers. To pin this label primarily on women is stereotyping at its worst.

I'm 71 and retired, but I was in management for 40 years. This included real estate agencies, accounting firms, and a family planning agency where I served as executive director for a number of years. I certainly didn't suffer fools well, but I guarantee you that a female employee's being attractive had nothing to do with how she was treated.

Your experience is yours, but substitute the word "female" with "black" and see what YOU think about how your OP reads.

Cool story, though.

[obamanut2012]

217. Most of my black bosses were horrid

Black person here..long and varied work history. I have been an optician, Manager of a health spa, USDA, Corp Ins Offices, beautician, nurse in ICU..I even interviewed at a massage parlour...worked ONE day there...I have done it all !!

Most of my black bosses were horrid...jealous, all manner of crazy..used to make fun of me for exercising in the 1970s..exercising....at the USDA the other black people mocked my ONE brilliant black boss a Chicago attny, because he wore white pants...my white bosses were all about the work...no pettiness...

I also had another black boss and every morning on the way to work I would pray "Lord please don't let Rosemary be nasty to me today" how pathetic was that...I finally walked out one day..no notice no nothing...My Mom said Jody, Rosemary is jealous of other black people...I waved that off...but now that I am older, I WAS the same age, 177 IQ and I was very pretty...so maybe Mom had something...I am a testament that black bosses can be really shitty to other black people, regardless of the caliber/quality of your work performance. Again, I am 67. My history may differ from a 19 year old or a 40 year old.

And there is nothing mean or catty or racist in telling this truth....if you think one of your black bosses is a bully, you might want to warn others...not with TMZ, but a reputable publication.

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HOW THE HELL IS WHAT I CHANGED WOMEN TO ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OP??? why is this OP allowed to stand???

[Eliot Rosewater]

219. Amazing isnt it.

Why dont we just fucking HAND the election over to the GOP now and not waste all this fucking energy if we are

GOING

TO DO

THEIR WORK

FOR THEM

FOR THEM

FOR THEM

[obamanut2012]

220. It makes my head spin, man!

[Pachamama]

227. I have had both Male and Female bosses - both bad and good bosses....Whether they were good or bad

....had nothing to do with their gender....the bad ones were just assholes and shitty bosses...

[liberalmuse]

228. What the fresh hell is this?

And why is this sexist bullshit on DU?

[Tipperary]

229. "Long and varied work history." Not what most employers consider a good work record.

So a string of mostly entry-level type work. With an IQ of 177, you were unable to score a scholarship to a top school? Unable to find work that did not involve you always having to be at the mercy of “horrible” bosses?

How curious.