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still_one

(92,216 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:47 AM Feb 2019

A 'Green Book' Best Picture Win Proves Hollywood's Still A Sucker For White Saviors

"Capping off a year that boasted movies as progressive as “Black Panther,” “The Favourite” and “BlacKkKlansman,” the Oscars took us back in time on Sunday, giving Best Picture to something straight out of 1989.
“Reverse Driving Miss Daisy” ― you know it as “Green Book” ― nabbed the top prize, and with it the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences sent a clear message about how Hollywood sees race in 2019. The film tells the story of real-life black jazz pianist Don Shirley (Mahershala Ali) through the lens of the racist white chauffeur (Viggo Mortensen) in his employ, treating the latter as a hero because he overcomes his bigotry. It’s a clichéd, insulting conceit that dupes audiences into feeling good when the white character extends mild graciousness.
A “Green Book” win is proof positive that popular culture has only improved so much on matters of race since “Crash” won Best Picture in 2006.
The category’s preferential balloting system ensures the trophy goes to a movie that hits a consensus spot among voters. The winner therefore stands in as a median representation of the academy’s taste, providing a snapshot of how Hollywood views itself. This year, it turns out people were most comfortable handing the industry’s highest honor to a movie that places its black character in the backseat, literally and figuratively. "

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"The win also tells us just how little the academy pays attention to the discourse surrounding the titles in contention. Shirley’s family called “Green Book” a “symphony of lies,” saying it greatly embellished the central friendship and challenging its assumption that Shirley was disconnected from the black community. Ali, who won Best Supporting Actor on Sunday, apologized to Shirley’s relatives in response. Factual integrity isn’t paramount in a fiction film, but in this case the script distorts a black man’s biography to benefit its white lead. Voters didn’t seem to care about that flap, nor did they mind that Mortensen used the N-word at a post-screening Q&A while trying to make a point about how such slurs are no longer acceptable. By the time director Peter Farrelly was apologizing for having exposed his penis on sets when he was younger, everyone had already made up their minds about the movie. "



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/best-picture-green-book-oscars_n_5c736ca7e4b03cfdaa571b71

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A 'Green Book' Best Picture Win Proves Hollywood's Still A Sucker For White Saviors (Original Post) still_one Feb 2019 OP
Yup. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #1
Yep. It's "Driving Miss Daisy" all over again. catbyte Feb 2019 #2
Yeah the acceptance speech was cringeworthy too underpants Feb 2019 #3
The other black person was Octavia Spenser who was one of the producers dsc Feb 2019 #8
Thank you underpants Feb 2019 #11
She... Deuce Feb 2019 #15
Always something to gripe about BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #4
How, exactly, was it better than Driving Miss Daisy? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #29
"Opinions may vary of course." BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #32
So disappointed socdem60 Feb 2019 #5
Could not agree more. Zoonart Feb 2019 #6
I felt the same way about Get Out previously HootieMcBoob Feb 2019 #7
SO true. Zoonart Feb 2019 #10
I completely agree. Dave Starsky Feb 2019 #61
True about Get Out. But I don't see BlacKKKlansman worthy of study in film courses. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #69
Either that one dsc Feb 2019 #9
I've tried watching Roma 3 times JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #54
I agree Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #75
At the very least Spike Lee should have been chosen as Best Director TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #18
I love Spike Lee. A LOT. But Roma was directing genius. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #30
Disagree ananda Feb 2019 #12
"The black guy literally helped him become human again." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #13
I agree. Not my favorite ... black klansman my favorite MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #66
It's an unpopular opinion but I agree. Doremus Feb 2019 #77
A good approach to bridging the gap between races would be to Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #14
"It is not helpful to put every single racial interaction under a microscope." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #16
The fact that they didn't bother to consult Shirley's family AT ALL TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #22
It's heartbreaking all the way around. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #31
Yes the Dr. Shirley character was the leading role in the story FakeNoose Feb 2019 #34
It's best picture, not most progressive picture Amishman Feb 2019 #17
Any movie exposing conditions in that time period is good news to me. Nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #19
+1 oasis Feb 2019 #59
democracynow -- the real Green Book Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #20
I like the Honest Trailer for the Oscars this year: Initech Feb 2019 #21
How many agreeing it's a white savior movie actually saw it? Beaverhausen Feb 2019 #23
I 100% agree! Shirley was educated, talented and articulate! Role model. And... USALiberal Feb 2019 #24
Agree! It was mostly about relationships, reality, resourcefulness and redemption potential. MFGsunny Feb 2019 #27
It was written by the son of the main character, based on his father's memories, and includes WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #33
Why is necessarily a lie that racism is a result of ignorance? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #57
Did you see the film? Beaverhausen Feb 2019 #64
I can't draw that conclusion from the win EffieBlack Feb 2019 #25
That's probably true. sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #37
This RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #40
Outrage culture strikes again... Good grief. Stand and Fight Feb 2019 #26
People calling out the very real problems with this film is not "outrage culture." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #35
Uh huh. Stand and Fight Feb 2019 #72
I mean, maybe I have it wrong. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #73
Amen.. n/t SoCalDem Feb 2019 #36
Why do people have to complain about EVERYTHING BlueintheSTL Feb 2019 #28
Yes, people should definitely keep their opinions to themselves, rather than give feedback on WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #38
That is what I am finding most interesting about this. I am sure this has some psychological still_one Feb 2019 #51
Seems like anything the Academy does these days.. MicaelS Feb 2019 #53
Yeah, no shit BlueintheSTL Feb 2019 #62
all the award shows should be cancelled Mosby Feb 2019 #65
No, just give everyone an award. MicaelS Feb 2019 #67
The delicious clickbait ad revenue! Oneironaut Feb 2019 #58
I saw the Oscar crap Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #39
They are movies! Of course they don't! BlueintheSTL Feb 2019 #49
Well you couldn't tell that from reading this thread. Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #52
This is such a load of shit FrankBooth Feb 2019 #41
I posted an unedited article from the HuffPost without comment, and you imply that this opinion still_one Feb 2019 #43
Yep FrankBooth Feb 2019 #44
This has NOTHING to do with the Democrats or the left, and that you decide to interject it speaks still_one Feb 2019 #45
Uh-huh FrankBooth Feb 2019 #46
Gee Frank, you seem upset with the Democrats and the left, I wonder why that is? still_one Feb 2019 #47
I'm so upset... FrankBooth Feb 2019 #48
I never said that. Also, I never watch the oscars. I have the opinion that George C. Scott had still_one Feb 2019 #50
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we agreed FrankBooth Feb 2019 #56
You are absolutely right about Hollywood and the Oscars. It is a businesss. It is as simply that. still_one Feb 2019 #60
I'm guessing NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #71
Never mind all the over-hyped "controversy"... ADX Feb 2019 #42
I 100% agree, exposing then treatment of blacks in the 60s is a great thing! Nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #63
I did not see the movie. MineralMan Feb 2019 #55
I was stunned by this win malaise Feb 2019 #68
Green Book did its job krawhitham Feb 2019 #70
Or, not taking sides, you could say it was great filmmaking lindysalsagal Feb 2019 #74
Here's my controversy filled opinion for what it's worth Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #76
good analysis ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #78

underpants

(182,826 posts)
3. Yeah the acceptance speech was cringeworthy too
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:10 AM
Feb 2019

All white men except for Ali, who won an Oscar last night, and another black person on the opposite side of the stage. Then the person at the mic profusely praised Viggo (who by all accounts is a good guy and very liberal) for making the whole thing possible. I get that him signing on was a big deal in terms of getting financing and making it but they had an actual Oscar winner there and they barely acknowledged him.

The Seth Meyers "White Savior" fake trailer is spot on.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
4. Always something to gripe about
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:40 AM
Feb 2019

Hey, at least it was better than Driving Miss Daisy and Dances With Wolves. Opinions may vary of course.

My main complaint: not a single nomination for Leave No Trace, which should receive an award for best film not to receive a nomination.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
32. "Opinions may vary of course."
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:28 PM
Feb 2019

Did you miss that part?

Green Book at least held my attention. Driving Miss Lazy bored me after the first 45 minutes.

Zoonart

(11,869 posts)
6. Could not agree more.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:53 AM
Feb 2019

Of all the nominated films, Black Klansman was the film that will be remembered and will last in the cannon of cinematic art.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
7. I felt the same way about Get Out previously
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:57 AM
Feb 2019

That is a movie that is absolutely groundbreaking. It will be studied in film courses for years to come.

Zoonart

(11,869 posts)
10. SO true.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:01 AM
Feb 2019

I write horror fiction and Get Out is a masterpiece. It's unique subtlety is what makes it so powerful. Bloody guts are overrated. Psychological horror is the most lasting...the most scarring...racism is the horror that keeps on giving.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
61. I completely agree.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:59 PM
Feb 2019

It is a horror/thriller that works on every single level, from the simple to the profound. I thought about that movie for days after I saw it. That's how I know a film is great.

I wish every horror/thriller could be like that.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
69. True about Get Out. But I don't see BlacKKKlansman worthy of study in film courses.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:32 PM
Feb 2019

That's the only nominee I've seen so far. I'll have to check out the others.

Maybe it was a slow year.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
9. Either that one
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:01 AM
Feb 2019

or (though I didn't see it) Roma. I think both of those will last. Since I didn't see Roma it is possible that film was better though I loved Blackkklansman

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
54. I've tried watching Roma 3 times
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

And get bored and switch it off. I'm the viewer who needs a beginning, a middle and an end. I felt like it was a movie about a guy who loves Fellini - not a story unto itself.

Docreed2003

(16,862 posts)
75. I agree
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:20 PM
Feb 2019

"Roma" is a beautiful film at times, but dang it's just so slow. It just never drew me in the way some movies do.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
18. At the very least Spike Lee should have been chosen as Best Director
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:12 PM
Feb 2019

But he seemed pretty happy with the Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar.


Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
30. I love Spike Lee. A LOT. But Roma was directing genius.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:26 PM
Feb 2019

I had Lee for Best Picture is my pool, though. I thought this was going to be the one. Then Green Book shit on it.

ananda

(28,865 posts)
12. Disagree
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:44 AM
Feb 2019

I felt that the white guy was the one who was "saved"
from his inhuman prejudice.

The black guy literally helped him become human again.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
13. "The black guy literally helped him become human again."
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:59 AM
Feb 2019

Only by being traumatized overtly and covertly. That's not help; that's slaughter. White people can do better than that, and better than this movie.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
66. I agree. Not my favorite ... black klansman my favorite
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

But I think dr Shirley was the one mentoring Tony. He was strong on ethics vs Tony’s short cuts and thievery (taking stone). Maybe Shirley saw Tony as no more than the “help” as Shirley’s family alleges, but it’s possible that Tony saw Shirley as a significant factor in his life ... someone who opened up another world to him ... music, high culture, ethics. Shirley did not treat Tony as a goomba but someone capable of much more. Tony had a sense of ethics (keeping his word about the contract, being faithful to his wife) but Shirley brought it home to him about devotion to art, ethics and honor.

Not a fabulous movie but solid. Tony might be a zero to the Shirley family but not the other way around. He had an influence on Tony’s life.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
77. It's an unpopular opinion but I agree.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:19 PM
Feb 2019

Some people saw a white guy saving the day. I saw a white guy taken to school by a black guy who'd had his fill after a lifetime of bigotry.

The period costumes and scenery were a bonus I enjoyed immensely as I sell a lot of mid century stuff in my antique shop.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
14. A good approach to bridging the gap between races would be to
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:24 AM
Feb 2019

... not shit on media depicting people bridging the gap between races.

I haven't seen either film, and there are undoubtedly valid criticisms of both. Some of the points made about Green Book seem valid on the face of them but focusing on them to the exclusion of everything else about it is not helpful.

It is not helpful to put every single racial interaction under a microscope.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Democrats are suckers for seeking perfection and falling prey to right wing shenanigans in that regard. We lost an extremely good Senator (Franken) because enough Democrats demanded perfection.

Yes, Spike Lee should have been recognized more officially for Do The Right Thing, which I have seen.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
16. "It is not helpful to put every single racial interaction under a microscope."
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

We are discussing a movie that does little to "bridge the gap between races" because it shows the only way to do that is for a white person to directly witness the suffering and degradation of a black person, and then makes it equivalent to the black person employing the white person and being pals with him -- and that's all without digging into the shameful way this movie was produced in the first place.

The perfect may be the enemy of the good, but this movie isn't even good. We must do better.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
22. The fact that they didn't bother to consult Shirley's family AT ALL
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

I have a big problem with that nd I'm white. I have a problem with the fact that Shirley's character was considered a supporting role too. I'll probably watch it eventually, but I'm not in a big rush.

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
34. Yes the Dr. Shirley character was the leading role in the story
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:30 PM
Feb 2019

Mahershala Ali should have won the Oscar for Best Actor in a Leading Role. I'm glad he won something, but he was cheated out of a better award in the process. Or one could argue that BOTH Dr. Shirley (Ali) and Tony the Lip (Mortensen) were leading roles and they both deserved to be nominated for the Leading Actor award. How could they choose one and not the other? My guess is that maybe Viggo Mortensen's agent got something in his contract early on, stating that only he would be the leading role. Does that even happen any more?

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
17. It's best picture, not most progressive picture
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

Green book was a really good film and loved by critics and audiences. It's a legit choice for best picture.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
21. I like the Honest Trailer for the Oscars this year:
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

"They pissed people off by hiring and firing Kevin Hart. And then they pissed people off by announcing and then unannouncing that they will air certain categories during the commercial break. Now they will piss people off by choosing one of the following 8 movies for Best Picture."



&t=307s

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
23. How many agreeing it's a white savior movie actually saw it?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:32 PM
Feb 2019

I saw it and it was about the relationship between the two men, not about one being a savior.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
24. I 100% agree! Shirley was educated, talented and articulate! Role model. And...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:53 PM
Feb 2019

Exposes what he had to deal with not that long ago.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
27. Agree! It was mostly about relationships, reality, resourcefulness and redemption potential.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Feb 2019


During Jim Crow era, said Green Book ITSELF - published from 1936 to 1964 - had very real aspects of saving grace.

https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/negro-motorist-green-book-1936-1964/

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
33. It was written by the son of the main character, based on his father's memories, and includes
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:29 PM
Feb 2019

no perspective from Shirley's family, thus centering the white man's experience of racism.

In so doing, perpetuates the lie that racism is the result of ignorance, not a system built into the infrastructure of this nation that continues to this day to disenfranchise and oppress black people.

 

Progressive Law

(617 posts)
57. Why is necessarily a lie that racism is a result of ignorance?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:51 PM
Feb 2019

Why can't both be true, that racism can be a result of ignorance and that racism is a result of "a system built into the infrastructure of this nation..."?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
25. I can't draw that conclusion from the win
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:56 PM
Feb 2019

For all we know, Green Book got one more vote than the several other black/brown-themed films. It's possible that Black Panther, BlackKKKlansman and Roma together received substantially more votes than Green Book.

I think we're reading way too much into this. I'm just glad that so many diverse films were in the running and are being recognized.

 

BlueintheSTL

(135 posts)
28. Why do people have to complain about EVERYTHING
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:24 PM
Feb 2019

Bill Maher was spot on in his Oscar rant a couple weeks ago regarding the nominees. Bohemian Rhapsody not good enough because it downplays his sexuality! Green Book not good enough because it is not liberal enough! You know what, if John Lewis has no problem it, then who am I to say otherwise? Anyone who has ever watch a movie "based on a true story" knows that the movie is never 100% or even 75% accurate from the book or whatever original material it came from.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
38. Yes, people should definitely keep their opinions to themselves, rather than give feedback on
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:33 PM
Feb 2019

entertainment about issues that are important to them.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
51. That is what I am finding most interesting about this. I am sure this has some psychological
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:10 PM
Feb 2019

implication, which perhaps is why the media exploits it because they realize the emotion it generates


MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
53. Seems like anything the Academy does these days..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:23 PM
Feb 2019

Is going to piss off people and cause a (seemingly) big controversy.

 

BlueintheSTL

(135 posts)
62. Yeah, no shit
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:04 PM
Feb 2019

Life is just too short to get angry or offended by everything people do, especially over a freaking movie of all things. This is becoming the norm these days with everything in society, and it continues to get progressively worse.

Mosby

(16,317 posts)
65. all the award shows should be cancelled
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

Because they just upset people and the people voting could be bigots.

The award shows are just enabling bigotry.

Time to move on.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
39. I saw the Oscar crap
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:35 PM
Feb 2019

on the television at the bar last night.

I thought to myself and told another patron: "none of this has any bearing on reality whatsoever."

 

BlueintheSTL

(135 posts)
49. They are movies! Of course they don't!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:59 PM
Feb 2019

People watch movies movies to be entertained, not for a reality check. How many movies have ever giving you any bearing of reality? If that is what you want in movies, stick to documentaries.

FrankBooth

(1,603 posts)
41. This is such a load of shit
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:44 PM
Feb 2019

No wonder Democrats and American left can't hold together election coalitions commensurate to their actual popularity. It's idiotic purity test bullshit like this. Did they actually watch the ceremony? It was a great representation of diversity in action, without hyperbole or didactic grandstanding ... it was very measured, low-key and effective IMO.

Hollywood is under no obligation to make your perfect movie -- you can go ahead and do that yourself if you have a few extra $M to throw around.

Hollywood is under no obligation to hire the crew you think they should hire. Don't like it? Don't go see the movie, problem solved. In Hollywood's defense, there is an overt, industry-wide push to address their diversity issues, with differing levels of success of course -- but they are trying and in many instances, succeeding. It's certainly not perfect or complete, but compared to many, if not most industries, film is hardly the problem.

Studio movies are about making a profit FIRST -- not your political agenda. Don't like that? Stop watching them and make your own.

Would I have given the nod to Spike over Green Book? Probably. Personally I would have given it to Roma over both. Green Book was nothing special IMO, but it was entertaining and had heart -- because it was made by so-called "white guys" it's somehow a political failure? Total nonsense -- the Academy has always favored sappy, sentimental movies like Green Book.

Issues like this are perfect for exploitation by those who want to divide the left as there's no way to win or resolve them.



still_one

(92,216 posts)
43. I posted an unedited article from the HuffPost without comment, and you imply that this opinion
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:50 PM
Feb 2019

is somehow related to the Democrats and the left?

There was NOT one mention of Democratic politics or the left in that piece.









still_one

(92,216 posts)
45. This has NOTHING to do with the Democrats or the left, and that you decide to interject it speaks
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:53 PM
Feb 2019

volumes about stereotyping


Most are giving there opinions for or against, they are NOT blaming Democrats or the left for those opinions

still_one

(92,216 posts)
50. I never said that. Also, I never watch the oscars. I have the opinion that George C. Scott had
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019

toward them.

I just found it interesting that you felt so inclined to interject Democrats and the left into the conversation, which is why I responded

In fact it might surprise you, but I think we probably agree on more things than disagree



FrankBooth

(1,603 posts)
56. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we agreed
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

On more things than not. I think that's true for 90% of all the arguments that happen between posters on this site. We all have much more in common than not, and yet we spend an inordinate amount of time sniping over the disagreements. I'd go so far as to say that obsession with the 10% here is unhealthy and vulnerable to exploitation by those who willfully seek to divide us. I had no intention of exacerbating that situation, but perhaps I have and should have just not posted anything.

I'm not sure why you're surprised I'd interject politics into my comment, but to clarify.

1. This is a political discussion forum, so it's not outrageous to address political implications of a given post, whether it was stated overtly or just implied.
2. My comment was not just to you, but a reply to many (but not all) of the comments on here. Plenty of political opinions. I obviously didn't make that clear.
3. My comment about Democrats and the left refers to the above point about our agreements/disagreements. We know for a fact that there are forces out there on the Internet who want to divide Democrats. Issues like this are low-hanging fruit-- easy to exploit for those who wish to do so. Again, I probably failed in making that clear ... but after the Bernie/Hillary shitshow in '16, this division is something that concerns me. And IMO, division based on this HuffPo piece are not helpful to the left or Democrats.
4. The HuffPost link shows an amazing lack of understanding of Hollywood. You yourself said you don't enjoy the Oscars, which is fine. I am ambivalent. But Hollywood, warts and all, is way, way ahead of the curve regarding attempts to tackle diversity/access issues in their industry compared to pretty much any other big industry. Also, Hollwyood gravitates to sentimental, feel-good stories like Green Book for one reason, and one reason only -- they make more $$ (or are at least perceived to by the financiers calling the development shots.)

still_one

(92,216 posts)
60. You are absolutely right about Hollywood and the Oscars. It is a businesss. It is as simply that.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

I was just perplexed about where Democrats and the left came into this, but boy you sure explained it eloquently, and I sure appreciate that.

Thanks

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
71. I'm guessing
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:05 PM
Feb 2019

because this is a political site for Democrats/liberals/progressives and this post had 50+ responses before Frank made his replies. The implication about white saviors is political by itself.

I do agree that Hollywood like feel good movies in general - Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction and Shawshank Redemption; Rocky over All the President's Men, Network and Taxi Driver; etc

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
42. Never mind all the over-hyped "controversy"...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:48 PM
Feb 2019

..."Green Book" was one of the best movies I saw all last year and I saw a LOT of them. The movie deals with some sensitive subject matter in a very human way that transcended racial politics. At the end of the day, it's about two guys from very diverse backgrounds who learn to bridge their differences and become lifelong friends.

What's so controversial about that?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
55. I did not see the movie.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:42 PM
Feb 2019

I wonder if the writer of this saw it, but I'm not going to go and find out.

The thing is that it won an award that was voted on by a predominantly white group of people connected to the film industry.

That's all it is. I'm not going to make the logical error of assuming that the Oscar is any more significant than that. Now, I'll probably see the movie, eventually, and then I'll make my own assessment of it.

What I assume, though, is that it told a story based on real events, and told it well enough to impress a bunch of film industry people. The Oscars are what they are, and that's all they are.

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
70. Green Book did its job
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:01 PM
Feb 2019

Green Book does not claim to be a documentary, movies generally want to 1st make money, 2nd win awards, 3rd get people talking about the film


Green Book has done its job very well,
* It made a fair amount of money grossing 144 million while costing 23 million
* It won awards, 3 Oscars plus another 46 awards. It even got a rare A+ CinemaScore
* It brought awareness, it got people talking, googling, and learning. Without this movie no one (media, blogs, twitter) would be currently talking about Dr. Don Shirley, Victor Hugo Green, or Jim Crow


lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
74. Or, not taking sides, you could say it was great filmmaking
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:41 PM
Feb 2019

Regardless if the content.

I think it made us care about both characters and brought compassion to both of their challenges and motivations.

Black Panther was unapologetic fantasy. Green book offered a realistic redemption we all need now. It was too timely to lose.

Docreed2003

(16,862 posts)
76. Here's my controversy filled opinion for what it's worth
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:44 PM
Feb 2019

A). There is no "white savior" in "Green Book". The biggest issues the movie has are in the cringeworthy way they have a white guy try to teach a black guy to "be black" and the fact that the "Green Book" is only peripherally mentioned in the movie.

B). Everyone is getting bent out of shape about the historical innacuarcy of "Green Book" and no one seems bothered in the least that "BlackKKlansman" largely fictionalized the final part of that film (ie the bombing).

C). Somehow every thinks Vigo's turn from racist bigot to being open minded is unrealistic over two hours, but Adam Driver's somewhat racist turn not racist in KKklansman isn't?? Um ok.

D). The movie in the Best Picture category with the most realistic representation of racial interactions for me was not either of those two films...it was "A Star is Born". I thought Chappelle's character and that set of scenes added heart to the movie...but maybe it's because I'm biased in that I know I have friends in Memphis that I could show up drunk on their front yard and they'd be cool with it and put me up if I needed it... .

E). Ali is a phenomenal actor, but was his performance really the best on that category? I thought Grant in "Can you ever forgive me?" was a better performance, but that's obviously subjective.

F). Finally, it was appropriate that most of the better films in the Best Picture category were honored in some way in other categories (Ie Best Actor/Actress/Screenplay/Director/Supporting Roles/And Song). I think that speaks to how strong those films were and how there wasn't ONE standout film this year but a bunch of really good ones.

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