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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:52 PM Feb 2019

Nicolle Wallace Bombshell: Trump Only Running For Re-Election To Avoid Indictment

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/25/wallace-trump-indictment.html

Posted on Mon, Feb 25th, 2019 by Jason Easley
Nicolle Wallace Bombshell: Trump Only Running For Re-Election To Avoid Indictment


Wallace said on her show Deadline: White House, “The impending end of Robert Mueller’s investigation may be just the beginning of the legal battle between Democratic lawmakers and the Trump administration over what potentially incriminating evidence should be made public in the Russia probe. That looming showdown combined with the possibility that Mueller will spin off untold federal investigations that could threaten the president and his family, make up a new legal and political reality not locked on Donald Trump. And according to a fresh report from the daily beast, quote, Donald Trump signaled to his inner circle even he knows special counsel Robert Mueller finishing his investigation will be a new beginning, not a dramatic end for trump world’s eclectic legal health scape. It includes Rudy Giuliani, he didn’t want his lawyers going anywhere, even after the Mueller probe ends. The conversation served as a private admission that federal investigations bedeviling his first term in office will be haunting him for possibly years to come. The table is back. Betsy, I understand his chief motivation for running for re-election is to avoid possible indictment and legal jeopardy.”





Avoiding Prison Is The Only Reason For Trump To Stay In The White House

Donald Trump has made it clear that he hates being president. In 2017, Trump was chatting with some friends after a round of golf when he said, “That White House is a real dump.” Donald Trump tantrumed through the government shutdown that he caused because it kept him from going to his private club in Florida. Trump is spending most of his time as president sitting around watching Fox News, tweeting, and talking on the phone.

Trump hates being president, but his motivation for wanting to keep the job is that the moment the next president is sworn into office, former president Trump could face a criminal indictment on a wide variety of charges.

This president is only interested in saving himself, and his one clear path to avoiding prison involves winning another four years in the White House.
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Nicolle Wallace Bombshell: Trump Only Running For Re-Election To Avoid Indictment (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2019 OP
Many Americans are dumb enough not to realize this. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #1
But sooner or later he has to be done, he must know that. And then what? Seems his best move mahina Feb 2019 #4
That's what his kids are for ... imaginary girl Feb 2019 #8
I think one of the issues is leftieNanner Feb 2019 #18
Last Fri a guy on Chris Hayes said that the SDNY will be there waiting for him. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #30
Thanks for the reminder. leftieNanner Feb 2019 #32
The SDNY is federal. euphorb Feb 2019 #44
Mystal graduated from Harvard Law BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #45
Plus, Rachel reported a month or so ago that there can be secret indictments that can be Hestia Feb 2019 #70
A sealed indictment gets around that problem Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #52
I've often suggested he could defect. Harker Feb 2019 #21
Yes, either North Korea or Russia would allow him citizenship... Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #39
Donald Dotard, the Defective Defector! nt smb Feb 2019 #62
Uncle Vlad will welcome him! ChazInAz Feb 2019 #67
All Americans are dishonored by the fact that... NNadir Feb 2019 #51
This just in. Glad she said it though! mahina Feb 2019 #2
Of course.. I also think that's why he ran for POTUS in the first place. honest.abe Feb 2019 #3
He started his re-election fund or organization treestar Feb 2019 #5
Yes he did, but that was so he could pilfer the leftover $ millions FakeNoose Feb 2019 #17
Exactly...two-termer vs. one-termer is the reason he was always going to run again Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #43
"Reelection Fund" Piggy Bank For Grifting nt smb Feb 2019 #63
Which is why he has to lose. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #6
Losing "Bigly" Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #19
Thanks Evolve! smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #36
They will be coming True Blue American Feb 2019 #49
People backing someone in the democratic primary need to realize that there is a much bigger picture Blue_true Feb 2019 #26
I have my preferences, but I will back the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #34
Hmmmmm.... Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #40
I thought he was on track to lose bigly in 2016 NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #54
"It includes Rudy Giuliani" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #7
But they only said Rudy Giuliani once... Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #24
What concerns me is he TrishaJ Feb 2019 #9
Never happen. One will never be 2nd to the other. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #42
He can run but not hide. Can use "executive time" to deal with indictments. Indict him. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #10
Yup. Put some "indictments time" on his schedule sharedvalues Feb 2019 #12
Only true because complicit GOP refuses to apply checks to the traitor sharedvalues Feb 2019 #11
If he loses he will resign. Then Pence will pardon him. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #13
Pardons do not apply to the Southern District of NY. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #31
SDNY prosecutes federal crimes not state crimes. Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #33
There are state crimes that he committed that they will get him for. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #37
Can you not understand? The SDNY is the FEDERAL US Atty. in Manhattan, no state prosecutions. tableturner Feb 2019 #48
You are confusing SDNY with State of NY Thunderbeast Feb 2019 #35
If state charges are filed, then contested robbob Feb 2019 #55
Lips to Zeus' ear! UTUSN Feb 2019 #14
What, is he hoping to die in Office? no_hypocrisy Feb 2019 #15
I've got news for you CDerekGo Feb 2019 #16
he wants to go to jail four years older? treason has no statute of limitations demigoddess Feb 2019 #20
We are in a national emergency, and it ain't our southern border Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #22
Prison time will be the least of his worries. nt Progressive Jones Feb 2019 #23
Mueller and SDNY will keep him busy. Delmette2.0 Feb 2019 #25
Not if Beavis, Butthead and Princess are languishing in a federal prison he won't Mr. Ected Feb 2019 #27
He'll Probably Try Throwing The Kids Under The Bus To Save His Own Butt nt smb Feb 2019 #64
Bombshell!! zzzzzzzz hibbing Feb 2019 #28
I just love her show proud patriot Feb 2019 #29
How many Presidents in modern times haven't run for re-election? NT WeekiWater Feb 2019 #38
I Think LBJ Was The Last One nt smb Feb 2019 #65
Bombshell? I think someone right here on DU opined the same thing weeks ago!! oldsoftie Feb 2019 #41
OK, so what's his plan in six years if (barf) he gets re-elected? Still In Wisconsin Feb 2019 #46
The word "bombshell" should be banned from media headlines. Guilded Lilly Feb 2019 #47
Love to be able to tattoo... N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2019 #50
Another reason that a 'sitting' president should be indicted. Would anyone with a rational mind... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #53
Well, of course he is. That's been apparant since February 2017. Texin Feb 2019 #56
Duh. nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #57
The first campaign was a grab for a 'get out of jail free' card... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #58
Love Nicole, but that ain't a bombshell Cosmocat Feb 2019 #59
This has been painfully obvious from the start. dchill Feb 2019 #60
Maybe. But immediately after election, he started running for re-election. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #61
He will lose the election, be indicted, convicted and imprisoned. MoonRiver Feb 2019 #66
Hopefully he loses any indictments should be on 1/20/21 after lunch. Historic NY Feb 2019 #68
Indictment and legal jeopardy? DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #69
Once he's no longer president, he can't pardon Junior, Jared, and his favorite, Ivanka. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #71
Second term or prison term Gothmog May 2020 #72

mahina

(17,649 posts)
4. But sooner or later he has to be done, he must know that. And then what? Seems his best move
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:00 PM
Feb 2019

Would be to take advantage of one of these long trips and while overseas, resettle somewhere that we have no extradition agreement.

imaginary girl

(861 posts)
8. That's what his kids are for ...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:40 PM
Feb 2019

... run for president using the Chinese voting machines they've already trademarked, and then pardon him. Hopefully, they won't succeed.

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
18. I think one of the issues is
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:05 PM
Feb 2019

the Statute of Limitations. If he wins and serves another 4 years, (pardon me while I barf) then some of his crimes would not be prosecutable any more.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
30. Last Fri a guy on Chris Hayes said that the SDNY will be there waiting for him.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:44 PM
Feb 2019

Elie Mystal, Above The Law, said that the SDNY will be able to nail tRump and his kids and possibly his grandkids (he joked) but his point was that the Southern District of NY has so many tRump crimes they can charge him and his family with that his only chance of delaying the inevitable is getting reelected. Also, no pardons will be able to be applied to the SDNY (Manafort and Kushner will be in this group too). This made me very happy to know. No pardons apply to the SDNY and the statute of limitations is not a problem. He even said that "the SDNY is like syphilis to tRump since it will never go away and will make him crazy".

Now the questions are WHEN he will finally get nailed, not IF and WHO will be nailing him and for WHICH particular crimes and WHAT will the punishment be? He is going down and so are his kids. SDNY will take care of them, even if Mueller doesn't. He is toast and he knows it. He should pray that he drops dead from a stroke since that will be his only way out. Order another bucket of chicken, moron!

euphorb

(279 posts)
44. The SDNY is federal.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:25 PM
Feb 2019

SDNY prosecutors are federal prosecutors (it's part of the DOJ) and deal only with federal crimes. They are not pardon proof. This seems to be a common misconception on DU. Prosecution for state crimes would come from the NY Attorney General.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
45. Mystal graduated from Harvard Law
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:37 PM
Feb 2019

and said on Chris Hayes that the SDNY will always be there to get him on crimes that Mueller isn't investigating. Why would Pence pardon him for crimes he hasn't been charged with? I think this is how Mystal sees the big picture going forward.

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/02/elie-mystal-nails-it-mueller-coming-trump

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
70. Plus, Rachel reported a month or so ago that there can be secret indictments that can be
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

stopped at this time, then reopened when he is perp walked, so basically, there is no statue of limitations. It's some special procedure that the feds can do.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
39. Yes, either North Korea or Russia would allow him citizenship...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:04 PM
Feb 2019

Come on, Vlad; take him off our hands. Teflon Don would be more fun than Snowden...

ChazInAz

(2,567 posts)
67. Uncle Vlad will welcome him!
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:14 PM
Feb 2019

Nice little dacha in the middle of nowhere, someplace like Archangelsk.
No phones, no news crews, nicely isolated.
Polonium in his borscht.

NNadir

(33,515 posts)
51. All Americans are dishonored by the fact that...
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:21 AM
Feb 2019

...there were enough Americans to allow this horrible human being in the White House in the first place.

It is a measure of our intellectual, moral, and spiritual decline.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
3. Of course.. I also think that's why he ran for POTUS in the first place.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

He was already in legal trouble prior to 2016.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. He started his re-election fund or organization
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:01 PM
Feb 2019

The day after he took office. IMO his ego means he has to have 2 terms. One term presidents aren't considered a success.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
17. Yes he did, but that was so he could pilfer the leftover $ millions
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:57 PM
Feb 2019

Chump couldn't explain what happened to all the leftover money that didn't get used for the inauguration. 'Memba that? So abracadabra - create a re-election campaign fund and all the leftover money went whoosh. No reason to return any donations, they all went into the kitty. Problem solved.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
43. Exactly...two-termer vs. one-termer is the reason he was always going to run again
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:23 PM
Feb 2019

Any other version is a ridiculous adjustment. It's amazing how easy it is to be correct simply by relying on normalcy, while others are scrambling to pretend normalcy doesn't apply this time

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. Which is why he has to lose.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:02 PM
Feb 2019

And lose bigly. I really don't think I will be able to take it if he wins another term. I'm pretty sure I will end up in a mental hospital. Seriously.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. Thanks Evolve!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:59 PM
Feb 2019

And welcome to DU! We have the fight of our lives in front of us, and our primary goal right now is to make sure that Trump never gets a second term!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. People backing someone in the democratic primary need to realize that there is a much bigger picture
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:36 PM
Feb 2019

if their choice does not get nominated or be part of the November ticket. We have a person in office that is seriously dangerous to our democracy and our wellbeing, that must be first and formost in everyone's mind.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
34. I have my preferences, but I will back the Democratic nominee no matter who it is.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:57 PM
Feb 2019

I would like to think that we all think the same way. Anyone on this board who will not back the Democratic nominee really shouldn't be here.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
40. Hmmmmm....
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:13 PM
Feb 2019

I must disagree with your conclusion. I hope to hear a variety of ideas from the various candidates through the primary process and the voters will decide who will become the nominee. Preferring, supporting or backing a candidate this early on is hopefully due to the ideas the candidate had provided which are closest to those of the voter. As it all moves forward and the field is narrowed hopefully we will continue to align ourselves with the candidate that most closely matches our views. In the end there will be one nominee and that will be the decision of the process and the voters. Who that is remains to be seen, but I will vote for that candidate when the general election rolls around.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
24. But they only said Rudy Giuliani once...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:30 PM
Feb 2019

You have to say Rudy Giuliani three times in order to make Rudy Giuliani appear! Oh Shit...sorry

TrishaJ

(798 posts)
9. What concerns me is he
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:45 PM
Feb 2019

might see staying in office as a permanent "president" as his only option to avoid prosecution. Dictatorship as a necessity for survival.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
31. Pardons do not apply to the Southern District of NY.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:48 PM
Feb 2019

They will be able to nail him and his family for state crimes and there is no statute of limitations. He can't be POTUS forever. SDNY will be patiently wiating to charge him and his family.

Sneederbunk

(14,290 posts)
33. SDNY prosecutes federal crimes not state crimes.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:54 PM
Feb 2019

Ford pardoned Nixon of all present federal crimes. Agreed state crimes prosecuted by states are another matter.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
37. There are state crimes that he committed that they will get him for.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:01 PM
Feb 2019

He lived and worked in NY and like Manafort committed state financial crimes (mostly). Here you can read it here...
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/02/elie-mystal-nails-it-mueller-coming-trump

tableturner

(1,682 posts)
48. Can you not understand? The SDNY is the FEDERAL US Atty. in Manhattan, no state prosecutions.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:49 PM
Feb 2019

You are getting them mixed up with the NY STATE attorney general or other state prosecutors in NY. THEY (NY STATE attorney general or other state prosecutors in NY), not any federal prosecutors, will handle state criminal violations, which are not pardonable by a president. Based on news reports, state criminal violations are expected, and again, they will be prosecuted by NY state prosecutors, not federal.

As for the SDNY, that office prosecutes ONLY federal crimes, which ARE pardonable by a president. Trump could issue pardons in advance of any possible indictments (like Ford did with Nixon) that would cover any federal crimes committed to that point. That would end any prosecutions for anybody pardoned by Trump, except for crimes newly committed after the date of any pardons.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
35. You are confusing SDNY with State of NY
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:58 PM
Feb 2019

Southern District IS Federal Court.

State charges may be filed by New York prosecutors, but that is not the same as the Federal actions.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
55. If state charges are filed, then contested
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:44 AM
Feb 2019

do they eventually find their way up to the Supreme Court? Which reThugs are stacking with politically biased nominees as quickly as they can?

no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
15. What, is he hoping to die in Office?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:57 PM
Feb 2019

Or by 2025, a jury won't send an old man to prison? Ask Bernie Madoff if that strategy works . . . . .

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
16. I've got news for you
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:57 PM
Feb 2019

Donald Trump is the ONLY sitting 'president' who's EVER started his re-election campaign the day after taking office. Drumpf is only 'running' for re-election for the M$O$N$E$Y$!!! Guess where all that $$$MONEY from his 'rallies' goes to? Re-Election? Nope, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump Jr, and Trumps Legal Expenses. Ok, so maybe some of this is to avoid Indictment, but to be honest, more and more is coming out about the fact that Sitting Presidents CAN BE INDICTED.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
22. We are in a national emergency, and it ain't our southern border
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:22 PM
Feb 2019

The miscreant in the White House is a threat to our nation and needs to be held accountable for past and present illegalities. Does the framework of our country provide for this? Yes. Do the current occupants of elected office have the sworn commitment to uphold those laws? We will see in the next months and years. Here's hoping.

Delmette2.0

(4,164 posts)
25. Mueller and SDNY will keep him busy.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:31 PM
Feb 2019

So busy that he won't have time to campaign. He will either be in court or consulting with attorneys and not on the campaign trail.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
27. Not if Beavis, Butthead and Princess are languishing in a federal prison he won't
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:36 PM
Feb 2019

And when America hears the enormity of each of their myriad of crimes, there is no way in hell they get pardoned, and even if they do, they'll languish in a state penitentiary instead.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
41. Bombshell? I think someone right here on DU opined the same thing weeks ago!!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:16 PM
Feb 2019

But i cant remember who to give the credit to

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
53. Another reason that a 'sitting' president should be indicted. Would anyone with a rational mind...
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:11 AM
Feb 2019

leave a serial sexual predator in place for another 4 years without charging them with a crime? The damage to the American brand is worth it, that the presidency is not some ticket to criminal mischief or breaking the law without consequences.

This was surely not ever intended by the framers of the constitution. Never.

Also, hates being president and faces indictments if he leaves office doesn't ring true...pence would pardon him for the federal crimes, and as for the state crimes, I don't know. I suspect some of them would be thrown out due to the state not having the authority to prosecute the crimes, but some of them would stick perhaps.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
56. Well, of course he is. That's been apparant since February 2017.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:06 AM
Feb 2019

So many of Mueller's actions, i.e., turning over parts of the investigation to the Southern District of New York, for example, which have filed (apparently) sealed indictments presumably naming him, could be deferred for several years beyond his presidency*. He's going to have to be removed physically from office. He will never leave it voluntarily. Every day he remains in place, he is able to whittle away at the norms of this society. He will consolidate his power more and more. He plans to hunker down for the rest of his mortal existence in the White House. Something must be done. The rethug led senate is allowing this to continue and will do so to enable them maintain a vice grip on rethug rule in perpetuity. There will be noting left for this country that isn't in the pockets of all their megabillionaire friends - of whom they wish to join their ranks.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
59. Love Nicole, but that ain't a bombshell
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:27 AM
Feb 2019

Simple GD common sense, I have been saying this for over two years now when people put forward their beliefs that he won't run again ...

And, I have been saying for a long time now, that by the time the race heats up, he and the conservative media brainwashing media will flat out state it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
61. Maybe. But immediately after election, he started running for re-election.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

Even before any investigation. His team put together his re-election campaign team, starting fund raising. His rallies were geared for it, from the start.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
66. He will lose the election, be indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 12:51 PM
Feb 2019

All he's doing is delaying the inevitable for a few months. But since Idiot cannot think past the next 5 minutes, that's totally predictable.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
69. Indictment and legal jeopardy?
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:07 PM
Feb 2019

Those should be the least of trump's worries.

We used to hang fucking traitors like trump in this country.

71. Once he's no longer president, he can't pardon Junior, Jared, and his favorite, Ivanka.
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 07:32 PM
Feb 2019

Nor can he pardon himself, which he seems to believe is possible (with the SCOTUS he's put in place, that might be true).

I don't know how the statute of limitations factors into this.

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