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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:40 PM Aug 2012

BISHOPS: God VOTES Republican!




Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, is scheduled to deliver the concluding benediction at the Republican National Convention next week, after Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech. The Eternal Word Television Network leaked word of Dolan’s appearance last night in a press release about Romney’s exclusive appearance, to be aired tonight, on the program “The World Over.” The news — both its substance and the venue in which it was conveyed — make clear three things: that Romney intends to make the Bishops’ bogus arguments about religious liberty infringements a centerpiece of his campaign’s faith outreach; that any efforts the Obama administration made to placate the Bishops’ unattainable demands on insurance coverage for contraception were a fool’s errand; and that the USCCB has unequivocally attached itself at the hip to the Republican Party.




EWTN, the Catholic television network founded by the nun Mother Angelica in 1981, and which recently acquired the National Catholic Register (“America’s most complete and faithful Catholic news source”), sued the Obama administration in February, charging the contraception mandate violated its First Amendment rights. Michael Warsaw, the network’s president, decreed it a “moment when EWTN, as a Catholic organization, has to step up and say that enough is enough.” In its support of the Bishops’ “fortnight for freedom” earlier this summer, the network quoted — on the same page! — Sir Thomas More just before his beheading and the Rev. Martin Luther King. That was all alongside network head Warsaw asserting, “these are rights not given to us by governments. They are rights given to us by God.”



In its press release, EWTN notes that Dolan hasn’t endorsed a candidate in the presidential race, but emphasizes that “he has been an outspoken critic of a mandate issued by the Obama administration to require employers to offer health insurance plans that covers contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs, even if doing so violates their consciences.” (This repeats the falsehood, which Dolan himself has perpetuated, that the contraceptives covered by the insurance requirement include abortifacients.) Belying the claims of the non-partisan nature of Dolan’s RNC appearance, EWTN goes on to highlight that “Obama has also voiced support for abortion and is the first U.S. president to openly advocate a redefinition of marriage to include homosexual couples.” Just in case you weren’t clear who the enemy is.




The Jesuit magazine America quickly weighed in, and didn’t spare the Bishops any criticism: “The cozy relationship between a sizable portion of U.S. bishops and the Republican Party should be cause for concern, and not just among progressive Catholics. For the church to be able to live out its role as prophet, it cannot be tied to one political party. Cardinal Dolan’s appearance in Tampa will damage the church’s ability to be a moral and legitimate voice for voiceless, as those who view the Catholic Church as being a shill for the GOP have just a bit more evidence to prove their case.”







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http://www.salon.com/2012/08/23/bishops_god_votes_republican/


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BISHOPS: God VOTES Republican! (Original Post) Segami Aug 2012 OP
I'm sure the nuns on the bus fleur-de-lisa Aug 2012 #1
I strongly suspect that God would, too. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #9
I would think God has a MAJOR BIG say on that statement. Maybe they should take heed on the coming Segami Aug 2012 #12
The age old problem. God may vote repub (even though he selected Obama), but Jesus was a liberal. Renew Deal Aug 2012 #2
Yeah, the most famous generational gap. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #10
That should be interesting. Will he vote where they require a picture ID? Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #3
Holier than thou hypocrites is what they are! benld74 Aug 2012 #4
No wonder they are against seperation of chirch and state still_one Aug 2012 #5
James Madison was right. Merging Church and State CORRUPTS BOTH!! Viva_Daddy Aug 2012 #6
Why does The All Mighty always send his flunkies to do his talking for him? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #7
Strip their tax exemption. FSogol Aug 2012 #8
YES!! Segami Aug 2012 #14
Based on what? SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #26
Campaigning for Romney? Involving themselves in partisan political battles? FSogol Aug 2012 #36
Clergy leading prayers at political conventions is nothing new SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #45
I recommend you check with the IRS. Their analysis is different thant yours. FSogol Aug 2012 #48
You might want to take a look at the examples in the article SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #52
Time to tax the church. sarcasmo Aug 2012 #58
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #63
If they want to get political, they pay. End of story. Initech Aug 2012 #65
Then I suggest you work with your elected reps SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #66
So many "holy" hypocrites, hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
Guess what atreides1 Aug 2012 #13
Is God a US citizen? Where is his long form birth certificate? Cleita Aug 2012 #15
LOLOL!!!! Segami Aug 2012 #17
I Don't See Why RobinA Aug 2012 #30
good one! madrchsod Aug 2012 #41
He was born in Kenya, or close to it, Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #47
Good one! Cleita Aug 2012 #61
That's what I was wondering, and what state is he registered to vote in? smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #64
Careful Bishop, less you remind us some other stuff we don't like. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #16
To my ears, that is Blasphemy. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #18
either way, it's only one vote qb Aug 2012 #19
I was raised a catholic riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #20
Religion and Faith belong on opposite sides of the Divine Spectrum. Segami Aug 2012 #24
i like that. barbtries Aug 2012 #28
Its great that the GOP wants someone who paid pedophiles to coverup their crimes Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #21
I want to see God's photo ID! fifthoffive Aug 2012 #22
I think it is entirely appropriate for the repubs to have Dolan mysuzuki2 Aug 2012 #23
And this was decided before or after they conferred with him on where to hide Skidmore Aug 2012 #25
But Jesus votes Democrat. djean111 Aug 2012 #27
I like this answer! abolugi Aug 2012 #44
If the Bishops want to play then then should pay! Historic NY Aug 2012 #29
If God votes, does His vote get counted on a Diebold machine? lastlib Aug 2012 #31
THIS is why the socially-conscious nuns are hated by their male bosses. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #32
So they get a zero vote. 99Forever Aug 2012 #33
Not all the time, I'm pretty sure. Octafish Aug 2012 #34
Has anyone told God about voter fraud? chknltl Aug 2012 #35
The fascination with fascism continues jsr Aug 2012 #37
I want to see his picture ID. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #38
Oh no she doesn't! Blue Idaho Aug 2012 #39
meow2u3: conservative bishops are FALSE PROPHETS! meow2u3 Aug 2012 #40
Ugh! Disgusting! Bishops running with the money changers! Go Greed Over People! /nt MatthewStLouis Aug 2012 #42
we could have a christian/mormon bishop as the president of the united states? madrchsod Aug 2012 #43
We have a Christian as President of the United States now n/t SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #46
He was talking about a bishop, which Obama isn't Any more straw men to erect? FSogol Aug 2012 #49
Not sure what your problem is SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #62
+1 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #60
Thank God for Jesuits n/t warrprayer Aug 2012 #50
Pedophiles Inc. has spoken ! RagAss Aug 2012 #51
Fine, IRS, revoke all organized religion tax exemption Panasonic Aug 2012 #53
Anyone know where xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #54
Ruh-roh! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2012 #55
Why is republican jesus so full of rage? sarcasmo Aug 2012 #56
Can't damage the church more than ann--- Aug 2012 #57
he has no business representing any god... he's a political right wing dick-tator fascisthunter Aug 2012 #59
Is he going to give his personal endorsement to Todd Akin? Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #67
Hey Dolan! Tax the churches! muntrv Aug 2012 #68

GoCubsGo

(34,972 posts)
9. I strongly suspect that God would, too.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

Last I heard, he isn't too happy with people who fuck over the poor.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
12. I would think God has a MAJOR BIG say on that statement. Maybe they should take heed on the coming
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

storm brewing off the coast of Florida. Is it not a message from God expressing His disgust with heretics like Romney, Ryan, tea bangers and the cabal of rethuglicans?

Where is Pat Robertson NOW making his tea leave readings?.....these are SIGNS so take heed you M-----F-----s,....the time is near!!

Renew Deal

(85,286 posts)
2. The age old problem. God may vote repub (even though he selected Obama), but Jesus was a liberal.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Aug 2012
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. Why does The All Mighty always send his flunkies to do his talking for him?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:48 PM
Aug 2012

I mean, He could at least send a video.

FSogol

(47,646 posts)
36. Campaigning for Romney? Involving themselves in partisan political battles?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

Campaigning for Repubs? Take your pick.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
45. Clergy leading prayers at political conventions is nothing new
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:15 PM
Aug 2012

And isn't prohibited.

And so long as the bishops (or any other member of the clergy) isn't acting on behalf of their church, they are permitted to endorse candidates, campaign for candidates and endorse parties. When they are acting on their own behalf and not on behalf of the church, they have the exact same rights, politically, as anyone else does.

Standing at the pulpit in the church and saying "Vote for Romney"? Prohibited.
Standing at the podium of the convention and saying "Vote for Romney"? Not prohibited.

***edited for spelling.

FSogol

(47,646 posts)
48. I recommend you check with the IRS. Their analysis is different thant yours.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:42 PM
Aug 2012

Plus he is there as an official representative of that Church. He can lead all the prayers he wants, but when he says vote for Romney, he is in the wrong.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
52. You might want to take a look at the examples in the article
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:47 PM
Aug 2012
http://clergytaxlaw.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/clarifying-the-irs-rules-about-endorsing-candidates-from-the-pulpit/

The examples were provided by the IRS.

You are flat out wrong - clergy are certainly permitted to endorse candidates and parties without endangering their church's tax exempt status. They can't do it from the pulpit, but they can certainly do it.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
66. Then I suggest you work with your elected reps
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

to change the IRS regulations, because as they stand now, this is in no way a violation.

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
13. Guess what
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:51 PM
Aug 2012

"Cardinal Dolan’s appearance in Tampa will damage the church’s ability to be a moral and legitimate voice for voiceless, as those who view the Catholic Church as being a shill for the GOP have just a bit more evidence to prove their case.”


Too late...the church has already lost all credibility, especially Dolan the "Milwaukee Payoff Bishop"!!!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
15. Is God a US citizen? Where is his long form birth certificate?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:52 PM
Aug 2012

If he isn't, he doesn't have a right to vote.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
30. I Don't See Why
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:14 PM
Aug 2012

god would vote at all. Can't he make whatever he wants happen? If I were god, I surely would not worry about registering and making sure I have ID. I would MAKE IT HAPPEN however I wanted.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
47. He was born in Kenya, or close to it,
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

'cuz that's where humans evolved and started making up stories about gods 'n' deities 'n' such.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. That's what I was wondering, and what state is he registered to vote in?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:22 PM
Aug 2012

(of course I am sure "their" god is male).

God, Dolan is the most miserable, bitter, hateful looking bastard, isn't he? Well, as long as he's spreading the love of "God".

riverbendviewgal

(4,396 posts)
20. I was raised a catholic
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:02 PM
Aug 2012

but no longer consider myself a catholic

My favorite priest as a young child ...left the church to marry.

My favorite nun also left the church.

My friend's brother was abused and molested by priests as a child.


I have no respect for the catholic church. It has actually made me distrust and lose respect for religion.

History has taught me that religion has been a murderer of many people only for the benefit of the religions. it is all about money and power.

cardinal Dolan is an asshole.

barbtries

(31,325 posts)
28. i like that.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:13 PM
Aug 2012

very much. i may quote you if you don't mind, i don't want to forget it.

Fresh_Start

(11,366 posts)
21. Its great that the GOP wants someone who paid pedophiles to coverup their crimes
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

against altar boys to speak for them.
Its almost truth in lending...we steal from the poor to coverup our crimes.

mysuzuki2

(3,580 posts)
23. I think it is entirely appropriate for the repubs to have Dolan
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:06 PM
Aug 2012

a well-known apologist for pedophilia, speak at their convention.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
25. And this was decided before or after they conferred with him on where to hide
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:06 PM
Aug 2012

the pedophiles?

lastlib

(28,458 posts)
31. If God votes, does His vote get counted on a Diebold machine?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:14 PM
Aug 2012

Does He have a photo ID? Is He a US citizen? And a resident? Are we sure he's over 18? Have we seen His birth certificate?

I'm just a bit leery here, help me out.....

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
33. So they get a zero vote.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
Aug 2012

Considering that there is no such thing as a god.

Magic isn't real, you pompous ass.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. Not all the time, I'm pretty sure.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
Aug 2012

My family belong to a rather conservative parish.

We enjoy attending Mass at a local Jesuit chapel.

There's a big difference in what the youngsters hear.

The message they remember is the same, "God is Love."

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
35. Has anyone told God about voter fraud?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:34 PM
Aug 2012

Um, God....you DID know that it is a felony to be unregistered while voting republican right? The republicans are VERY concerned about voter fraud these days so you will need to get an I.D. card and in order to get that you will have to bring in your Birth Certificate and...um...hmmm...well Sir, there could be a problem with getting you registered.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
37. The fascination with fascism continues
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:49 PM
Aug 2012

Not surprising from a church that called the Spanish Civil War a “crusade.”

Blue Idaho

(5,500 posts)
39. Oh no she doesn't!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012

But the guy with the dog collar gets his marching orders from an unelected foreign ruler.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
43. we could have a christian/mormon bishop as the president of the united states?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:06 PM
Aug 2012

it`s time to tax the catholic church and the mormon church.

i know it would only happen in an alternate universe.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
62. Not sure what your problem is
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aug 2012

He said Christian/Mormon, and that's what I responded to. Don't like it? Tough.



 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
53. Fine, IRS, revoke all organized religion tax exemption
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:49 PM
Aug 2012

and let them pay to preach lies to their congregation.

And be taxed at 95% rate.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
57. Can't damage the church more than
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

the pedophile priests have. It's a wonder the Vatican is still functioning.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
59. he has no business representing any god... he's a political right wing dick-tator
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

that is all

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