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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:28 PM Mar 2019

I'm losing faith in America ever recovering.

Seeing the enormous amount of defense of Trump all over social media and around the country. The fact that Trump has committed more crimes than anyone in history with no consequences. The entire Republican party is complicit. McConnell is putting so many far-right extremists on the federal courts, our rights are going to be eliminated.


I'm just having a hard time being positive about all this. If I had the means, I'd be leaving this country now.

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zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. It'll take time
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:30 PM
Mar 2019

But I think the constitution has a fatal flaw in it that will be our downfall.
Every state shouldn't get 2 senators regardless of population.
In about 20 years, 70% of the senate will be controlled by 30% of the population.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
3. If the current investigations continue to develop political momentum,
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:49 PM
Mar 2019

and that will 'take time' and patience, we can correct many important flaws.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. That is a tough one. However, women can vote and continue to gain strength.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:59 PM
Mar 2019

Slavery was the nation's biggest economic engine.

Britain had its entrenched 'Rotten Borough' . . . unentrenched?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Go back and read about how Nixon was re-elected with the biggest majority in history...
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:48 PM
Mar 2019

and how he was disgraced soon after.

We have survived the Depression, Civil War, labor riots, Jim Crow, McCarthy, Father Coughlan,and so many other things. Far from perfect, we have an inner strength that makes itself known at the damnedest times.

The only real difference between now and 1861 is Facebook, and even that is just an extension of rumor mills and fake news that were going on back then.

Cheer up!

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. . . . and Robber Barons, Hitler, ReaganHood, Gingrich, putin.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

Historical perspective is . . . somewhat reassuring.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
7. I don't see how it does. Climate change is breathing down our necks, the courts are already stacked.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:04 PM
Mar 2019

I don't see anyone doing anything about any of it. Small thinking isn't going to get us anywhere and the Pukes are going to fight tooth and nail to stop any change and centrists aren't going to go big enough to turn the tide.

Polly Hennessey

(6,794 posts)
8. 1787 - Constitutional Convention
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:19 PM
Mar 2019

Contentious debate over state representation. There were two plans: the Virginia Plan and the New Jersey Plan. The Great Compromise: each state would get two senators and House of Representatives would be determined by population. Small states feared their voices would be drowned out which is why there are only two senators from each state. California and North Dakota are equal. Sigh 😔

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
13. It was never the plan
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:49 PM
Mar 2019

There were 13 colonies. Giving each state two senators didn't mean that the minority of the population could control 70% of the senate. Truth is, it would have been very hard for the minority to control the senate at all. It was supposed to give them a larger "voice" within government, to avoid the "tyranny of the majority". But I think history has proven that as the country expanded, it gave a fatally outsized voice to a minority. This is what lead to a civil war. I'm not sure what's going to happen this time.

 

BostonBlue

(53 posts)
9. I hate to agree but it's over. The Genie is out of the bottle.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:22 PM
Mar 2019

I'll be dead when it happens but civil war is coming.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
16. My sentiments exactly
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:05 PM
Mar 2019

We may lose but for a great majority it won’t be because we gave up without a fight.

If that happened in our history we would still have slavery and only white men would be voting.

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