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Professor Tribe calls it - (Original Post) DURHAM D Mar 2019 OP
K&R, uponit7771 Mar 2019 #1
Agree w Tribe. "Blameless life"? Not a chance. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #2
He and his family have been thugs for decades protecting their family business. George II Mar 2019 #57
Yep. triron Mar 2019 #3
If average Joe you or I were convicted, he'd make an example out of us as traitors. ffr Mar 2019 #4
Benedict Arnold did not have the right friends. keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #8
Or FUX News. Nixon woul have gotten away with his crimes if FUX was around. OMGWTF Mar 2019 #22
+ 1,000,000. calimary Mar 2019 #60
+1+ Chin music Mar 2019 #34
Not surprised a bit! We all knew about this particular judge long ago. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #5
I think Manafort's lawyers knew all along it would be a light sentence FakeNoose Mar 2019 #47
Because they can. That is all. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #6
Tribe nails it .. as usual! ananda Mar 2019 #7
I think of Khalif Browder on days like this ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #9
Truth. snacker Mar 2019 #18
Wasn't that kid in a prison in Upstate N.Y.? Chin music Mar 2019 #33
Yup Richers Island ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #44
We failed that kid. Chin music Mar 2019 #50
Well, this judge needs a little investigation himself. TNNurse Mar 2019 #10
👍 Yes! Duppers Mar 2019 #12
Well, he's 78 so maybe his Maker will soon be judging him for his "blameless life." Texin Mar 2019 #54
I agree. All of this crap needs to be unmasked. KPN Mar 2019 #55
K&R gademocrat7 Mar 2019 #11
We can expect more BS like his after the reThug's massive approval of TheRump's judicial picks. brandnewday2009 Mar 2019 #13
IJust he shit he pulled while he was awaiting sentencing was worth twice that amount of jail time world wide wally Mar 2019 #14
I'd put it in a different way... SergeStorms Mar 2019 #15
K&R, Judge Ellis sentenced Rep Bill Jefferson***A BLACK MAN*** to 13 yrs for white collar crimes. uponit7771 Mar 2019 #16
+1. dalton99a Mar 2019 #27
If you have the money for a great defense team & have friends in high places yaesu Mar 2019 #17
Backpfeifengesicht GeorgeGist Mar 2019 #19
Great word, thanks. Ponietz Mar 2019 #24
Looks somewhat like Pence. keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #30
Racist Piece of Shit JI7 Mar 2019 #39
Days like this, I can only hope there is a hell that he can rot in for eternity UpInArms Mar 2019 #45
Thank You, Sir. spanone Mar 2019 #20
Disgusting. yardwork Mar 2019 #21
I was going to say that yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #59
A Public Defender client of mine got 11 years because she wrote $750 in worthless checks Ponietz Mar 2019 #23
Piece of shit is 78 years old dalton99a Mar 2019 #28
Time for the Special Council to charge him with a bunch more crimes. Ligyron Mar 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Mar 2019 #26
Got a question for the legal eagles among us peggysue2 Mar 2019 #29
The individual judge in the second case DURHAM D Mar 2019 #40
Thanks for the heads up, Durham! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #41
Thanks for question and reply. :) Hortensis Mar 2019 #49
Judge Jackson in DC gets to decide that. OliverQ Mar 2019 #51
Unfit to serve. That about sums him up! FM123 Mar 2019 #31
I'm with TRIBE. Chin music Mar 2019 #32
The Trump candidacy and presidency have exposed these kinds of people for wiggs Mar 2019 #35
Lawrence O just read Professor Tribes tweet on air. nt DURHAM D Mar 2019 #36
question question question orleans Mar 2019 #37
Probably because they knew that asshole Ellis would do the opposite. nt DURHAM D Mar 2019 #38
They cited the guidelines 17-24 years and no mitigating acts bigbrother05 Mar 2019 #46
I'm with Tribe duforsure Mar 2019 #42
We cant wait another two years. The destruction is daily. Chin music Mar 2019 #53
I'm disappointed with the progress in the face KPN Mar 2019 #56
I thought of that too. But, are we Patriots who love our beloved Country by doing that? Chin music Mar 2019 #58
They say nobody is above the law. pressbox69 Mar 2019 #43
Thank you, Dr. Tribe. Ellis IS unfit to serve. Hortensis Mar 2019 #48
Prof. Tribe is correct Gothmog Mar 2019 #52
Good for you Tribe... BlueJac Mar 2019 #61
K&R, thanks for posting red dog 1 Mar 2019 #62
Perfect example of "justice" in America for the rich and treasonous GOPers workinclasszero Mar 2019 #63

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
2. Agree w Tribe. "Blameless life"? Not a chance.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 08:45 PM
Mar 2019

His crimes go back more than a decade.

He continued criminal activity from within jail.

He gamed the Foreign Agents registration requirements many times over, registering after the fact as if it was overlooked by mistake. Once, maybe. His number of times is a pattern and he even advised others to do the same.

Well, he faces more sentencing in other courts. He's not done yet.

ffr

(23,393 posts)
4. If average Joe you or I were convicted, he'd make an example out of us as traitors.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:09 PM
Mar 2019

But since this judge has probably spoken behind the scenes to some elites, Manafort gets a slap on the wrist.

You or I, however, would be flogged in public, have all our possessions taken away, and our names associated along side that of Benedict Arnold.

Disgraceful!

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
8. Benedict Arnold did not have the right friends.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:14 PM
Mar 2019

Benedict Arnold did not have the right friends.

Two generals... Flynn & Arnold

Gen Michael Flynn and Gen Benedict Arnold both started out as patriots who served their country well.

Arnold died a traitor in England.

He was not lucky enough to have a Donald Trump on his side.

BigmanPigman

(55,117 posts)
5. Not surprised a bit! We all knew about this particular judge long ago.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:09 PM
Mar 2019

He has always been an arrogant, grand standing, biased GOP bastard in court. Attorneys who have worked with him told us about the guy. This is what I expected.

Next week, however, is a different judge and we also know how she acts in a courtroom. Fortunately it is the opposite of today's judge. She is fair, just, normal, and gives appropriate sentences.

FakeNoose

(41,585 posts)
47. I think Manafort's lawyers knew all along it would be a light sentence
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:44 AM
Mar 2019

I think they shopped for this judge because he was going to be lenient. Not saying the judge is crooked exactly, but he's notoriously easy on these rich, old white-collar criminals. Well, a lot can happen in four years.



ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
9. I think of Khalif Browder on days like this
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:16 PM
Mar 2019

He was charged with stealing a backpack, was never prosecuted, and was in jail for three years while he awaited trial. The guards tortured him to such a degree that when he finally got free that he killed himself shortly afterwards. Meanwhile a judge determines that a man who was CONVICTED of over ten crimes is said to have led an otherwise blameless life. Mr. Browder was the one who followed a blameless life not the POS who tampered with witnesses. Thankfully, he still has charges in the Southern District of New York.

Chin music

(24,999 posts)
33. Wasn't that kid in a prison in Upstate N.Y.?
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:05 PM
Mar 2019

I remember that kid. Imagine the horror. My god.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
44. Yup Richers Island
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:19 AM
Mar 2019

He also said after he got out that the cops would come by his house and scare him as much as possible. His mother also died of grief shortly after he committed suicide. I remember him saying that dreaming was hell for him. That he could never escape what was done to him. All this for a young black man who was never convicted of any crime.

TNNurse

(7,539 posts)
10. Well, this judge needs a little investigation himself.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:17 PM
Mar 2019

Maybe should start with his finances.

Texin

(2,851 posts)
54. Well, he's 78 so maybe his Maker will soon be judging him for his "blameless life."
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:32 AM
Mar 2019

I'd originally told my husband that "somebody got to him." And, while that's very possible, after hearing more about this prick, I just decided it's he was just proudly waving his vanity White Male Privilege flag for all to see in that courtroom yesterday (and for months before). The prick was a Regan era appointee. That pretty much sums it up right there. He's been on that Virginia bench for decades on now, and no doubt rubbing elbows with the hoi polloi of Virginia, Maryland and D.C. for the duration. He sympathizes with Manafort and others like him because he IS HIM.

 

brandnewday2009

(287 posts)
13. We can expect more BS like his after the reThug's massive approval of TheRump's judicial picks.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:23 PM
Mar 2019

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
14. IJust he shit he pulled while he was awaiting sentencing was worth twice that amount of jail time
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:27 PM
Mar 2019

SergeStorms

(20,568 posts)
15. I'd put it in a different way...
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:45 PM
Mar 2019

but most of the words would be unfit for viewing by anyone under 18. Other than that I agree 100%.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
16. K&R, Judge Ellis sentenced Rep Bill Jefferson***A BLACK MAN*** to 13 yrs for white collar crimes.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:46 PM
Mar 2019

yaesu

(9,309 posts)
17. If you have the money for a great defense team & have friends in high places
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:53 PM
Mar 2019

you can get away with anything in this country.

UpInArms

(54,950 posts)
45. Days like this, I can only hope there is a hell that he can rot in for eternity
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:45 AM
Mar 2019

And, I hear that eternity is a very long time

Ponietz

(4,322 posts)
23. A Public Defender client of mine got 11 years because she wrote $750 in worthless checks
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:03 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:39 AM - Edit history (2)

The shrub jr., administration liked that so much they made the NM state sentencing judge, Lourdes Martinez, a federal magistrate.

The sentence reeks.
What a disgrace.
Ellis behaved like he wants a cabinet position.

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
25. Time for the Special Council to charge him with a bunch more crimes.
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:18 PM
Mar 2019

Grand Jury time again?

Response to DURHAM D (Original post)

peggysue2

(12,529 posts)
29. Got a question for the legal eagles among us
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 10:34 PM
Mar 2019

Who decides if the sentences are consecutive or concurrent? Is that by suggestion of the prosecutor's team or the individual judge in the second case?

Inquiring minds and all that.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
51. Judge Jackson in DC gets to decide that.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:03 AM
Mar 2019

Although consecutive sentences are rare for non-violent crimes.

wiggs

(8,803 posts)
35. The Trump candidacy and presidency have exposed these kinds of people for
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:09 PM
Mar 2019

who they are. They are emboldened to express their racism, misogyny, privilege, feeling of superiority with impunity. We need to remember who they are.

They. Don't. Care.

Shouldn't be a surprise anymore. We know 25% of the country cares more about which political 'club' they are in than principles, patriotism, their religion, truth, justice, and democracy. Stands to reason that some of them are judges and congresspersons.

Just another point of information that tells me these people see a way through this. They think they will come out on top, with no consequences. No question they have confidence, arrogance, a plan.

orleans

(36,907 posts)
37. question question question
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 11:16 PM
Mar 2019

"While Judge Ellis faulted Mr. Manafort for not apologizing for his criminal conduct, he also noted that the special counsel’s office had not requested a specific prison term."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/us/politics/paul-manafort-sentencing.html


why didn't the special counsel's office request a specific prison term??

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
46. They cited the guidelines 17-24 years and no mitigating acts
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:32 AM
Mar 2019

They documented how Manafort had violated his plea agreement and his attempted manipulation as factors that would justify a sentence at the high end.

A Reagan appointee who clearly disliked the whole special counsel process.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
42. I'm with Tribe
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:54 AM
Mar 2019

Just another example of a judge not capable of being fair and just and partisan. The American people will just be more motivated now to make sure trump and all republicans are voted out of office now. This sentence will backfire on them , and the American people who are the majority that voted against trump will show them who has the power with their votes. They can put out all the phony poll numbers they want, they will see much worse then what happened to them from the Mid Terms. This sentence shows the judges contempt for the rule of law . The American people by way of voting will show their contempt for trump and republicans trump law and order. This sentence will backfire on them.

Chin music

(24,999 posts)
53. We cant wait another two years. The destruction is daily.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:30 AM
Mar 2019

Mueller needs to get his pants on right and make a bold move soon. This can't continue to go on.

KPN

(17,368 posts)
56. I'm disappointed with the progress in the face
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:41 AM
Mar 2019

of further daily erosion and destruction of fundamental democratic values — and becoming disenchanted.

Frankly, I feel like I need to personally stop paying attention. It is just too damned depressing to watch our corrupt system in hyperdrive.

Chin music

(24,999 posts)
58. I thought of that too. But, are we Patriots who love our beloved Country by doing that?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:57 AM
Mar 2019

At this rate we are going to be turkey. It's happening on our watch. We have an obligation to tend to our nation. The rule is to give it to our children better than we found it.
They WANT us to stop watching. Imagine if trump went un-watched? We need to take the bull by the horns. Insist that the investigation be completed regardless and move on to the repercussions. Whatever they may be.
Coal ash pits kind of symbolize it for me. And Global Warming. Once they flood into water supplies and the globe is so hot we can't grow food, then what? We have to face it that some really hard choices are ahead. Find some leaders who agree, and get going.
I think it's the PERFECT time for President H Clinton to stand up and start leading as if she were the president. President Obama to start speaking out more forcibly. VPs Gore and Biden to start speaking truth. President B Clinton and President J carter to start talking out about how bad this is. Is that too much too ask? We have to get some stronger more vocal leaders bc Congress is extremely busy, and a lot wont speak too forcibly bc they are running for president as well. The gloves need to come off. a rabid hardcore 31% of this country is driving us off the rails and everyone is reluctant bc theyll be attacked and insulted by the right. Oh well. Put your big boy pants on and get going. The worse it's broke...the harder to fix...if ever.
If they won't do it then we better start figuring out a Citizens Corp who arent afraid and start making some noise. LOUD noise. The gop thinks they have scared everybody into submission out of threat of civil war etc. Not sure about you, but, if i have to lay it down again for my Country. i will.

pressbox69

(2,252 posts)
43. They say nobody is above the law.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:05 AM
Mar 2019

If Judge Ellis is supposed to be the law, it's obvious that even the lowest sewer rat is above the law.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Thank you, Dr. Tribe. Ellis IS unfit to serve.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:56 AM
Mar 2019

Shocking to realize that people like this have lifetime appointments; his beginning in 1987 has resulted in over 1000 decisions. Wikipedia says he also occasionally "sits by designation on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit."

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
63. Perfect example of "justice" in America for the rich and treasonous GOPers
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mar 2019

The American public can see very clearly now how these rich treasonous dogs get away with murder!

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