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stopbush
(24,396 posts)Augiedog
(2,548 posts)the bastard under the jail.
cstanleytech
(26,305 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Moral Compass
(1,523 posts)Our system of justice is a travesty...
This judge should be hounded from the bench....
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)spanone
(135,855 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)slumcamper
(1,606 posts)COL Mustard
(5,913 posts)Unbelievable, especially since Manafort didnt even apologize for what he did.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Was also the Judge in the William Jefferson case. Congressman Jefferson famously was found to have stored cash in his freezer. His charge was the same as one of the charges against Manafort. Jefferson got 13 years (and was released after 5 years). Judge Ellis was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
SunSeeker
(51,587 posts)I'm sure Jefferson didn't have $15 Million in his freezer, while Manafort ADMITTED in Ellis' case that he stole $15 Million from US taxpayers via he tax fraud. Yet Ellis gave Jefferson 3 times the sentence he gave Manafort. Racist much?
triron
(22,008 posts)SunSeeker
(51,587 posts)SunSeeker
(51,587 posts)triron
(22,008 posts)not even a Trump supporter. Judge Ellis is clearly a Trumper.
NJCher
(35,698 posts)And 47 months is just short of 4 years. That puts him at 73 if he served his full sentence, which he won't because of good time. I don't know what good time is in the federal system, but I think it's generally about 60%, sometimes 50%. So figure that he'll be out around age 72-73. Still a pretty good age and plenty of years left to enjoy.
However, I understand there are other sentences awaiting him. Will they be concurrent or consecutive? I think that's up to the next judge.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Since he knew there were other rounds of sentencing coming up, this was his only opportunity to "cushion" Manafort.
Not that it's right, but if Manafort receives another 4-10 years on top of that, that is a long time for a criminally-well-deserving 70-year-old man for a non-violent crime.
I was glad to hear there were multi-million dollar fines imposed as well, and that's where it will hit hard since he will probably (if we're lucky) never "work" again.
NJCher
(35,698 posts)I was thinking along the same line: cushion. However, I think we can see this morning (with the outrage this sentence has caused) his cushion could backfire.
Now the judicial system and sentencing in particular is in the eye of the public. The two-tier system of justice, with white collar crimes and street level crimes being treated differently result in racial discrimination.
His multi-million dollar fines do count for a lot, but the damage he and his ilk caused to democracy is almost incalculable. They push the envelope using free speech as their cover when they know full well what they are doing--manipulating the not so bright and the dysfunctional members of our society (of which there are many).
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)How his fellow inmates will react when they find out about his ultra-light sentence. Especially those who are doing much longer terms for crimes that are much less heinous.
Not wishing harm on anyone, but the term justice takes on a whole new dimension behind bars. When the guards arent looking.
bedazzled
(1,767 posts)Blue Owl
(50,453 posts)Nitram
(22,843 posts)PatrickforO
(14,585 posts)I guess he who has the most money gets the most justice, eh?