Attack the GOP for creeping FASCISM like they attack us for creeping socialism!

[tableturner]

They have already begun the mantra of creeping socialism as their method of attempting to scare the voters away from our party. I must say that, as always, they are doing a great job of being highly coordinated and out in force pushing and pushing this line of attack. That's how they win elections. They push and push and push, and they repeat and repeat and repeat......and what they say eventually becomes fact to a sizeable portion of the electorate.

We should be doing the same thing with creeping "fascism/death of the rule of law" as an issue. Of course we aren't doing that at this point, and with whatever tac we eventually take, we almost certainly won't be as tough, won't be as coordinated, and won't be as constant as the GOP's attacks on us. We never are, are we?

Right now, too many in our party are doing the usual "scared of their own shadow routine". You know.....for example....."we had better not be too tough on Trump's adult children", two of whom work at the top of our government and have top security clearances, or "we will be seen as too tough and too ready to attack". Meanwhile, they constantly attack us with false garbage in as vile a manner as possible.

I can't stand them, but I admire the GOP's discipline. I wish we had it. Since their top people are CONSTANTLY attacking us with the socialism label, why can't our top people CONSTANTLY attack them with the fascism label?

They are in the middle of an overt effort to fascistically rule America:

1. Trump and crew are acting in an authoritarian/fascist manner right out in the open.
2. The overwhelming percentage of the GOP in both houses are right out in the open trying to kill the rule of law and allow Trump to break the law with impunity.
3. They are aligning with a Russian led international movement that is comprised of a collection of authoritarian/fascist leaning despots.
4. They fascistically prevent certain groups of Americans from voting, which helps to steal elections.
5. Because of stolen elections (thanks to voter suppression and Russian interference) and their fascistic blockage of our judicial appointments, they are setting up a judiciary that will certainly try to force eighty percent of Americans to live according to the fundamentalist Christian dogma of twenty percent of Americans.

I don't think we should be worried about looking "too strident" when dealing with these people!

[brush]

1. Now you're talking. Creeping fascism is right.

We should go all in with that message as it's right before our eyes and provable.

[mr_lebowski]

2. +1000 Hear freaking Hear!!! (nt)

[Chin music]

3. Absolutely right.

[onit2day]

13. Agreed. I will lead with this. "Socialism? more worried about this fascist take over"

[Chin music]

15. A ripe reply.

[GulfCoast66]

4. Agree and one clarification: they are trending fascists.

But we are not socialist! So again we have truth on our side.

[onit2day]

16. We are all Democratic Socialist already. Look at all our socialist programs

I'm an FDR socialist. We all partake of libraries, national highways, min wage, fire and police departments, free public education VA, national parks, Medicare, Medicaid, SS, etc etc etc. We are all "Democratic" socialist as we voters decide what programs we all share in and our tax dollars pay for. I suggest we don't get caught up in defining the term but just instead point to all our socialist programs and ask any trying to make it sound negative "which of these socialist programs do you not like?".

[CrossingTheRubicon]

23. You can't claim FDR as a socialist. That's pure BS.

Libraries, national highways, the minimum wage, fire and police departments, free public education VA, national parks, Medicare, Medicaid, SS, etc. are NOT SOCIALISM.

These are liberal Democratic achievements that can't be stolen from our party.

Echoing right-wing talking points by conflating infrastructure, social programs and public services with socialism is dishonest and counterproductive to our cause.

[GulfCoast66]

25. Nothing you mentioned is Socialism.

Unless you want the government(collective) ownership of the means of production(business and industry) then no matter what you call yourself, you are not a socialist.

The term was defined over 100 years ago. Democrats who call supporting social democratic programs in a capitalist system are just plain wrong.

[pecosbob]

5. The problem is that fully forty percent of the country would welcome absolute fascism

Know why there never more than two thousand Gestapo Agents to control the entire German population? It was because the German people were perfectly willing to point out anyone that was different or suspicious or complained about anything or looked Jewish or Gypsy or homosexual. They didn't need a lot of police.

[riverine]

6. Absolutely true! But they have the good sense not to call themselves "fascists"

unlike some Democrats who call themselves socialist.

[onit2day]

17. You mean like some socialists who call themselves democrats? Best to hide huh.

[lostnfound]

9. The other problem is people weren't trained to dislike fascists in elementary school

Most don’t even know what it is.

[onit2day]

18. Not in the midwest. We paid no attention to socialism but we all knew what fascists were.

Nazis, Mussolini, Brown shirts.

[lostnfound]

35. Yet.. Scott Walker, Brownback, Paul Ryan...?

Somehow the Koch brother / tea party ideology got a foothold

[tableturner]

10. You're correct, so we work the other sixty percent!

[2naSalit]

7. K&R

[malaise]

8. Great post

Rec

[uponit7771]

11. The right loves socialism ... for the rich

[yonder]

12. Excellent frame and why not? Stick it back in their faces.

[certainot]

14. good messaging but they have the volume - democrats can't message shit while ignoring talk radio

they've got 1500 think tank-coordinated radio stations (russian too) doing 15 hrs a day, paid for by idiot advertisers who all need to be asked why they support trump and global warming - and democrats have ignored it for 30 years.

we're so stupid about it that we let 88 universities support 260 limbaugh stations

fix that and the fascists have no advantage

[onit2day]

19. Thanks for the link.

[VOX]

22. Excellent link!

Thank you!

[tableturner]

30. Can't REALLY do anything about talk radio. CAN raise the frequency and volume of our attacks!

[certainot]

34. radio offers by far the best opportunity for offense and change - and the easiest

and it has to happen - it makes democracy impossible as is. a few hundred think tank scripted liars on 1500 radio stations reaching 50 ,mil a week. ignoring that has been the biggest political mistake in history and progressive orgs are incredibly irresponsible and wasting donations and volunteerism by ignoring it.

artificial intelligence just made it much easier and cheaper to digitize talk radio so it can be read and studied- until that happens everyone's studying fish without water.

companies can easily be associated with the content they sponsor and as soon as the left mounts any long overdue challenge to it the radio advertising industry will have to start asking clients if they really want to support trump and global warming denial. that will apply real market demand to the talk radio monopoly and will destroy it, opening up stations for liberal talkers.

boycotts of all rw radio advertisers and protests at the 88 universities broadcasting sports on 260 limbaugh stations would also do it - one or two discussing the possibility of looking ffor apolitical alternatives will freak the gop out and advertiseers will head for the hills. once a few schools start it others will follow.

any or all that will destroy the rw radio monopoly - the most important tool trump has for keeping those senators from voting for impeachment

[VOX]

20. Agreed, and have thought the same about fascism and the rule of law.

The challenge lies in getting the repeated messaging into viewers’ heads. Tough to do when you don’t have a dedicated “news” outlet 24/7 (MSNBC seems too polite and too brainy, and “preaches to the crowd.”)

But yes, repeat the message as often as possible!

[tableturner]

31. Get the message out via repeated, coordinated campaign with Democratic officials and surrogates!

The GOP does it, so can we!

[VOX]

32. True! Repetition and unified messaging are paramount.

And no more infighting!

[tableturner]

33. Definitely agree about no more infighting!

[lunatica]

21. I can get behind that!

It’s actually true.

[Duppers]

24. Yes!

Do racists like being called racist? No.
Do fascists like being called fascist? No.

I vote to stick it to them. I very much agree that we shouldn't "be worried about looking 'too strident' when dealing with these people!"

Btw, Madeleine Albright wrote an op-ed in the New York Times last year that she thinks fascism is coming.

Let's call it what it is!

Thanks, tableturner.

[beachbum bob]

26. you are assuming they have a problem with "creeping fascism", in fact, they do not

they want absolute power and control.

[tableturner]

28. Of course fascists want fascism, power, and control, but the rest of us don't!

We are not going to turn the fascist leaning elements around. But they try to hide it, and they rely on our pusillanimous reactions and their own obfuscations to be successful at hiding it. We need a concerted campaign to tell the truth.....a campaign that tells the truth about them, using the same devices they use to lie about us!

We need a non-stop fusillade of facts to counter their lies.

[beachbum bob]

29. you assume people want the truth. The GOP and their supporters do not nor need the truth. The rest

of us do BUT for too long too many were apathetic and its the major reason we find ourselves with the likes of trump, foxnews and the rush limbaughs.

[duforsure]

27. Fascist and hate groups

Are the face of the former republican party and for trump now, and yes they should be having every Democrat going on tv accusing them of it openly , and not hiding it anymore. That's what they are. They want to demonize socialists now when they take government money in their businesses more than anyone else, like golf clubs and building projects, yet want other to think its Democrats only. Also the Dems need to say they want to take your Social Security and all other programs now, and already started taking just under 2 trillion out of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to pay for the wealthy tax windfall for themselves.

[JCMach1]

36. It's not creeping,it's fascism

The trouble is people meme the third Reich when you use the term... Trump is NOT Hitler, but he is an anti-democratic fascist

[tableturner]

37. I agree on that.

[spanone]

38. Creeping? I think it's galloping toward us.