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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Scarborough's opinion piece in WP took me by surprise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-presidency-will-be-hailed-as-transformative-trumps-will-be-viewed-with-scorn/2019/03/19/c4ba3742-4a7c-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?utm_term=.95dac6d6e72dI disagreed with Obama. But what Trump has done makes those differences insignificant.
The shocking conclusion to the 2016 campaign made millions of Americans, including me, look foolish for believing that Obamas victories in 2008 and 2012 had proved that the United States had emerged from the scourge of racism infecting it for more than four centuries. I remain shocked that this strain of bigotry still fuels the political careers of Trump and his enablers on Capitol Hill.
Thats why any policy differences I had with Obama now seem so insignificant. Americans who still have faith in the upward arc of Kings moral universe should be grateful for Obamas presidency and the way his election exposed the white racism that is still at large in our land. If changing the Constitution and reelecting Obama two more times would break the fever that now ravages Trumps Washington, I would cheerfully champion the passage of that constitutional amendment, slap a Hope and Change sticker on my shirt, and race to the nearest voting booth to support the man historians will remember as the most significant president since Abraham Lincoln.
Coventina
(26,808 posts)He did nothing but tear down Obama for 8 years....as did all Repukes. His attitude is what allowed Trump an in, people who were pissed off that a black man was president.
Until he takes ownership of that, he can STFU. I don't want to hear it.
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rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Probably opposes Trump for ratings any way.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)why would you post? To say he's a "repug" shows you're not up on things.
comradebillyboy
(10,114 posts)years and gave millions of dollars worth of free air time. Schmoe is a hypocritical piece of shit and his feigned moderation is a ruse to try and lessen his complicity in the Trump presidency.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)since, because they do know dirt on him. It's like they dare Drumpf to saying anything because they can really spill dirt on him.
Mika is still Democratic in thought and she was never for him as president.
The best shows are when Joe is not there - he acts like he is drunk and is as big a narcissist as Drumpf - Mika and Willie Geist (sp?) are great at asking real questions and having a calm show, showing knowledge on the topics. Joe interrupts when he is bored and expects everyone to kiss his butt and agree with him on everything.
Thursdays are best day to watch - Joe is generally not there.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Even if Bill Maher has one I'll FF passed them. I've learned to ignore Ann Coulter, almost. She lives to piss off liberals.
DownriverDem
(6,187 posts)Do you watch it? Do you know who he has on on a regular basis?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)None of these Repugs get to distance themselves. None of them.
DownriverDem
(6,187 posts)Morning Joe attacks trump. It's been going on for 2 years at least. Most of the guests are journalists, commentators and Dems. There are hardly any repubs. My point is these are not normal times. I welcome the help of everyone to save our country.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)there is not a Democratic equivalent - all republican/former republicans. In fact, now that the glamour has faded on Democrats winning back the House, there are less to none on Democratic commentators the last month or so.
I tape it every morning just to see what the other side is taking about. I try to stick in there until the Concern Trolling starts with the pearl clutching - what, oh what, are the Democrats going to do??? How in the world can they win the Presidency????
As if the Democratic party has never been in the majority ever in the last 100 years, ala Turd Blossom. That's when I delete the recording and move on.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)He and his MSNBC colleagues helped in very significant ways to elect the "Esteemed" Mr. Trump with their Breathless 24/7 Breaking Noise "Trump Just Ate A Cheese Sandwich" Coverage of his campaign and antics.
Thank You Very Much Joe.... Now Go Away.
Baitball Blogger
(46,532 posts)air time prior to the election, therefore giving Trump a push.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I doubt that he really cares one way or the other.
I don't watch any of the Cable Noise Media as it's either Propaganda (Fox) or Infotainment (CNN & MSNBC).
rzemanfl
(29,523 posts)While we put up with his shit sandwich 24/7? F**k!
He got the mine and we got the shaft. He played the media like a fiddle during the campaign.
William Seger
(10,726 posts)... this is now, and anything that damages Trump now is a Good Thing.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This is getting old, the rounds of people claiming that Joe Scarborough helped get Trump elected. Uh...no. That's false.
Trump made the rounds, as did all candidates of significance, to the different talk shows. Including MJ. Joe cut him off end of 2015, I think it was, and refused to have him on, any more. Mainly the lies and the name calling, as I recall.
That's what later prompted Trump to tweet about Mika's cosmetic surgery ("blood all over her face" . He was mad at them for refusing to let him on their show again and then criticize him.
If you watched the show, you'd know all this. There's much, much more. MJ was helpful in pointing out Trump's huge flaws, since it was the #2 morning show in the country, watched by millions every day. Including me. I saw it all, or heard it, as I got ready for work.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)of somebody and some other party!
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)was in large part a reaction to the first AA POTUS.
I heard racist remarks from long-time Dems because Obama is a black man. Some of the language, including the "N" word, shocked he hell out of me because some held such ugly beliefs...suddenly out in the open and "allowed" for the first time.
IMO, my opinion as an elderly white female who worked for voting rights starting in the 1960s, racism has been hidden for a long, long time and once Obama was elected, the reaction built and the Orange Asshole made it OK to be a racist POS-pig, just like he is.
jcgoldie
(11,566 posts)There is no greater affront to white privilege than a black president. It brought all that hate and insecurity simmering under the surface to a froth.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I just bubbled and boiled over.
The spew was horrific and sickening. I lost respect for so many people who said things I cannot even repeat as examples of what white privilege sounds like.
Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,571 posts)They said this also happened after WWII when African-Americans came back from the war and were able to care for their families better and move into better homes.
It was this attitude of "How dare he not know his place? How dare he not stay in his place?" towards President Obama. And it crossed party lines; it was everywhere.
They called it a "Primal White Scream", I think. And I think they mentioned it in their recent podcast about Brexit and Tangeranus. I'll see if I can find it.
True Blue American
(17,968 posts)Getting filthy email after email from a retired Southern Baptist Preacher.
Finally his daughter had the nerve to tell him, that is not true, Dad.
I had told him several times to take me off his list. They finally stopped.
Funny thing is he was a caring man,other wise.
Just one more reason I left that Church.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)in '08. Knocked on some dem doors who openly admitted they either couldn't or didn't know if they could vote for a black man.
Wounded Bear
(58,362 posts)it was suppressed in some ways, sure, but it never really went away. It was growing more and more open as the Obama era progressed. Obama derangement syndrome metastisized in to a cancer that has exposed the Repub party for what it has been since Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)as it seems to be after Obama and now with tRump in the WH.
I was shocked when I heard a man I had known for years used the "N" word in my presence. His wife was appalled and was embarrassed as all hell. The husband was not the least bit concerned and frankly did not seem to notice how his wife and I felt as he spewed birther crap.
I have to say that people I had known for years said and did things that made me realize that they down deep were bigots of the worse kind.
Maybe I was naive, but some of what I heard shocked me -- a lot due to the fact that some had hidden their true feelings very well.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)More recently it masqueraded as the "Christian right", the low tax movement, the tea party. If you look at the basic beliefs of each of those groups, you see racial hatred set firmly as their base.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)And especially applicable to the Religious right...which is neither.
GeorgeGist
(25,293 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)StevieM
(10,499 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)paper bag, she is a smart woman and of course a lawyer. I see nothing gained by not going on any and every show that you can. It's not like it was Faux news. That fuck went on everything he could and he called into shows constantly and he was always available. UGH.
StevieM
(10,499 posts)Joe and Mika weren't playing fair. They were lying every single day. They even claimed that she invented birtherism, and held up John Heilmann as an "expert" on the Obama/Clinton race in order to prove it. And they were telling that lie before Trump was.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)True Blue American
(17,968 posts)Joe Scarborough was at the head of the line in Congress going across the street to interview Monica at her hotel! The whole blanking bunch giggling like naughty school boys looking at pictures in a dirty book.
Joe has been divorced twice since then and he and Mika only got married after Trmp thratened to expose their affair in the Enquirer. That is when the animosity started with their , Dear friend, Donald!
Vinca
(50,150 posts)They fawned over Don like he was their favorite pet orangutan. He called in almost every morning and got free campaign advertising. Screw Scarborough and his regrets.
True Blue American
(17,968 posts)True Blue American
(17,968 posts)To expose their affair in the Enquirer.
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)I miss the thoughtful, intelligent, steady handed leadership with compassion.
Obama really offered hope to millions of people not just in the US but also around the world.
dalton99a
(80,900 posts)He doesn't give a shit about Democrats
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's so great that the Washington Post finally (finally!) offered a platform to Joe Scarborough. How could the American people ever have access to the piercing insight and keen intellect of this man if the Post didn't give him some prime journalistic real estate? The Post should have a regular, rotating op-ed spot for Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly. America needs to hear the voices of superannuated rich white men.
harumph
(1,854 posts)"superannuated" love it.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,038 posts)but as soon as a repug is running for president again, he will support that nominee as long as the last name isn't tRump.
And btw Joe, your stupidity is showing since it took till NOW to understand how great a POTUS that President Obama was.
Midnight Writer
(21,469 posts)They love the agenda, they are just disgusted by the person.
orleans
(33,949 posts)can't take back the damage he helped to create
(enabler)
it's always so big of these guys when they say things like this to boost their ratings.
...puke
tclambert
(11,077 posts)Sometimes a comatose patient wakes up and becomes surprisingly alert for a little while shortly before dying. It's a bit more than a last gasp, as it can last for hours. It's almost like the body has given up on fighting for survival and shunts all available energy to one last period of consciousness.
In the case of racism, I hope the old white racists are trying to make one last attempt at being significant while the Trump era lasts and they can get away with it, then will fade into permanent insignificance when Trump is gone. I don't hold out hope that racism will ever completely disappear. But after Trump, I hope it will become accepted wisdom that racism is not OK.
Texin
(2,584 posts)It's not a one generational thing. It is perpetuated through each generation and more than likely reinforced by authoritarian religious dogma.
tclambert
(11,077 posts)My father used to make "colored people" jokes. I find that embarrassing. And my son finds that concept puzzling if not unthinkable.
I don't have any statistics to back me up, but I feel like the millenials care less about race than older people do.
llmart
(15,476 posts)I've seen it in my lifetime too.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Young evangelicals are leaving those types of churches, maybe because they went to school pretty much all their lives with people their parents hate, but use religion to justify the hate.
I am a firm believer in the old adage "It is always darkest before the dawn".
True Blue American
(17,968 posts)People are leaving, too. Very disgusted.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Churches are a congregation of people just like every gathering. They should limit their public discourse to appearing in public forums to explain their concerns about a proposed policy, other that that, they should limit their political activities to voter registration and advising their members to be sure to vote (without giving them an opinion on who to vote for). I think that rightwing churches becoming overtly political has pulled other churches into the fray, many drawn in to oppose the rightwingers.
PatSeg
(46,558 posts)"I would.........slap a 'Hope and Change' sticker on my shirt"??? Okay, I truly am living in Bizarro World!
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)I remember Joe and his fawning over Trump. Good ratings. Of course Trump was a joke, but he hit the ratings meter. So let him call in from his gold toilet! Great for Trump. "On the phone - Donald Trump!" while Trump is in his underwear taking a huge dump from his diet of Big Macs. It was all fun and games. After all, who could be stupid enough to vote for Donald Trump? Now that the worst has happened, and dislodging Trump from the White House is going to be like unclogging a toilet, Joe has regrets. Well, too little too late. But good to see he finally came around to what everyone knew before the election.
LakeArenal
(28,673 posts)WTF. You two faced butt.
PatrickforO
(14,479 posts)I will say I am happy Joe wrote this particular piece. Why? Because it helps NOW.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Cha
(295,513 posts)dajoki
(10,678 posts)any of those never trump repubs.
Wounded Bear
(58,362 posts)cilla4progress
(24,554 posts)on this thread.
There ought to be accountability for Scar and those like him. But, this being amerika, there won't be.
Dimwits.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)not to mention that racism is only one of MANY issues with trump
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)rainin
(3,010 posts)but accept them we must if we are to grow in numbers. We can't win by imposing a litmus test that requires you be with us from the beginning. A genuine mea culpa is a great start.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Obama 'evolving' on Gay Marriage?
onit2day
(1,201 posts)getagrip_already
(14,077 posts)The only reason he turned on trump is trump turned on him and his little lovie partner. He still shills gop talking points whenever he gets the chance.
He hasn't changed, he just got attacked personally when he ticked off trump and he went into attack mode.
JHB
(37,122 posts)Saying "I'd vote for Obama again" is empty, because that constitutional amendment wont happen, not anytime soon and likely never.
if you want to "reelect Obama", then do the next best thing: actively work against the party from whence you came. If you need to, cut the ties and burn the bridges, but those are ties and bridges to a cesspool of delusion and extremism anyway.
Stop dismissing liberals. We saw this a lot more clearly than you did, and much much earlier.
Squinch
(50,666 posts)No one gives a shit about those scales falling from your eyes! You're still stupid!
And I guarantee you will not learn from this.
elleng
(129,772 posts)From Stuart Eizenstat, re: I've Seen Civil War Destroy the Democrats Before. We Can't Let it Happen Again -
'The greatest gains were made by moderate Democrats capturing Republican districts.
A successful Democratic presidential candidate might take a leaf from Carters playbook, even more successfully accomplished by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, to appeal to both sides of the partys coalition to attract and hold moderate Americans tired of partisanshipAmericans who want the highest ethical standards in the White House, who will respect and strengthen the institutions that represent our valuesfrom the FBI to the press to our public schools. A successful candidate will eschew identity politics and want to unite Americans rather than divide the country into warring tribes, will strengthen, not weaken, our worldwide network of alliances, and will recognize there is a big country with its own problems that must be addressed between the two coasts.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=32591
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)For the first time I am a single issue voter:
For Trump or against Trump, nothing else matters to.
I will take Kristol, Scar, Frum and the rest to join in common cause. We may find that afterwards we can find greater common ground on taxes and deficits.
For now defeating Trump and as many Republican Senators and Congresspeople is the only so g in town. I don't care what octave they sing in or how long they have been singing it.
Just take Trump out.
The bigger the landslide the better.
I will take Kristol, Scar, Frum and the rest to join in common cause.
Just take Trump out.
machoneman
(3,941 posts)Would like to read the whole thing.
sinkingfeeling
(51,198 posts)Raastan
(266 posts)Term limits are not the problem nor the solution to our current political situation...
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I know how Scarborough feels about Trump, and an idea of how he feels about the current Republican Party. After all, Scarborough has left the Republican Party until they regain their senses. But I didn't know he felt this strongly. Good for him! This is a hard position to take, to put it in writing, for a conservative. Imagine a liberal taking the opposite position. How we'd all feel about that. No doubt the Republicans are going to rail against Scarborough to the utmost degree for eons.
Good article. Washington Post is getting its money's worth for hiring him as an opinion writer.
Chin music
(23,000 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)!!! Sorry...I've just read it so many times. So tiresome.
But yeah it's just THAT BAD that Joe had to go and say all that. And he's telling the truth about race in the country.
I for one will say THANKS FOR POSTING !!!
tulipsandroses
(5,070 posts)I'm paraphrasing but, He says " Al, when you've said or done something wrong, don't justify it, rectify it". So I'll take this as Joe trying to rectify what he did. Its a start. I'll take it. He's a republican. I get it. He may very well support the next republican that comes along. I am OK with that.
A lot of white folks are shocked at the level of racism that has been exposed. Meanwhile many black folks and other people of color are not shocked. Many people of color were told that they saw racism in everything when it wasn't there. It was always there.
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quickesst
(6,279 posts).... spends about 90% of his time on air eviscerating trump and his minions. He is no longer a republican, and spends a lot of this time lifting up Democrats. He has the capacity to change the mind's of republicans who are sitting on the fence and even leaning to the right.
Question for everyone: Who has done more using a mainstream media outlet , or through social media to bring the trump gang down, and champion Democrats for the upcoming election?
Answer: NOT YOU!!
Please, let me know if you have an audience of millions, and let me know if you expose the dirty side of the republican party to an audience of millions, and please, let me know if you have brought hundreds of Democrats on your show to champion the cause of the Democratic Party to the millions who make up Joe Scarborough's audience.
I didn't think so.