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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:56 AM

Joe Scarborough's opinion piece in WP took me by surprise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-presidency-will-be-hailed-as-transformative-trumps-will-be-viewed-with-scorn/2019/03/19/c4ba3742-4a7c-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?utm_term=.95dac6d6e72d

I disagreed with Obama. But what Trump has done makes those differences insignificant.

The shocking conclusion to the 2016 campaign made millions of Americans, including me, look foolish for believing that Obama’s victories in 2008 and 2012 had proved that the United States had emerged from the scourge of racism infecting it for more than four centuries. I remain shocked that this strain of bigotry still fuels the political careers of Trump and his enablers on Capitol Hill.

That’s why any policy differences I had with Obama now seem so insignificant. Americans who still have faith in the upward arc of King’s moral universe should be grateful for Obama’s presidency and the way his election exposed the white racism that is still at large in our land. If changing the Constitution and reelecting Obama two more times would break the fever that now ravages Trump’s Washington, I would cheerfully champion the passage of that constitutional amendment, slap a “Hope and Change” sticker on my shirt, and race to the nearest voting booth to support the man historians will remember as the most significant president since Abraham Lincoln.

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Reply Joe Scarborough's opinion piece in WP took me by surprise. (Original post)
sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 OP
Coventina Mar 2019 #1
rainin Mar 2019 #29
rickyhall Mar 2019 #41
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #51
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #56
Hestia Mar 2019 #81
rickyhall Mar 2019 #68
DownriverDem Mar 2019 #65
zentrum Mar 2019 #55
DownriverDem Mar 2019 #67
Hestia Mar 2019 #82
Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #2
Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #4
Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #9
rzemanfl Mar 2019 #6
Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #8
William Seger Mar 2019 #24
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #52
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #62
TruckFump Mar 2019 #3
jcgoldie Mar 2019 #5
TruckFump Mar 2019 #7
Hong Kong Cavalier Mar 2019 #17
True Blue American Mar 2019 #33
OhioBlue Mar 2019 #72
Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #46
TruckFump Mar 2019 #48
Blue_true Mar 2019 #54
TruckFump Mar 2019 #66
GeorgeGist Mar 2019 #10
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #61
StevieM Mar 2019 #69
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #70
StevieM Mar 2019 #71
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #73
True Blue American Mar 2019 #75
Vinca Mar 2019 #11
True Blue American Mar 2019 #34
True Blue American Mar 2019 #76
BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #12
dalton99a Mar 2019 #13
gratuitous Mar 2019 #14
harumph Mar 2019 #18
Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #15
Midnight Writer Mar 2019 #74
orleans Mar 2019 #16
tclambert Mar 2019 #19
Texin Mar 2019 #36
tclambert Mar 2019 #40
llmart Mar 2019 #49
Blue_true Mar 2019 #58
True Blue American Mar 2019 #77
Blue_true Mar 2019 #83
PatSeg Mar 2019 #20
extvbroadcaster Mar 2019 #21
LakeArenal Mar 2019 #22
PatrickforO Mar 2019 #23
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #31
Cha Mar 2019 #25
dajoki Mar 2019 #26
Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #47
cilla4progress Mar 2019 #27
AlexSFCA Mar 2019 #28
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #60
rainin Mar 2019 #30
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #32
onit2day Mar 2019 #35
getagrip_already Mar 2019 #37
JHB Mar 2019 #38
Squinch Mar 2019 #39
elleng Mar 2019 #42
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #59
grantcart Mar 2019 #63
elleng Mar 2019 #64
machoneman Mar 2019 #43
sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #44
Raastan Mar 2019 #45
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #50
Chin music Mar 2019 #53
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #57
tulipsandroses Mar 2019 #78
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:04 AM

1. He can STFU - AFAIAC

He did nothing but tear down Obama for 8 years....as did all Repukes. His attitude is what allowed Trump an in, people who were pissed off that a black man was president.

Until he takes ownership of that, he can STFU. I don't want to hear it.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:31 PM

41. MJ is still a damn repug.

Probably opposes Trump for ratings any way.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:31 PM

51. If you don't watch him regularly or know about him...

why would you post? To say he's a "repug" shows you're not up on things.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:31 PM

56. He and Meeka campaigned for Trump non stop for two

years and gave millions of dollars worth of free air time. Schmoe is a hypocritical piece of shit and his feigned moderation is a ruse to try and lessen his complicity in the Trump presidency.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 08:59 AM

81. They were friends until the Access Hollywood tape came out - then they have been on his back ever

since, because they do know dirt on him. It's like they dare Drumpf to saying anything because they can really spill dirt on him.

Mika is still Democratic in thought and she was never for him as president.

The best shows are when Joe is not there - he acts like he is drunk and is as big a narcissist as Drumpf - Mika and Willie Geist (sp?) are great at asking real questions and having a calm show, showing knowledge on the topics. Joe interrupts when he is bored and expects everyone to kiss his butt and agree with him on everything.

Thursdays are best day to watch - Joe is generally not there.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:09 PM

68. Better for my blood pressure if I don't watch repugs regularly

Even if Bill Maher has one I'll FF passed them. I've learned to ignore Ann Coulter, almost. She lives to piss off liberals.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 07:28 PM

65. Wrong

Do you watch it? Do you know who he has on on a regular basis?

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Response to Coventina (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:29 PM

55. Agree completely.

None of these Repugs get to distance themselves. None of them.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:04 PM

67. Every Morning

Morning Joe attacks trump. It's been going on for 2 years at least. Most of the guests are journalists, commentators and Dems. There are hardly any repubs. My point is these are not normal times. I welcome the help of everyone to save our country.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:07 AM

82. He/They have republican strategists on though as regular panel commentators -

there is not a Democratic equivalent - all republican/former republicans. In fact, now that the glamour has faded on Democrats winning back the House, there are less to none on Democratic commentators the last month or so.

I tape it every morning just to see what the other side is taking about. I try to stick in there until the Concern Trolling starts with the pearl clutching - what, oh what, are the Democrats going to do??? How in the world can they win the Presidency????

As if the Democratic party has never been in the majority ever in the last 100 years, ala Turd Blossom. That's when I delete the recording and move on.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:04 AM

2. Is Joe trying to reclaim some significance or redemption?

He and his MSNBC colleagues helped in very significant ways to elect the "Esteemed" Mr. Trump with their Breathless 24/7 Breaking Noise "Trump Just Ate A Cheese Sandwich" Coverage of his campaign and antics.


Thank You Very Much Joe.... Now Go Away.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:14 AM

4. He probably wrote it after they nailed him on his show for giving Trump too much

air time prior to the election, therefore giving Trump a push.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:29 AM

9. Possibly

I doubt that he really cares one way or the other.

I don't watch any of the Cable Noise Media as it's either Propaganda (Fox) or Infotainment (CNN & MSNBC).

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:21 AM

6. Drumph eats cheese sandwiches?

While we put up with his shit sandwich 24/7? F**k!

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:27 AM

8. Yup

He got the mine and we got the shaft. He played the media like a fiddle during the campaign.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:13 AM

24. Yes, exactly, but on the other hand

... this is now, and anything that damages Trump now is a Good Thing.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:34 PM

52. No, he didn't.

This is getting old, the rounds of people claiming that Joe Scarborough helped get Trump elected. Uh...no. That's false.

Trump made the rounds, as did all candidates of significance, to the different talk shows. Including MJ. Joe cut him off end of 2015, I think it was, and refused to have him on, any more. Mainly the lies and the name calling, as I recall.

That's what later prompted Trump to tweet about Mika's cosmetic surgery ("blood all over her face". He was mad at them for refusing to let him on their show again and then criticize him.

If you watched the show, you'd know all this. There's much, much more. MJ was helpful in pointing out Trump's huge flaws, since it was the #2 morning show in the country, watched by millions every day. Including me. I saw it all, or heard it, as I got ready for work.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:40 PM

62. I agree..enough already..I tell you all the rehashing of the same old grievances surely does remind

of somebody and some other party!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:13 AM

3. IMO, the election of the Orange Asshole

was in large part a reaction to the first AA POTUS.

I heard racist remarks from long-time Dems because Obama is a black man. Some of the language, including the "N" word, shocked he hell out of me because some held such ugly beliefs...suddenly out in the open and "allowed" for the first time.

IMO, my opinion as an elderly white female who worked for voting rights starting in the 1960s, racism has been hidden for a long, long time and once Obama was elected, the reaction built and the Orange Asshole made it OK to be a racist POS-pig, just like he is.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:16 AM

5. I agree

There is no greater affront to white privilege than a black president. It brought all that hate and insecurity simmering under the surface to a froth.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:22 AM

7. Well put.

I just bubbled and boiled over.

The spew was horrific and sickening. I lost respect for so many people who said things I cannot even repeat as examples of what white privilege sounds like.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:52 AM

17. The podcast Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior touched on that.

They said this also happened after WWII when African-Americans came back from the war and were able to care for their families better and move into better homes.

It was this attitude of "How dare he not know his place? How dare he not stay in his place?" towards President Obama. And it crossed party lines; it was everywhere.

They called it a "Primal White Scream", I think. And I think they mentioned it in their recent podcast about Brexit and Tangeranus. I'll see if I can find it.

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Response to Hong Kong Cavalier (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:46 AM

33. I still remember

Getting filthy email after email from a retired Southern Baptist Preacher.

Finally his daughter had the nerve to tell him,”” that is not true, Dad.”

I had told him several times to take me off his list. They finally stopped.

Funny thing is he was a caring man,other wise.

Just one more reason I left that Church.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:27 PM

72. yep, I had several dems send me the Obama is a secret Muslim email during the primary

in '08. Knocked on some dem doors who openly admitted they either couldn't or didn't know if they could vote for a black man.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:21 PM

46. Oh come now, racism wasn't that well hidden...

it was suppressed in some ways, sure, but it never really went away. It was growing more and more open as the Obama era progressed. Obama derangement syndrome metastisized in to a cancer that has exposed the Repub party for what it has been since Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:29 PM

48. It just was not in your face

as it seems to be after Obama and now with tRump in the WH.

I was shocked when I heard a man I had known for years used the "N" word in my presence. His wife was appalled and was embarrassed as all hell. The husband was not the least bit concerned and frankly did not seem to notice how his wife and I felt as he spewed birther crap.

I have to say that people I had known for years said and did things that made me realize that they down deep were bigots of the worse kind.

Maybe I was naive, but some of what I heard shocked me -- a lot due to the fact that some had hidden their true feelings very well.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:26 PM

54. Racism has been with us since Day 1 of this country.

More recently it masqueraded as the "Christian right", the low tax movement, the tea party. If you look at the basic beliefs of each of those groups, you see racial hatred set firmly as their base.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 07:55 PM

66. So true.

And especially applicable to the Religious right...which is neither.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:30 AM

10. Says the guy who gave Trump free advertising!

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:38 PM

61. They claim that Hillary would not go on nor call into the show. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #61)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:11 PM

69. Considering the way they were swift boating her, I think that was a wise decision on her part. (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:19 PM

70. So you don't go on at all? You don't set the record straight? Hillary can talk her way out of a

paper bag, she is a smart woman and of course a lawyer. I see nothing gained by not going on any and every show that you can. It's not like it was Faux news. That fuck went on everything he could and he called into shows constantly and he was always available. UGH.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #70)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:25 PM

71. She went on other MSNBC programs instead.

Joe and Mika weren't playing fair. They were lying every single day. They even claimed that she invented birtherism, and held up John Heilmann as an "expert" on the Obama/Clinton race in order to prove it. And they were telling that lie before Trump was.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:35 PM

73. Well that was wrong of them and they were wrong. I'm able to move on. nt

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Response to StevieM (Reply #71)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:31 AM

75. Keep in mind

Joe Scarborough was at the head of the line in Congress going across the street to interview Monica at her hotel! The whole blanking bunch giggling like naughty school boys looking at pictures in a dirty book.

Joe has been divorced twice since then and he and Mika only got married after Trmp thratened to expose their affair in the Enquirer. That is when the animosity started with their ,” Dear friend, Donald!”

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:28 AM

11. When it comes to Trump, Joe and Mika were prime enablers.

They fawned over Don like he was their favorite pet orangutan. He called in almost every morning and got free campaign advertising. Screw Scarborough and his regrets.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:47 AM

34. Why I seldom watch him.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:33 AM

76. Until he threatened

To expose their affair in the Enquirer.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

12. I wish Obama could run again as well

 

I miss the thoughtful, intelligent, steady handed leadership with compassion.

Obama really offered hope to millions of people not just in the US but also around the world.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:38 AM

13. Morning Joe is about Morning Joe's ratings

He doesn't give a shit about Democrats

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:39 AM

14. Thank goodness!

It's so great that the Washington Post finally (finally!) offered a platform to Joe Scarborough. How could the American people ever have access to the piercing insight and keen intellect of this man if the Post didn't give him some prime journalistic real estate? The Post should have a regular, rotating op-ed spot for Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly. America needs to hear the voices of superannuated rich white men.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:52 AM

18. Keenly put.

"superannuated" love it.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:39 AM

15. This is all fine and good

but as soon as a repug is running for president again, he will support that nominee as long as the last name isn't tRump.
And btw Joe, your stupidity is showing since it took till NOW to understand how great a POTUS that President Obama was.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:31 AM

74. And this will be true as well of ALL these Conservatives that trash Trump all day on MSNBC.

They love the agenda, they are just disgusted by the person.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:44 AM

16. yeah, too late

can't take back the damage he helped to create
(enabler)

it's always so big of these guys when they say things like this to boost their ratings.

...puke

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:01 AM

19. I'm hoping the Trump era is racism's period of terminal lucidity.

Sometimes a comatose patient wakes up and becomes surprisingly alert for a little while shortly before dying. It's a bit more than a last gasp, as it can last for hours. It's almost like the body has given up on fighting for survival and shunts all available energy to one last period of consciousness.

In the case of racism, I hope the old white racists are trying to make one last attempt at being significant while the Trump era lasts and they can get away with it, then will fade into permanent insignificance when Trump is gone. I don't hold out hope that racism will ever completely disappear. But after Trump, I hope it will become accepted wisdom that racism is not OK.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:00 PM

36. Well, "old white racists" have kids (likely) and they have kids too, and they're ALL racists too!

It's not a one generational thing. It is perpetuated through each generation and more than likely reinforced by authoritarian religious dogma.

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Response to Texin (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:25 PM

40. I think it is weakening from one generation to the next.

My father used to make "colored people" jokes. I find that embarrassing. And my son finds that concept puzzling if not unthinkable.

I don't have any statistics to back me up, but I feel like the millenials care less about race than older people do.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:57 PM

49. I agree with you.

I've seen it in my lifetime too.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:34 PM

58. I think the hatred is now exposed for what it is.

Young evangelicals are leaving those types of churches, maybe because they went to school pretty much all their lives with people their parents hate, but use religion to justify the hate.

I am a firm believer in the old adage "It is always darkest before the dawn".

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:35 AM

77. A lot of middle and older

People are leaving, too. Very disgusted.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #77)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:42 AM

83. I have always felt that it is a bad idea for churches to back a particular candidate or Bill.

Churches are a congregation of people just like every gathering. They should limit their public discourse to appearing in public forums to explain their concerns about a proposed policy, other that that, they should limit their political activities to voter registration and advising their members to be sure to vote (without giving them an opinion on who to vote for). I think that rightwing churches becoming overtly political has pulled other churches into the fray, many drawn in to oppose the rightwingers.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:04 AM

20. Whoa!

"I would.........slap a 'Hope and Change' sticker on my shirt"??? Okay, I truly am living in Bizarro World!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:06 AM

21. Yeah, it was all fun and games

I remember Joe and his fawning over Trump. Good ratings. Of course Trump was a joke, but he hit the ratings meter. So let him call in from his gold toilet! Great for Trump. "On the phone - Donald Trump!" while Trump is in his underwear taking a huge dump from his diet of Big Macs. It was all fun and games. After all, who could be stupid enough to vote for Donald Trump? Now that the worst has happened, and dislodging Trump from the White House is going to be like unclogging a toilet, Joe has regrets. Well, too little too late. But good to see he finally came around to what everyone knew before the election.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:09 AM

22. Scar, your " differences with Obama are insignificant "?

WTF. You two faced butt.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:11 AM

23. After reading all the comments on this thread, most of which are quite true,

I will say I am happy Joe wrote this particular piece. Why? Because it helps NOW.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:37 AM

31. I'm with ya Pat ... (nt)

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:18 AM

25. That is surprising!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:20 AM

26. I do not now, nor will I ever trust...

any of those never trump repubs.

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Response to dajoki (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:23 PM

47. Joe Scar hardly qualifies as a "never Trumper"...

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:22 AM

27. I agree with every comment

on this thread.

There ought to be accountability for Scar and those like him. But, this being amerika, there won't be.

Dimwits.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:25 AM

28. how convinient, 3 years too late

not to mention that racism is only one of MANY issues with trump

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:37 PM

60. Yeah 3 years too late since he just started the rump bashing today.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:27 AM

30. It's hard to accept those who are late to the party,

but accept them we must if we are to grow in numbers. We can't win by imposing a litmus test that requires you be with us from the beginning. A genuine mea culpa is a great start.

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Response to rainin (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:38 AM

32. Exactly ... Don't Ask, Don't Tell, anyone?

Obama 'evolving' on Gay Marriage?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:52 AM

35. Damn. What a surprise. Hope more repubs come to this realization.

 

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:02 PM

37. He's still a rw asshat.....

The only reason he turned on trump is trump turned on him and his little lovie partner. He still shills gop talking points whenever he gets the chance.

He hasn't changed, he just got attacked personally when he ticked off trump and he went into attack mode.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:09 PM

38. Tell you what, Joe: Do all that for the Democratic candidate no matter who it is

Saying "I'd vote for Obama again" is empty, because that constitutional amendment wont happen, not anytime soon and likely never.

if you want to "reelect Obama", then do the next best thing: actively work against the party from whence you came. If you need to, cut the ties and burn the bridges, but those are ties and bridges to a cesspool of delusion and extremism anyway.

Stop dismissing liberals. We saw this a lot more clearly than you did, and much much earlier.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:24 PM

39. Joe! You were the one who normalized trump to America! You have no judgement! Shut up!

No one gives a shit about those scales falling from your eyes! You're still stupid!

And I guarantee you will not learn from this.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:37 PM

42. The foolishness I see here against those perceived as repugs, or former repugs, astonishes me.

From Stuart Eizenstat, re: I've Seen Civil War Destroy the Democrats Before. We Can't Let it Happen Again -

'The greatest gains were made by moderate Democrats capturing Republican districts.

A successful Democratic presidential candidate might take a leaf from Carter’s playbook, even more successfully accomplished by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, to appeal to both sides of the party’s coalition to attract and hold moderate Americans tired of partisanship—Americans who want the highest ethical standards in the White House, who will respect and strengthen the institutions that represent our values—from the FBI to the press to our public schools. A successful candidate will eschew identity politics and want to unite Americans rather than divide the country into warring tribes, will strengthen, not weaken, our worldwide network of alliances, and will recognize there is a big country with its own problems that must be addressed between the two coasts.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=32591

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Response to elleng (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:35 PM

59. Me too...I thought Dem's were better than that. nt

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Response to elleng (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 07:00 PM

63. People at DU represent those that are the angriest and refuse to let go of past battles


For the first time I am a single issue voter:

For Trump or against Trump, nothing else matters to.

I will take Kristol, Scar, Frum and the rest to join in common cause. We may find that afterwards we can find greater common ground on taxes and deficits.

For now defeating Trump and as many Republican Senators and Congresspeople is the only so g in town. I don't care what octave they sing in or how long they have been singing it.

Just take Trump out.

The bigger the landslide the better.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 07:25 PM

64. Ditto

I will take Kristol, Scar, Frum and the rest to join in common cause.

Just take Trump out.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:10 PM

43. Damned pay wall! Ugh!

Would like to read the whole thing.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:16 PM

44. Maybe someone else will reprint it, like Truthout.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:48 PM

45. Wrong

Term limits are not the problem nor the solution to our current political situation...

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:30 PM

50. I'm surprised at the strong position in that article, too.

I know how Scarborough feels about Trump, and an idea of how he feels about the current Republican Party. After all, Scarborough has left the Republican Party until they regain their senses. But I didn't know he felt this strongly. Good for him! This is a hard position to take, to put it in writing, for a conservative. Imagine a liberal taking the opposite position. How we'd all feel about that. No doubt the Republicans are going to rail against Scarborough to the utmost degree for eons.

Good article. Washington Post is getting its money's worth for hiring him as an opinion writer.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:43 PM

53. Now your talking Joey.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 06:33 PM

57. Joe and Mika gave free airtime and normalized and blah blah blah, OH WAIT I DON'T SAY THAT BULLSHIT

!!! Sorry...I've just read it so many times. So tiresome.

But yeah it's just THAT BAD that Joe had to go and say all that. And he's telling the truth about race in the country.

I for one will say THANKS FOR POSTING !!!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 01:24 AM

78. Rev Al says something that always speaks to me

I'm paraphrasing but, He says " Al, when you've said or done something wrong, don't justify it, rectify it". So I'll take this as Joe trying to rectify what he did. Its a start. I'll take it. He's a republican. I get it. He may very well support the next republican that comes along. I am OK with that.

A lot of white folks are shocked at the level of racism that has been exposed. Meanwhile many black folks and other people of color are not shocked. Many people of color were told that they saw racism in everything when it wasn't there. It was always there.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 06:15 AM

80. Morning Joe....

.... spends about 90% of his time on air eviscerating trump and his minions. He is no longer a republican, and spends a lot of this time lifting up Democrats. He has the capacity to change the mind's of republicans who are sitting on the fence and even leaning to the right.

Question for everyone: Who has done more using a mainstream media outlet , or through social media to bring the trump gang down, and champion Democrats for the upcoming election?

Answer: NOT YOU!!

Please, let me know if you have an audience of millions, and let me know if you expose the dirty side of the republican party to an audience of millions, and please, let me know if you have brought hundreds of Democrats on your show to champion the cause of the Democratic Party to the millions who make up Joe Scarborough's audience.

I didn't think so.

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