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A year ago an unknown bartender, today the cover of Time (Original Post) Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 OP
yikes. the replies are brutal Kurt V. Mar 2019 #1
It DOES say 'lightning rod' lol ... (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #2
When it comes to hate, Turbineguy Mar 2019 #3
The butthurt in the replies is strong (NT) HuskyOffset Mar 2019 #5
That means mission accomplished. forgotmylogin Mar 2019 #15
yes Locrian Mar 2019 #22
How many are planned attacks? How many are paid? Auggie Mar 2019 #6
Excellent observations. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #27
How many are bots? DBoon Mar 2019 #34
Exactly Auggie Mar 2019 #48
And, as I have said many times Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #16
As a bartender she has met plenty of assholes. Their stink is obvious. olegramps Mar 2019 #19
She lives rent-free inside her critics' heads. Efilroft Sul Mar 2019 #4
Yep, that's the media for you FakeNoose Mar 2019 #29
Good one True Blue American Mar 2019 #31
just saw time article writer on msnbc asked if other dem reps had any complaints and certainot Mar 2019 #7
+++++10000 zentrum Mar 2019 #9
+1,000,000 c-rational Mar 2019 #11
+ 10,000,000 nt Baltimike Mar 2019 #26
We need publicly financed elections so we don't waste so much time courting donors. JudyM Mar 2019 #33
and that reminds me of the 30 years of "money is free speech!" and "corporations are people!" coming certainot Mar 2019 #50
I believe in this new wave and am cautiously trusting that there has been enough of a shift in JudyM Mar 2019 #51
Love this Phenom! zentrum Mar 2019 #8
And 2naSalit Mar 2019 #10
Hahaha. So true! zentrum Mar 2019 #12
you say it in so many words... NJCher Mar 2019 #21
Absolutely. She's a natural. zentrum Mar 2019 #52
I like her sassy rebellious nature IronLionZion Mar 2019 #23
+++++Constant delight on that score. zentrum Mar 2019 #53
AOC demonstrates that the American Dream is still alive Danascot Mar 2019 #13
I look forward.. BigOleDummy Mar 2019 #14
I love that she's an educated, analytical reader who's gaining governing experience every day. ancianita Mar 2019 #17
but, y'know she hasn't opened her district office yet, so none of that matters KG Mar 2019 #18
Gawd, I love her. TruckFump Mar 2019 #20
Is anything mentioned about her association with Cenk Uygur's "Justice Democrats"... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #24
I was wondering about that as well. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #25
I read that Justice Democrats quietly removed her and Chakrabarti, her chief of staff.... George II Mar 2019 #30
"Justice Democrats" is a PAC, right? Is is appropriate for a sitting member of congress to... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #32
Are you accusing... tonedevil Mar 2019 #35
I've made no such accusation and you know it. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #41
Words do have meaning... tonedevil Mar 2019 #42
I've made no accusations. I'm asking a question, do you know the correct answer? NurseJackie Mar 2019 #45
Your inquires carry a lot... tonedevil Mar 2019 #54
I'm not sure about the federal level, but on a state level many states prohibit.... George II Mar 2019 #40
That seems like it would be the ETHICAL thing for everyone to do. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #46
I hate being "that guy", but I'll come out and say it Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #28
I wouldn't worry about her in that regard, shanny Mar 2019 #38
Didn't John Boner come from a tavern? He blathered on about the tavern all the time. NightWatcher Mar 2019 #36
His father owned a bar. He actually held a couple of elected offices before running for Congress. George II Mar 2019 #37
dunno--I am sure he lived in one. shanny Mar 2019 #39
Yes, his Father True Blue American Mar 2019 #44
AOC came out and said True Blue American Mar 2019 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #47
She was also a community activist, the bar tending paid the bills. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #49

forgotmylogin

(7,531 posts)
15. That means mission accomplished.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:19 AM
Mar 2019

AOC has great ideas and is smart and fearless and unafraid to backclap her detractors with facts.

The response to her audacity is because Democrats don't usually do this.

Especially women, whom many of her opponents seem to should not be as aggressive about their ideas as men get a pass for.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
22. yes
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:07 AM
Mar 2019

The detractors (both gop and some dems, establishment etc) are absolutely **triggered*** by her!
The same that advocate for free speech, saying "the truth" etc are in knots about how she should shut up.
And the big thing is they are secretly questioning themselves because they cannot deny her strength and conviction - and it's just killing them!

Efilroft Sul

(3,582 posts)
4. She lives rent-free inside her critics' heads.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 08:56 AM
Mar 2019

And every space AOC occupies is the mental equivalent of a drafty loft apartment.

FakeNoose

(32,770 posts)
29. Yep, that's the media for you
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:50 AM
Mar 2019

... they're always looking for more clicks. AOC gives them their clicks, just like Chump did a few years ago. We're getting played, my friend.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
31. Good one
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:51 AM
Mar 2019

Is Trump screeching about her yet? Or is he too busy complaining about the war hero?

That apparently did not go over well at the trunk plant in Lima. Newscasters said,” The crowd went silent!” And that is red territory.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
7. just saw time article writer on msnbc asked if other dem reps had any complaints and
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:08 AM
Mar 2019

she referenced grumbling about people at town halls complaining about "socialism"

another result of the left doing NOTHING about talk radio and letting the coordinated buzz from a few hundred lying whining fascist assholes on 1500 radio stations push the country 10-20 pts right with their unchallenged repetition

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
50. and that reminds me of the 30 years of "money is free speech!" and "corporations are people!" coming
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 02:02 PM
Mar 2019

from those 1500 corporate think tank coordinated stations used to shoot down any attempts at reform, as well as helping get pro corporate cases to the supremes

and those can be locally coordinated to attack anyone trying something like that on the local level

catch 22

JudyM

(29,279 posts)
51. I believe in this new wave and am cautiously trusting that there has been enough of a shift in
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 02:06 PM
Mar 2019

awareness that it has taken root enough to fight that sinister element back effectively.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
8. Love this Phenom!
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:42 AM
Mar 2019

Brutal replies reflect the abject fear they have of her:
1. That she's a woman.
2. That she's progressive.
3. That she's Latina.
4. That she understands economics and how the deck is stacked.
5. That she's as media-savvy as Trump.
6. That she's young and has a long political life ahead of her.
7. That she's fearless.
8. That she's smart as a whip.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
10. And
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:50 AM
Mar 2019

as any sucessful bartender would, she can sense the stink on anyone's sh*t the second they enter the room.

NJCher

(35,742 posts)
21. you say it in so many words...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:06 AM
Mar 2019

but I would add "instinct." She inherently knows how to handle the situation.

My admiration for her increased when I saw her point out to a heckler that we need to work together and that the power establishment fosters the left working against each other. She had the perfect hand gesture for that when she addressed the heckler. It was a beautiful moment and it shut them down hard and fast.

Danascot

(4,694 posts)
13. AOC demonstrates that the American Dream is still alive
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:13 AM
Mar 2019

though it's much less possible for lower income folks now since our society is largely rigged to prevent them from getting ahead.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
20. Gawd, I love her.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:40 AM
Mar 2019

Would be the proudest person in the world if she were my child or grandchild.

Go for it, AOC!!!!!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. Is anything mentioned about her association with Cenk Uygur's "Justice Democrats"...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:28 AM
Mar 2019

Is anything mentioned about her association with Cenk Uygur's "Justice Democrats" and the particular philosophies of that group? Is she still on the "board"? I know they scrubbed her name from the website several months ago, but do we know when (if) her role with that group has officially been terminated?

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. I read that Justice Democrats quietly removed her and Chakrabarti, her chief of staff....
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:50 AM
Mar 2019

...from the Board of Governors of Justice Democrats, effective March 15 (last week).

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
32. "Justice Democrats" is a PAC, right? Is is appropriate for a sitting member of congress to...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:57 AM
Mar 2019

"Justice Democrats" is a PAC, right? Is is appropriate for a sitting member of congress to be on the "board" of a PAC? (And when I ask if it's appropriate, I mean both legally and ethically.)

I mean, simply scrubbing names from a website doesn't make it official, right? Aren't there actual RULES that PAC's have to follow?

Aren't there actual LEGAL and OFFICIAL procedures and processes that should have been done (if I understand things correctly) other than a superficial scrubbing and sanitizing a website's pages.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
35. Are you accusing...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

Rep Ocassio-Cortez of acting illegally or immorally? Do you have any evidence? The last one is a rhetorical question as I am quite certain you do not.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
42. Words do have meaning...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:49 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Thu Mar 21, 2019, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Here are yours:

"Justice Democrats" is a PAC, right? Is is appropriate for a sitting member of congress to be on the "board" of a PAC? (And when I ask if it's appropriate, I mean both legally and ethically.)

To whom are you referring when you write sitting member of congress if not the subject of the OP?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
45. I've made no accusations. I'm asking a question, do you know the correct answer?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 01:19 PM
Mar 2019
Words do have meaning...
Yes they do.

To whom are you describing when you write sitting member of congress if not the subject of the OP?
"To whom..."

I've made no accusations. I'm asking a question, do you know the correct answer? Is it appropriate? Is it ethical? Is it legal?

It's unclear to me why anyone would have a problem with my asking questions. I also don't understand why anyone would want to bully me into silence.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
54. Your inquires carry a lot...
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 04:53 PM
Mar 2019

of accusation. Given the OP it is disingenuous to purport that the sitting member of congress is not Rep Ocasio-Cortez. You have established that she was on the Board of a group you revile, Justice Democrats, you then go on to provocatively question the legality and morality of her doing so. It is a pretty moot point anyway it isn't as though you hide your dislike of her and everything she does.

PS
Thanks for pointing out the error in my earlier post I edited it to be a more properly formed sentence.

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. I'm not sure about the federal level, but on a state level many states prohibit....
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:36 PM
Mar 2019

....candidates to be in a management position in a committee that is promoting his/her candidacy.

Years ago when I ran for local office, I had to resign as our community's Democratic Party treasurer when I was nominated, returned to the position the day after I was elected.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. I hate being "that guy", but I'll come out and say it
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:48 AM
Mar 2019

Yes AOC is a great story but even I'm starting to cringe at how bright her spotlight is getting... There *are* other stories just as compelling in this crop of congressional freshmen, too.

I worry that she'll fall into the Bernie trap where all the hero worship pieces about being the savior of the Dems go to her head and she gets a God complex...

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