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MANative

(4,188 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:42 PM Aug 2012

And the economy claims another victim...

I'm at my wits' end. Just learned that we will not qualify for a mortgage modification under HAMP or standard terms because our income is now too low. When we bought our house ten years ago, I was making over $100K per year on top of my husband's $45K and we could easily afford our mortgage and anything else we needed. Set aside a nice chunk of money, too, for retirement and rainy days. Since I am self-employed, and have been for nearly the entire time, my income has always had peaks and valleys, but the last three years have been brutal. I work in consulting, primarily in the staffing and HR industries, which are the first to get hit and the last to recover. My income has dropped to less than $15K a year - about 10% of what I used to make. Our savings are gone; the retirement/rainy day-fund is exhausted and then some. We have ten days to find a mortgage payment, or we will go into foreclosure.

We're screwed. Forgive my complaining, but if I didn't get this out somehow, I was going to implode.

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And the economy claims another victim... (Original Post) MANative Aug 2012 OP
Uhhh... extremely sorry to hear CabCurious Aug 2012 #1
Doesn't feel like MANative Aug 2012 #3
Sorry to hear that. ecstatic Aug 2012 #2
Went direct with Freddie Mac. MANative Aug 2012 #5
Is it too late to find part time work to boost your income? dkf Aug 2012 #10
Kind of a Catch 22... MANative Aug 2012 #12
Can you incentivize them perhaps? Discount if within week? dkf Aug 2012 #13
Yup Tried that. No joy. MANative Aug 2012 #14
"$13,000 in outstanding receipts" (omg this is making me angry) CabCurious Aug 2012 #15
Unfortunately, no. MANative Aug 2012 #17
You are one voice in millions. woo me with science Aug 2012 #4
One of the things that really fries me... MANative Aug 2012 #6
you're not alone BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #7
We're not alone, except in terms of finding a solution MANative Aug 2012 #8
I'm always at a loss for words in these situations, everything sounds so trite.. So... Fumesucker Aug 2012 #9
Thanks - may not help a lot, but MANative Aug 2012 #11
I am so sorry renate Aug 2012 #16
Or failing all of that, MANative Aug 2012 #18
sending good vibes to you Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #19
Vibes Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2012 #20

CabCurious

(954 posts)
1. Uhhh... extremely sorry to hear
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks for sharing this, it's good to keep us all grounded in the reality.

Count your blessings and maybe find some different legal help?

MANative

(4,188 posts)
3. Doesn't feel like
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

there are a lot of blessings to be found right now. We may have no choice but to go the bankruptcy route, but that won't necessarily save the house.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
2. Sorry to hear that.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
Aug 2012

Home ownership has become a nightmare for so many people. Are you already in contact with NACA? I know a few people who have successfully modified their loans with their assistance. https://www.naca.com/nacaWeb/index_main.aspx

MANative

(4,188 posts)
5. Went direct with Freddie Mac.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
Aug 2012

From what I've been told, with our lender and servicer, that was the final route. We needed about $800 more income per month to qualify. Saddest part is, I have about $13,000 in outstanding receipts that I can't collect from clients who have stiffed me. That would more than handle the immediate problem. Can't even claim that as a loss on taxes because of my business status.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
10. Is it too late to find part time work to boost your income?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

How's about renting a room in your house? Would that qualify as income?

MANative

(4,188 posts)
12. Kind of a Catch 22...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:38 PM
Aug 2012

I've been looking for a "corporate" job to either replace or supplement my business. For part-time work, employers take one look at my resume and reject it because I've over-educated and over-qualified. They see "VP, Executive Development" at a huge international corporation as my last "outside" job and it's all over, because they assume, rightly, that I'd leave in a heartbeat if something better came along. Permanent jobs at my experience level are few and far between, particularly because the field has been gutted during the downturn. I can't count the number of former colleagues who are in similar situations. The only thing I have going for me on that account is that I don't look my 50+ age, so I do leave off the first ten years of my career to stack the odds in my favor at least a little. The other downside is that if I take a part-time job, I can't do as much business development work, and if a contract comes through, I need to be all over it like white on rice. All I need is one good contract, and that can bring in serious cash in a very short time. The problem is getting ANYONE to make a decision. There are five pending proposals out now, some as old as five months and as large as $75K. All are stringing me along, saying they'll make decisions "any day" now. I just need one, and it will bring in at least $40K. That would solve a world of problems.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
13. Can you incentivize them perhaps? Discount if within week?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:30 PM
Aug 2012

I feel for you and am thinking there must be options and it helps that you have a target income to hit.

Being in business for yourself is HARD. I never appreciated how much til this downturn.

MANative

(4,188 posts)
14. Yup Tried that. No joy.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:45 PM
Aug 2012

If they definitely aren't going to buy, I wish they'd just say so, and I wouldn't have to waste more time and energy. I swear they get jollies from stringing consultants along.

CabCurious

(954 posts)
15. "$13,000 in outstanding receipts" (omg this is making me angry)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:52 PM
Aug 2012

I have absolutely no idea how that system works, but isn't that something you can legally "bank" on?

MANative

(4,188 posts)
17. Unfortunately, no.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 07:52 PM
Aug 2012

They will not accept it as a receivable because it is more than six months old. Considere uncollectable, unless I sue. That costs $ that I don't have.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. You are one voice in millions.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:53 PM
Aug 2012

I am so angry on your behalf, and even angrier that your story is far from unique. We have been bought and sold by thieves, and our government is actively defending them and targeting those who speak the truth about the theft

America has been looted, with no consequences.

When will we stop pretending and decide that we have had enough?

MANative

(4,188 posts)
6. One of the things that really fries me...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:56 PM
Aug 2012

is that the counselor we've been working with was "so sure" we would qualify. This is a kick in the gut.

BOG PERSON

(2,916 posts)
7. you're not alone
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:05 PM
Aug 2012

it's shit out there for most everybody. to hell w/ the glowing numbers. it's hard not to be bitter these days.

MANative

(4,188 posts)
8. We're not alone, except in terms of finding a solution
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 04:09 PM
Aug 2012

We're on our own for that, as is everyone else who finds themselves in our position. There's nowhere else to go for help.

renate

(13,776 posts)
16. I am so sorry
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:55 PM
Aug 2012

I hope for the best for you--that the phone will ring and you'll have a contract, or somehow somebody who owes you some of that money will do the right thing--but perhaps, if that doesn't come true, you can stay in the house for a while during the foreclosure process... I think I've read about foreclosure proceedings taking forever... and if you do have to move and rent an apartment, it might come as a relief to no longer have this mortgage hanging over you. Still, this situation sucks, totally and completely, and I am so sorry. This whole recession has been so unspeakably unfair.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
20. Vibes
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:16 PM
Aug 2012

Being self employed is tough. I had to make a decision when business got tight around 2008 to sell my house before it went that far. I hear ya' about the receivables. I don't know how many times I was deflated after checking the mail, in need of enough to cover the mortgage, and there was nothing there. The worst offenders were actually the big customers like Cost Co, Toys R us, General motors. whereas the little customers always paid promptly and kept the lights on, and fuel in the vehicles. Now, I regret going that route though, and spend sleepless nights wondering if I did everything I could have done to have kept my house.

I hope something positive comes your way.

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