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[Chin music]

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[JI7]

1. we have elections in this country . many of us are focused on that. many of us knew it would be

about 2020 even if Mueller public came out declaring trump guilty with video to show for it. because we knew republicans will continue to support and protect him.

it's all about the elections. just look at what the Democratic Governor in Wisconsin already working to make things better after the mess caused by the idiot before him and other republicans.

[Sherman A1]

2. Or

people are busy with their lives in order to make ends meet and are waiting until more information becomes available.

[Agschmid]

7. France has almost 9% unemployment.

The economy matters.

Youth unemployment was recently as high as 20%!

[Agschmid]

9. You asked why France was different, I gave a potential reason.

That’s all.

[Agschmid]

11. I have confidence in the numbers because of a trend line.

In fact they are behaving almost exactly as to be expected, including the most recent lower jobs number. It is not a perfect system but trend lines indicate it’s representative.

Essentially: Math

[Agschmid]

25. Math does count, but according to law so does the electoral college.

So that negates that, until there is change in the process. Which IMO should happen.

[janterry]

3. It's not laziness and I have not given up

I am not sure what to do.

We need political power.

Just for the record, our little liberal town (here in Vermont) can be counted on to have a protest crowd just about every week. We're good at that. We all hate Trump (most of us) and we didn't vote for this. We won't vote for it next time. We are political and we care. And folks love protesting (really, it happens all the time)

It's not enough for this threat. We need political power. Barr is working on scrubbing that report, rn. What he is doing is perfectly legal - and it will work. when it is released, it will conform to standards set out by the DOJ and the law - and it will be scrubbed.

We need power. We need the Senate. We need to vote him out.

[janterry]

20. Something about scrubbing to protect other folks named in

grand jury stuff. And protecting the 'innocent.' IDK all of the legal minutia, but from what I know of Barr - he'll walk the line very closely. He'll do what is legal AND scummy - all at once.

[canetoad]

22. For sure

Some street music will fix a system that's, and I hesitate to use the current lazy meme of 'broken', but compromised to the point of being undemocratic in the sense that the wishes of a few override the wants of the many. Simple solutions for simple folk?

[Chin music]

26. So true.

[canetoad]

29. Out of interest

Who were you previously?

[Chin music]

30. In my past life...Ben Hur.

Or so Ive been told.

[marble falls]

52. Interesting. Me? I'm Sparticus.

[ck4829]

12. It's time to start working against the idea that the Republican Party is legitimate

https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

[LexVegas]

13. You're whining online.

[LexVegas]

18. Who's "we"? I thought "we" have given up.

[Chin music]

23. You haven't punched in yet? Gonna be late.

[LexVegas]

58. ...

[BumRushDaShow]

17. ...

[democratisphere]

19. Barr hijacked the Mueller Report and McConnell is now trying to

make sure no one knows what is in the actual report. Typical rethug suppression of the truth. Pelosi, Schiff and others will not let this coverup stand.

[democratisphere]

28. There are no other options. The future of what this country will be

is at stake.

[Buckeyeblue]

32. The time for protesting may come but we aren't there yet

Fortunately, we control the House, so legislatively, 45 can't get much done unless he is willing to make big concessions.

He is going to be a massive jerk, like he already is, for the next year and a half. By now, the Democrats should have figured out his play book. He won't talk policy. He is about chaos and distractions.

We need to be the opposite. We need to talk policy. We need to be strong, calm and have a friendly sense of humor.

Lastly, this election cannot be about not voting for 45. It has to be about healthcare, fair taxes, our worldwide alliances.

Hopefully our primary process delivers us the person who can take the fight to the people.

Also, the fact that his administration refuses to release this report will weigh him down. The longer he has to drag it, the more it will wear him out. How will he answer this question: why are you hiding the full report from the American people?

[ehrnst]

42. Well, I guess that totally shows you aren't one of rest of us "lazy and afraid" Democrats.

I guess that sitting in one's yard = "getting out in the streets," unlike the rest of us lazy and afraid" Democrats.

[ehrnst]

51. So many people on DU are calling for Dem leaders to be "screaming into mics every day."

As if that will do anything to give Dems credibility for pursuing logic and facts, instead of just making it look like a partisan witch hunt.

I totally agree with a calm, Columbo approach.

[Blues Heron]

33. Trollish

You held a sign! Wooooo

Get real dude.

[ehrnst]

44. No one in this thread blamed and shamed Democrats here on DU for Trump being in office. (nt)

[marble falls]

49. Because it seems you might be ginning up a hairpull?

[handmade34]

36. not nice...

the discussion is real... the need is real

[Blues Heron]

38. I doubt you're lazy or afraid

Nobody here is lazy or afraid. Which was the whole point of this trollish OP.

[handmade34]

37. collectively we are paralyzed

we need workshops... we need to work together

my first protest was 1970 at the Lansing, MI Capital Building... plenty since

being in the streets is not the be all/end all but it sure motivates and encourages further action... I don't believe we should (or can to be safe) wait until 2020....

[brooklynite]

63. The average voter (even Democratic ones) doesn't go to "workshops" or protests...

[ehrnst]

39. Speak for yourself: "We are so lazy and afraid, that we allow a bully president and

a gang of uber wealthy people to manipulate the findings of American National Election, and investigation, without so much as a whimper." Well if one considers sitting in your yard with a sign to be the same as "taking to the streets" I can see that description might fit.

You certainly don't speak for me. I voted, I got out there and canvassed, and I work on actually making things better for people who are being marginalized.

[mcar]

40. Pictures of you taking to the streets?

[Tipperary]

43. Lol. My thought too.

“Held a sign.” For what? A car wash? Yard sale?

[Blues Heron]

45. +1

[ehrnst]

46. ....

[Kaleva]

41. You made the choice to be lazy, afraid and to give up. No one did that for you.

[marble falls]

47. Your concern is noted.

[Joe941]

48. Nope. People have lives.

[Hortensis]

50. Completely wrong and rejected.

That you don't understand that most of us never even thought of giving up (!), and so despicably soon and so unnecessarily, reflects very poorly on your understanding.

We're in the middle of a huge battle for power. On the other side are an alliance of the white nationalist and neofascist populists, the religious right, and a large portion of our ultrawealthy, and with their power a significant infiltration of government and MSM with their agents. PLUS, close to half of the electorate. And of course foreign enemies, Russia only foremost among them.

Our big strengths, and weapons against what have become enemies of democracy, are our constitution, our legal systems, and our nation's traditions of democracy. PLUS the over half of the electorate who specifically believe in its principles and in increasing numbers realize they need to vote them, and above all the people actually fighting right now on the front lines to protect them.

Sabotaging those last and subverting the confidence of others in us is not a path to victory. You need to just accept that this isn't even beginning to be over. Take out Trump and they'd just slot in Pence and shift into higher gear.

It's already past time for all those who've been too quickly and easily dispirited to stiffen their spines and settle in for the long haul. We're next required to step up on November 3, 2020, but if you need to get to the front lines before then, go join one of the organizations of fighters who are at it every day.

[cwydro]

53. You joined a month ago, and already lecturing DUers?

Interesting.

[Ninga]

55. Time served does not equal value. I think the underlying premise of the OP brings up an

important topic.

I marched in the streets to protest Vietnam. I would march again to protest hiding the Mueller report. I predict it will be held up for a long time.

[Ninga]

54. I've been suggesting the streets for some time. The difference between you and me is my

OP only got *crickets*

When the voters didn't take to the streets to protest the GOP stealing the 2000 election, I realized that the GOP, although smaller in numbers than the Democrats, would be imboldened to continue their nafairous ways.....why?....because they could.

The troops said if we worked hard and GOTV for 2004, then all would be back on track...ha!

McConnell slapped President Obama in the face, along with all of his supporters, and we didn't even break a sweat.

the spontaneous outcry is already over due. Barr, McConnell, Graham etc, count on it.

I pray I am wrong, but I hope the GOP is not successful at a 24 month campaign to keep the Mueller report hidden from the public.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

56. Shame is generally not a good organizing tactic, FWIW, especially if you're hoping for something

as ambitious as "being in the streets." Your OP has no goal or strategy, is oddly preoccupied with the military, and uses unexamined privilege ("A disorderly charge USUALLY is deferred and dropped off your record" ) and hurtfully provocative language ("our big retort to being raped..." ). For a rant, I give it a D. For an OP, it makes me wonder.

[cwydro]

59. ...

[SlogginThroughIt]

57. Can you point me to your website?

Can you point me to your website that is coordinating the effort to get people out in the streets? On the one hand I agree that we should be out protesting, on the other habd I have several times, but admit I would like to see more of it. But what I am not doing is sitting on this site criticizing members while NOT directing them to sites with information kn how, where and when to protest.

You seem to be putting more work into telling everyone how the ship is going down because they aren’t doing anything while you yourself aren’t bailing us out either.

[DontBooVote]

60. Glad to see someone as frustrated as I am by the constant lilly-livered weakness and submissive

behavior on our side.

Let's wait two years and vote! Surely they won't fuck with the vote!

[ismnotwasm]

61. Who is "We"?

[Demsrule86]

62. What has going into the streets accomplished ever? Save your passion for 2020.

Vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is...work for him/her.votes and elections matter.