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I think it is hard for good people to understand bad people. It is hard for good people to believe how devious and concertedly evil bad people are. We need to dive deeper than "trump just wants to win" ""GOP just wants to win at all costs." There is a such a deep depraved evil behind it that we need to understand. We need to understand the true nature of the poison they are injecting into this country. I think this twitter thread does that.
This thread was written by Teri Kanefield:
Author, lawyer (U.C. Berkeley). I tweet about the law, books, politics, and history. All my threads are here as blog entries: http://terikanefield-blog.com
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The Trump administration is backing the full elimination of the Affordable Care Act:
@JoyAnnReid, maybe it isnt spite. Maybe it's what Yale prof. @TimothyDSnyder calls Sadopopulism.
"What the heck is that?" you ask? . . .
1/ Snyder talks about sadopopulism here:
Sadopopulism explains how oligarchythose who seek to have both power and wealthstay in power. It works like this: Sadopopulist leaders enact policies designed to inflict suffering on the people . . .
2/ Policies such as tax cuts for the rich and eliminating health insurance for millions of Americans creates an abundance of suffering. The leader directs that suffering into anger at the "enemies" (immigrants, minorities, migrants seeking asylum, Democrats, etc."
3/ If the GOP repeals Obamacare, 21 million Americans could lose health insurance👇
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/health/obamacare-trump-health.html
Think how many families this will hurt. When families can't afford the medical bills, they'll be thrown into poverty. Loved ones will die unnecessarily.
4/ Trump then channels all that suffering into anger at immigrants, minorities, and the Democrats who champion their rights. See how clever this is? Trump enacts legislation that (1) makes him richer, (2) hurts his constituents and (3) keeps his base enraged.
5/ When the people are suffering, he consoles them by promising that he is hurting their enemies.
He's the strongman protecting them from minorities who are displacing them and beggars at the gates who want to take what they have.
6/ NYT reporter Maggie Haggerman explained that Trumps base thrills at his fights with the establishment, seeing him as warrior against self-satisfied elites who look down on many Americans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/22/us/politics/trump-two-years.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
7/ What Snyder is suggesting there is that the repeal of Obamacare isn't spite.
The repeal of Obamacare part of a larger pattern of policies and legislation specifically designed to inflict suffering on the very people who put Trump into office.
8/ Just before the 2016 midterm elections, Trump tweeted this:
Link to tweet
Now that it's clear the Trump administration is working to repeal all parts of the ACA, you might expect his base to dislike discovering that he lied to them.
Nope. They don't mind at all!
9/ Here's the part that is just as bizarre as the effectiveness of sadopopopulism: Trumps base loves it when he lies.
Scholars Hahl, Kim, and Sivan, in The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue explain why Trumps base loves it when he lies.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122417749632
10/ The authors explain that those who want to destroy the political establishment enthusiastically embrace a lying demagogue because they know that the lies are destructive and they want to be destructive.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122417749632
11/ The reason: They believe the establishment puts the needs of others ahead them, the real Americans."
The best explanation for why Trumps supporters not only accept but actually cheer his lies comes from Hannah Arendts the Origins of Totalitarianism.
12/ When a demagogues followers learn that he has lied, instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
H/t @jenmercieca
13/ If Trumps supporters believe that this👇 lie tricked people into voting Republican, theyll cheer the lie.
Link to tweet
They will cheereven though many of them will suffer when Trump makes it harder for them to get health care.
14/ They cheer as Trump and his inner circle enrich themselves at their expense.
They cheer the strongman who hurts them and who lies to them because they think he's "protecting them" and hurting their enemies more.
There you have it, folks: Sadopopulism.
I'm adding this for the people who are saying that Sadopopulism=fascism.
Nope. There's solid evidence that the Nazis redistributed much of their plunder to the German people. 20th century fascists thus differ from the 21st century variety . . .
. . . in key ways. Modern oligarchs want to be billionaires AND powerful. https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Beneficiaries-Plunder-Racial-Welfare/dp/0805087265
I often apply "fascism" to what we're seeing today, but there are distinctions between 20th and 21st century fascists.
The concept of Sadopopulism captures the distinction.
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If you haven't read On Tyranny by Tim Snyder, Yale professor, get it and read it. It's a mini book and full of plain, concise straight-talk about the signs of tyranny unfolding around us. Includes some suggested responses.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I find it disturbing that I have heard that very sentiment from people who oppose him directed at Trump supporters. Makes me wonder where the roots are, and I think AOC is correct in her assessment that is deeper than Trump. I think giving it too much attention has toxic potential. Like Rod Serling's Maple Street where neighbors turned against each other out of suspicion.
How do we avoid the spreading, I wonder.
ck4829
(35,076 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,691 posts)Some MAGAt with a treatable medical condition but no insurance to buy it with takes comfort during his final days from knowing that those people can't get health care either.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)ck4829
(35,076 posts)"I may be dying of cancer but at least the black people aren't taking my welfare anymore."
tblue37
(65,342 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)This excellent narrative sheds powerful light upon the differences between a true and compassionate populism that all Democrats should embrace, and the ugly and fascistic sadopopulism of Trump & co.
Big k&r,
-app
moondust
(19,981 posts)Will they ever wake up?
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)it reminds me of the scene from Xmen where Magneto put poison into Dr. X's machine. When we try to look into where they are coming from --- their poison gets into our minds. And we resist understanding.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Listen to Chris Hayes' podcast about Dying of Whiteness. He talked to a mental health professional's study how not extending the ACA to different states leads to a lowering of life expectancies. Some people are okay with this as they see it as a greater cause to protect their "Whiteness".
IOW, they would rather die than for other groups to get equal care and treatment. It's just that deep.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)ck4829
(35,076 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"But they're hurting the wrong people!" As if the governments role was actually to administer pain to SOMEBODY, just not them. They are really sick individuals. They are too stupid to realize how they are being manipulated.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)One of the doctors who signed Duty To Warn said this as well as being a narcissistic sociopath which we already were aware of. He loves to hurt people and always has. Look at the victims of Puerto Rico's hurricane, the CA fires, the ACA, victims of shootings and violence that he inspired, etc. He is a sick and twisted muther.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)be ALL IN on Medicare for all!
There is a racial component to EVERY SINGLE THING in MAGAWORLD.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)the people they hate and expelling them all from America
then the top of the pecking order would start pecking on them.
If your name isn't Jared or Ivanka -- you will eventually be a target. The trump tyrants will find a way to cull them all from the herd for one reason or another.
For example, the Saudi Princes thought they were untouchable. In the upper elite circle. Next thing you know, they are being held as MBS's prisoners and sleeping on the floor of the Hilton.
alwaysinasnit
(5,066 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)But they won't.
They have too much invested in the two-party horse race concept. Where both parties are bad sometimes, and good sometimes. And its a matter of framing the narrative as the two parties being different sides of the same coin. One no worse than the other. Now Trump may be singled out as some kind of rude anomaly, but for them, it has nothing to do with the ongoing strategy of making sure one party doesn't get too low in the polls, or too high.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)Especially any time one of the MSM stooges tries to call Trump a populist. It is disgusting the MSM let Populism (formerly used to describe noble Democratics like George McGovern & Tom Harkin) be hijacked and perverted to describe Trump's Me & Mine First Only
agenda.
ck4829
(35,076 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I'd add maybe Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine for more on their economic,historic long game.