Nadler's great response to Barr!

[manor321]

Read it here:

https://judiciary.house.gov/news/press-releases/chairman-nadler-responds-latest-letter-attorney-general-barr

Chairman Nadler Responds to Latest Letter from Attorney General Barr
Mar 29, 2019

Washington, D.C. –Today, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) released the following statement in response to a letter he received from Attorney General William Barr:

“As I informed the Attorney General earlier this week, Congress requires the full and complete Mueller report, without redactions, as well as access to the underlying evidence, by April 2. That deadline still stands.

“As I also informed him, rather than expend valuable time and resources trying to keep certain portions of this report from Congress, he should work with us to request a court order to release any and all grand jury information to the House Judiciary Committee—as has occurred in every similar investigation in the past. There is ample precedent for the Department of Justice sharing all of the information that the Attorney General proposes to redact to the appropriate congressional committees. Again, Congress must see the full report.

“I appreciate the Attorney General’s offer to testify before the Committee on May 2. We will take that date under advisement. However, we feel that it is critical for Attorney General Barr to come before Congress immediately to explain the rationale behind his letter, his rapid decision that the evidence developed was insufficient to establish an obstruction of justice offense, and his continued refusal to provide us with the full report.”

[DontBooVote]

1. OFFS! Fucking weak! The Evil has snatched precedent with everything they've touched! Get

tough, goddamn it and quit fucking around with these criminals.

For crying out fucking loud with your stupid, sternly-(mostly weak)-worded letters!

[ZZenith]

2. You really are something.

[DontBooVote]

3. Thank you. You are too.

[babylonsister]

4. What do you suggest?

Get the Capitol police to handcuff Barr and drag him in? Ain't gonna happen.

[DontBooVote]

5. Has a single subpoena been issued by Nadler? Even just ONE?

[sheshe2]

16. Has he read the report yet?

How do you issue a subpoena on something you have no information on.

[DontBooVote]

21. It's interesting that the fact that the Mueller Report has been seen only by rePublickans

is of little concern to so many on this board. First, you're wiling to wait until April 2, now Barr is pushing it back yet another month. And, curiously, some of you are happy to wait. I'm not happy to wait. I want the report now. And weak responses to repub stonewalling IS NOT OK WITH ME.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. uH HUH

[DontBooVote]

28. Yet another insult. Nice.

[Kurt V.]

55. That's no ok with me either. the house has powers. use them.

[DontBooVote]

57. Thank you.

[BamaRefugee]

94. How else do you get the information you don't have??? You subpoena it. It's called "discovery".

[Hekate]

7. This person is extremely over the top these days

[DontBooVote]

9. ...

Then put me on ignore...

[coeur_de_lion]

30. He might be over the top

and he's taking it out on fellow DUers just a bit.

But he is fucking right.

Subpoena the report. Quit pussy footing around.

I like that Nadler is sticking to his deadline. But he needs to be more forceful about it.

[DontBooVote]

43. Look at the way I"m being insulted for being angry and expressing that anger.

[coeur_de_lion]

64. You're okay. We are all super pissed off

and taking it out on each other a tad bit.

You're among friends. Be pissed off but not at us.

[mr_lebowski]

79. +1

Hell Boo, nobody had even really responded before you're running that smack.

There aren't many here in favor of p-footing around with these assholes anymore, TRUST ME.

[coeur_de_lion]

80. As long as we all remember

We are pissed off at the GOP and especially anyone named trump.

But we are NOT pissed off at each other. Not really.

We all have to love each other because we are all equally outraged and we need the support DU offers. We need all of us. Even the ones running smack.

[DontBooVote]

88. There's a certain group here who has no love for me. I'm gald I get that love (and respect) from the

locals here where I live whom have seen me in action and have even asked me to run for office.

[DontBooVote]

87. But a weak-assed offense is plenty good, huh? For some, apparently. Let's wait more weeks for

the report and belay any satisfaction for our side for as long as possible and coddle the stonewallers that beat us every goddamned time.

[mr_lebowski]

92. What's your fucking plan, man? What are WE DU'ers ... all doing wrong, but that YOU got dialed in?

Dude I'm ready to start fucking breaking shit, okay? I'm with you on the anger, I'm sick of p-footing around, but I think so is everyone else. Schiff just proved on Thursday ... he ain't f'ing around. Nadler's not either. Neither is Nancy.

The people telling people to calm down are also pissed, but they also know THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH WE CAN DO, and what we CAN? We're DOING IT.

So I'm still waiting to hear what you got to share other than 'Democrats and DU'ers are failing, cause we're not railing on the internet like Boo'.

Clue us in. I'm ready to break shit, if it's not just breaking shit to make me feel better. My experience is ... that doesn't work out well in the end.

[malaise]

14. I can dream - I wish it would happen

hehehhehe

[gratuitous]

50. Nobody seems to know the procedural steps, do they?

First the letter. If full compliance doesn't happen, it may require another letter outlining what was lacking from the response, and another deadline is mentioned. If full compliance with the letter still doesn't happen, then it's subpoena time. It's not that complicated, but no, the procedure doesn't offer the instant gratification and utter futility of an immediate full-scale battle royal on Capitol Hill, which is what some people seem to want.

[DontBooVote]

53. That stuff is done to us all the time.

[gratuitous]

58. I wasn't talking to you

But go ahead and lead the charge up Capitol Hill there. Let us know how it works out.

[DontBooVote]

61. Oh, yet another insult. I didn't insult you, I made a statement of fact. Curiouser and curiouser.

And from you, whom I've admired long since I began lurking here.

Wow.

[gratuitous]

63. If stating a fact is an insult, you have very thin skin

Because I wasn't talking to you.

[DontBooVote]

67. "But go ahead and lead the charge up Capitol Hill there. Let us know how it works out" is not

a fact, it is a rude insulting comment.

[mr_lebowski]

84. It's really not an insult, boo ...

Now, it's a smart-ass remark, but it's not an insult.

You're kinda inviting smart-ass remarks unless and until you come up with an actual workable plan here ...

What are we supposed to DO, exactly, Boo?

And btw, whatever you come up, I bet a LOT of DU'ers are already doing it.

But feel free to share ... what's the DontBoo plan?

[DontBooVote]

89. Let's give the Evil all the fucking time in the world to fuch us up. I guess that what certain

people here want. I, on the other hand, want some fucking satisfaction!

A weak assed response is not OK with me.

[mr_lebowski]

93. Aw man, I know, let do this ... let's just sit around and out-aggressive each other, that'll fix it

****MAJOR NSFW PULP FICTION ***

So what, you think you're The Wolf? What's your plan, dude?

[lunatica]

69. I Didn't see any insult by anyone upthread.

Following procedure in our government is actually quite important, especially for posterity. Everything our government does has to be proven to be above board. It’s one of the most important ways ever that our elected and appointed officials are kept honest. It is how they are kept accountable to us, the people who elect them. That’s the reason they are told it is illegal to delete emails or any documentation of official government business. A paper trail has to be laid down.

Nadler cannot just choose to order up a subpoena for documents without asking for them first. It is an abuse of power which you yourself would probably disapprove of if the other side did it.

In court, if it comes to that it might be cause for dismissal of charges. It has to probably be proven that the person was asked to testify or turn over documents. Thus the letters requesting documentation be turned over.

If you want it to stick you have to follow procedure.

[DontBooVote]

70. One more, I think, and the whole gang will be here. Interesting.

[lunatica]

73. What are you talking about?

Are you claiming my post is an insult to you.

[DontBooVote]

74. I know what I'm talking about. And, no, that's not what I'm saying.

[ProfessorGAC]

71. A Non Insult

You're around the bend on this.
Nothing personal.
A dispassionate observation

[DontBooVote]

72. Thank you, Prof. I appreciate your respectful observation and comment. I mean that.

[zentrum]

83. Hey DontBoo

.....check out comment 82 where I agree with you.

[zentrum]

82. I think Bombastic Boo

....has a point. They do do it to us all the time.

Think of how they forbade a vote on Garland for a year so that they could appoint Kavanaugh. We should have raised high holy hell back then, during Obama's last year in office.

Now, McConnell is working to change the rule that hearings on Federal Judge appointments aren't going to be allowed to go on for 30 hours. But rather only two hours. Two hours! They are boldly seeding the courts at all levels so we'll lose the Judiciary Branch for the next 30 years.

The subpoena should be sent immediately.

We don't have time for the usual protocols.

There is an extreme threat to the country going on and I don't mean Russia. I mean this Republican Party.

It does sometimes feel like everyone is sleep walking.

[DontBooVote]

86. Exactly right, zentrum. Thank you. But let's wait a few more weeks with extended deadlines and not

get overly excited about a weak-assed offense...AGAIN!

Wierd that a certain contingent here is trying to stifle my "concern" with insults and smart-ass remarks.

Very curious indeed considering most of those flocking to my posts are long-time, supposedly respected DUers. Makes me wonder what the hell is going on here.

[KPN]

60. Not taking a side in this, but what "procedure"

are you talking about? Is there a codified process for this?

[gratuitous]

62. Please read my post; I laid it out there

If you don't want to hear it, that's fine. But that's how things are usually done.

[KPN]

66. Key words: "usually are done". These arent

usual times and haven’t been for a long time. We’ve been following the rules and protocol while they’ve been riding roughshod over them — for a decade now if not more.

There’s a reason we have the old saw “nice guys come in last.” Also, “all’s fair in love and war”. We’ve been in a war that is not of our making with the GOP for decades, though somehow we don’t seem to grasp that.

So I’m taking a side then. Time for subpoenas.

[Chin music]

77. +1 my thought exactly.

[babylonsister]

81. Thank you. I defer to the Dems,

especially Nancy Pelosi, who know how this game is played.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Yeah, dammit!

Why didn't Nadler send a couple of baseball bat-wielding guys named Vinnie and Guido to his house late last night? Fucking weak-ass Democrats!

[DontBooVote]

10. ...

[TheBlackAdder]

13. Moose & Rocco - Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya!

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[at140]

34. Even better why didn't Nadler punch Barr in the mouth

for not making Mueller report public immediately without any redactions?

[DontBooVote]

47. Thanks for contributing...well, nothing.

At least my anger is righteous. Curious that my anger is abhorred.

[at140]

49. Your anger at Nadler is uncalled for

Nadler is doing everything right.

[DontBooVote]

51. Why a deadline for a party that is known for trickery and stonewalling? Where are the subpoenas?

They may be ignored, but at least they'll be out there. Where are they? Why give dirty liars and cheaters and stonewallers any time to continue their deeds?

[at140]

56. AG Barr said he will submit the full Mueller report by April 15th

with necessary redactions of classified material and secret jury proceedings.
And further that he will not send a copy to White House for review before sending it to congress.
Pressure put on him by Nadler & Schiff and Schumer is working. I give all of them high marks.

[DontBooVote]

59. Ooohhhh, so you're ok with waiting 2+ more weeks? Wow. Noted.

[at140]

65. Waited 2 years, so yes 2 more weeks is acceptable.nt

[DontBooVote]

68. 2 more weeks is not acceptable. Especially when that is on the other side of the already

established date of April 2.

[dumbcat]

78. No, he did not say that ...

And further that he will not send a copy to White House for review before sending it to congress.

He didn't say that. He said there were "no plans" to send a copy. Two entirely different things.

And he didn't say April 15th, he said "mid-April". You may think that's the same thing, but it's not.

Please try to be more accurate in your comments. There's enough bad info floating around.

[Grasswire2]

85. THANK YOU

Must parse every word with that weasel.

EVERY STINKING WORD.

[uponit7771]

20. Which means what actions? tia

[DontBooVote]

24. One or two more of you and the whole gang will be here...

[olegramps]

90. I understand your frustration and share your concern with the lack of fortitude by too many Democrats

It has appeared to me that the Democrats have tolerated far too much lack of cooperation on the entire spectrum of governance by the Republicans. The Republicans have become the obstructionist party as was especially demonstrated during President Obama's presidency. They have abused certain aspects of government that were put in place for extremely important situations. Such as blocking nominations as in the case of the Supreme Court, shutting down government and numerous other bills solely for political leverage while sacrificing the welfare of the nation.

The powers that were invested in the presidency and the various agencies, such as within the Department of Justice, were granted to protect the citizens. Rather than protecting they are being abused to prevent complete transparency that is the hallmark of a democratic government and not an authoritarian dictatorship. This not a new development, but one that has steadily intensifying dating from the criminal Nixon presidency. Each successive Republican presidency has seen gross abuses of power and lack of cooperation by Republican dominated congresses that allowed us even to be taken to war on absolute falsely generated evidence.

Yes, I agree with your concern and I too believe that it has been allowed to develop to the point that threatens to the very foundation of the ideals upon which our government was founded. The citizens have a right and duty to demand complete and total honesty and not subterfuge that are solely political.

[Blue_true]

6. If the report truly not showed Trump to be blameless, that administration would have ALREADY

made it public to anyone that wanted it. They are nothing but cheats and liars.

[DontBooVote]

11. "They are nothing but cheats and liars." Thank you! And the minute Barr tried to move the date

past April 2, which they should not have given to start with, Nadler should have issued subpoenas for Mueller, Barr, and the Mueller Report.

Where are the subpoenas, those of you insulting me for being pissed off?

[Blue_true]

22. I also thought of bringing Mueller in under oath.

Maybe there is a grace period of several weeks that Nadler has to observe. I doubt that Mueller would lie under oath to protect someone that he may have concluded is likely a criminal.

I am still hoping that some patriot copied that report and leaks it.

[DontBooVote]

23. I hope so, too. There's also the attempt to control the narrative, along with kidnapping the

report, to pin this on Democrats as "this generation's WMD". Even right here in this thread, and in others, there's an effort to stifle anger that this report hasn't been forwarded to Congress. It only took minutes for the Barr Summary to be released. They've had ample time for review and even for redactions, yet there's a contingent attempting to deride posters who have had enough of the bullshit and demand release of the Report to Congress.

Curious.

[Ligyron]

40. It took Star 3 days to get the results of the Whitewater investigation out.

Sent copies to both houses of Congress along with the underlying evidence and it was available to the press and pubic the same day also. At least that's what I thought I heard Rachael say last night.

That's where the results of Special Council investigations normally go - to Congress, not the AG of the party under investigation.

Curious...

[DontBooVote]

41. I know, right! And, because I express my anger, I am constantly insulted by a certain group here.

Curious.

[LTG]

95. Huge differences in the rules governing

the two investigations. The Independent Counsel was a creature of statute. Starr acted under the auspices of Congress and his report was to be sent in its entirety directly to Congress, who controlled its release to the public.

Starr’s report was considered too full of graphic salacious details of Clinton’s sexual behavior. There was bi-partisan displeasure with the extent of the report. Not long after the statute expired and has never been replaced.

The Special Counsel is a creation of the Justice Department and has rules and regulations that were either created specifically for the Special Counsel, or that already existed and are directly applicable.

Those rules direct the Special Counsel to produce a report explaining his reasonings as to prosecution and declination decisions and present it directly to the AG. He has no authority to send it anywhere else.

The DOJ regs and rules then direct the AG to send to Congress a summary of the primary findings of the Special Counsel. The AG may choose to provide more of the actual report to Congress, but it is his decision. The Special Counsel’s work is done for DOJ and is solely under its authority.

The redactions listed in the second letter’s list of possible redactions are all required under relevant rules and regulations, some with some discretion given the AG.

The Congress can subpoena it, but the law, rules and regulations provide no standing for Congress to demand them. The courts may order their release to Congress or may not as it is internal work product. Regardless, that would ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court, and we know how that would probably go.

I’m sure our Reps know the game and how to play it much better than I do. For now I’m going to trust that they are making good decisions under the circumstances, if not bold ones that might be mostly bluff.

[Ligyron]

96. Yes, I realize that.

Former Acting Solicitor General and Democratic wunderkind Neil Katyal drafted the regulations for Special Council Investigations like the one Mueller apparently just concluded. I'm just saying this wasn't the way the results of SC investigations were normally released in the past and I'll just add that I don't think this is a good way to distribute such results. Especially with the DOJ controlled by the administration being investigated. We may never get to see anything unfavorable to Trump or his lackeys that was discovered by Mueller and team so long as Barr and the Trump DOJ control the flow of information.

Neil is a good guy and we've watched him do a minor apology tour within the friendlier parts of our media but this situation he created still sucks.

[LTG]

97. Sorry if I was in lecture mode.

My passions are history, law and details in general. Education is near and dear to my heart and I believe details are important in persuasive discussions, arguments and legal battles.

That does put me in my lecture mode, often without me even noticing. I agree with everything you’ve said. I was primarily telling others the differences between them and now. There are many potential reasons why our Congressional leaders may be proceeding in their current manner. I feel a little trust in those we elected is warranted.

Have a good week, hopefully good things will happen.

[Ligyron]

98. Oh, NP

Everything you said was correct.

I trust our Reps as well 'cause we sure don't know what some of them know, that's for sure.

Yes, let's all have a good week, our Reps most especially!

[Bettie]

25. I suspect that he will wait until after April 2nd

which was the date he gave as a deadline to take any further action.

[Chin music]

33. If it's not there by midnight April2-3rd the subpoena should issue.

That's why there's date certains....I think.

[DontBooVote]

39. I hope you're right. As it is, they still have four more days of PR and subterfuge, which seems to

be ok with some.

It is not OK with me.

[Chin music]

44. Me either but, we're mostly friends here.

No sense getting yourself flagged. Were all pretty fucking tired of the trump circus. I'm glad you keep everyone on their toes about not being lax about it. Trust and believe.

[DontBooVote]

45. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the tRump circus. Waiting is not ok with me. It took minutes for

Barr to fuck us out of the report. Congress should have already known that they would be stonewalled and should have foregone any deadlines and just sent out the subpoenas.

[Chin music]

46. Yes. Me too.

Your frustration is noted. I'm w you.

[DontBooVote]

48. Thank you, I appreciate that. I know who are not with me, and that is duly noted.

[Chin music]

52. Im actually watching Alex Jones Deposition part two....and im in the twilight zone just listening to

this piece of shit. For another thread I guess though. The gop should be out lawed.

[DontBooVote]

54. I listened to his show back in the day as personal research. tRump was ALWAYS on there, way before

he was on the presidential candidate scene.

I finally had enough and don't want to hear another word from him.

[malaise]

15. Yep

Subpoena time

[riversedge]

12. Barr is still going to keep information from Mueller Report from Congress. This is wrong.

Link to tweet

[Bettie]

26. Aren't there several key members of congress

Pelosi, Schiff, and at least two others who have security clearances which allow them to see EVERYTHING without redaction?

Co-equal and all.

[Chin music]

36. I think so.

[AllaN01Bear]

17. yes , yes yes , as in stat.( if u work in hospital, you know what that means )

[NewJeffCT]

18. While there are a lot of excellent Dems on Judiciary

If Barr does testify, I would love for them to hire a single expert lawyer to do all the questioning, so every 5 or 10 minutes, they go back to the same person to do follow-up.

[Honeycombe8]

35. That would make our guys look weak and incompetent, IMO.

But they could get someone to advise them beforehand. I think they do that, actually. On both sides.

[ginnyinWI]

19. Can the Atty General be impeached? Serious question. n/t

[trickyguy]

29. Please get another set of balls Nadler. You know, the kind made out of brass.

[DontBooVote]

32. Be careful, there's a certain group here who will tear you apart for saying such a thing.

[Honeycombe8]

31. I'm so proud of our smart, brave Democrats in Congress!!!! Great response, Chairman Nadler!

They are not letting anything slide. They are calm, composed, sharp, and tenacious about demanding what is legal and right.

Great response, Rep. Nadler!

[Chin music]

37. Agreed but, it's a matter of Nat Security to 300+ million people.

It's time America sees the report trump is claiming exonerates him. Stochastic terrorism and all, that he seems to be ginning up. We need to see what happened in the election 2 years ago. The gop has been given every benefit of the doubt and delay after delay. We matter too. Its time. I believe mr nadler will execute quickly.

[DontBooVote]

38. So many DUers are content to wait and wait and wait and give the criminal Evil more time to do their

damage and to work their PR campaign against us (Democrats), calling this Mueller thing "this generation's WMD".

That is very curious to me, the lack of fire and even some stifling of dissenting anger.

[Chin music]

42. It's frustrating in general that the Democratics have been stymied so far from

seeing it. I trust some people here have different opinions. Not everyone here is a Democrat Im pretty positive. Its time we see it before the gop tells everyone whats in it SO many times, that in the end, w the fake news mantra, they can dodge it's eventual implications. Barr has enough law students and lawyers in his OWN family that they could have combed this report by now.

[Liberalhammer]

75. I agree with you Democrats have to play hard ball

Enough with the nicities with the Rethugs. They should have sent subpoenas out on Monday.

At least Schiff city off the Rethug traitors the other day but it's not enough.

Republicans want a dictatorship.

[DontBooVote]

76. I keep wating for our team to make a huge, bold play and it's day after day of disappointment.

Sick of not street-fighting like our Evil enemies do.

[DeminPennswoods]

91. Dem message discipline has been impressive!

I have to say.