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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:25 PM Aug 2012

SPECIAL OP Chief Says BLABBERMOUTHS Face CRIMINAL PROSECUTION’




The leader of the U.S. Special Operations Command and architect of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden is seriously unhappy about a forthcoming book by a member of the SEAL raiding team. And he wants other elite U.S. commandos to know they could be in for a world of legal trouble if they write their own tell-alls.



No Easy Day is the first first-person description of the Osama bin Laden raid, penned by a former SEAL Team Six member named Matt Bissonnette. It’s set for publication, naturally, on Sept. 11. And it took the Pentagon and the White House by surprise. Admiral William McRaven, the leader of the U.S. Special Operations Command, wants to make sure it doesn’t lead to a pattern of similar memoirs.



McRaven, the former commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, reminded fellow members of the special-operations community reminding them that they signed binding documents designed to keep them from discussing their highly secretive work.



“Every member of the special-operations community with a security clearance signed a non-disclosure agreement that was binding during and after service in the military,” McRaven wrote in an open letter to current and former special-operations troops, as reported by the Associated Press and the Daily Beast. “If the U.S. Special Operations Command finds that an active-duty, retired or former service member violated that agreement and that exposure of information was detrimental to the safety of U.S. forces, then we will pursue every option available to hold members accountable, including criminal prosecution where appropriate.”





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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/mcraven-criminal-prosecution/#more-89927
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SPECIAL OP Chief Says BLABBERMOUTHS Face CRIMINAL PROSECUTION’ (Original Post) Segami Aug 2012 OP
I hope he enjoyed his "pre book" life. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #1
I think a different kind of ' team ' will be visiting him soon. Segami Aug 2012 #2
Might be keeping Manning company. Downwinder Aug 2012 #3
And look what they are doing to Julian Assange...isn't this movonne Aug 2012 #4
assange is not afederal employee w/a confidentiality agreement, who's written a book for $$ nt msongs Aug 2012 #5
Assange is not a US citizen, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #9
Nor has Assange broken US Law jeff47 Aug 2012 #12
Not to highjack but... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #13
link or bullshit eShirl Aug 2012 #14
Quick google search... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #15
That is well known and has been for a long time. An Editor receiving material from a source sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #19
I documented this on anothet post. Quite a bit of back-and-forth between msanthrope Aug 2012 #20
Still not illegal. jeff47 Aug 2012 #17
Well, if I were you I would read those logs, they are available online, because I read them sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #18
Which logs? This doesn't concern the Lamo logs, but the "Nathaniel Franks" msanthrope Aug 2012 #21
It will all depended on the context of the book former-republican Aug 2012 #6
It is an empty warning if he doesn't enforce the binding agreement in this case. BlueStreak Aug 2012 #7
Well then, will wait for you to bring this service member nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #8
Criminal prosecution is nothing compared to what some Al Qaeda terrorist will try to do. RickFromMN Aug 2012 #10
His identity can be changed jberryhill Aug 2012 #27
I was pretty shocked to see that Fox News outted him for that very reason. IndyJones Aug 2012 #29
I want them to go after FOX NEWS... AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #11
don't hold your breath, fox is a propaganda outlet for the MIC. KG Aug 2012 #16
What Fox did was loathesome SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #25
YOU! Are a BLABbermouth!!!! Gabi Hayes Aug 2012 #22
Cover up your illegal sh*t all you want sucker, it's all still coming out in the wash. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2012 #23
I don't see any accusation this former SEAL has broken that contract. Skip Intro Aug 2012 #24
He wrote it under a psuedonym and clearly put his own life in danger summerschild Aug 2012 #26
Meh. Did he break a law or contract, or not? Skip Intro Aug 2012 #28
He discussed their highly secretive work. He put his own safety in jeopardy. summerschild Aug 2012 #30
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
2. I think a different kind of ' team ' will be visiting him soon.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:30 PM
Aug 2012

So much for being a team player.

movonne

(9,623 posts)
4. And look what they are doing to Julian Assange...isn't this
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:38 PM
Aug 2012

guy doing the same thing??? (kinda)

msongs

(73,687 posts)
5. assange is not afederal employee w/a confidentiality agreement, who's written a book for $$ nt
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 11:42 PM
Aug 2012

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. Nor has Assange broken US Law
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:18 AM
Aug 2012

Have to sign that agreement that comes with the security clearance for leaking to be illegal.

Publishing classified that "lands in your lap" is legal. SCOTUS explicitly ruled this in the Pentagon Papers case.

 

Mmm_Bacon

(58 posts)
13. Not to highjack but...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:24 AM
Aug 2012

... I remember reading that the chat logs between Manning and Assange showed Assange giving tips on access and delivery.

Could be wrong..

 

Mmm_Bacon

(58 posts)
15. Quick google search...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:27 AM
Aug 2012

... shows chat logs of Assange requesting data from Manning and discussing best methods for delivery.

"Until Monday’s revelation, there have been no reports that the government had evidence linking Manning and Assange, other than chat logs provided to the FBI by hacker Adrian Lamo last year. Assange is being investigated by a federal grand jury, but has not been charged with any crime, since publishing classified information is not generally considered a crime in the U.S. But if prosecutors could show that Assange directed Manning in leaking government documents that he then published, this could complicate Assange’s defense that WikiLeaks is simply a journalistic endeavor."

"The chat logs mention a request to re-send some unspecified data, showing that the parties had talked before, Johnson said, as well as discussion about using SFTP for uploading data securely to an FTP server."

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/manning-assange-laptop/

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. That is well known and has been for a long time. An Editor receiving material from a source
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aug 2012

such as Bernstein and Woodward, eg, who actually met with their source, is doing nothing illegal by letting a source know they have not received material the source intended for them and asking them to resend it. I read all of the chat logs. And I'm sure, so has the US Government. There is nothing in them showing Wikileaks did anything any other news person would have done or does on a regular basis, when dealing with a source. .

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. I documented this on anothet post. Quite a bit of back-and-forth between
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:14 PM
Aug 2012

Assange and Manning presented at the Article 32---I broke down the three acts of interaction that the government focused on and charged Manning for....the software insertion, the searches, and the code cracking....





http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=62455

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. Still not illegal.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:50 PM
Aug 2012

If Assange offered money, then you might have a case under the Espionage Act. But he didn't.

If we go back to the Pentagon Papers case, Ellsberg had plenty of contact with the Times before they published the documents, including coordination of delivery - Ellsberg leaked 43 volumes, not a small stack of papers easily handed over.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. Well, if I were you I would read those logs, they are available online, because I read them
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

and saw no such thing.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
21. Which logs? This doesn't concern the Lamo logs, but the "Nathaniel Franks"
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:24 PM
Aug 2012

ones presented at the artcle 32.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
6. It will all depended on the context of the book
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:12 AM
Aug 2012

If it can be proven he disclosed classified security in his book he's going down.

Believe me when I say that members of JAG will be reading the book.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
7. It is an empty warning if he doesn't enforce the binding agreement in this case.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:27 AM
Aug 2012

"If I see another 5 books like this, I'm going to be very angry. And and can assure you , you don't want to make me angry. Yes, if there are 15 more books, I am going to go into action like you wouldn't believe. The author of that 30th book will know he has met his match. I'm not messing around here."

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
8. Well then, will wait for you to bring this service member
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:29 AM
Aug 2012

back, for the required court martial, and I am dead serious on that. Otherwise, bluster will not help.

RickFromMN

(478 posts)
10. Criminal prosecution is nothing compared to what some Al Qaeda terrorist will try to do.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:34 AM
Aug 2012

Should Matt Bissonnette, or whatever his name is, be allowed in a witness protection like program, whatever the name of the program is that would try to protect him from an Al Qaeda terrorist?

The civilized side of me says we have to protect him even though he did something bad.

The vengeful side of me says let him fend for himself.
See how he likes looking over his shoulder the rest of his life.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. His identity can be changed
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:51 PM
Aug 2012

...and now he has a reason for wanting that.

The government's interest in non-disclosure and his interest in a new identity seem, to me, to be the basis for a deal.

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
29. I was pretty shocked to see that Fox News outted him for that very reason.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:13 AM
Aug 2012

How did they find out? Seems like they got that info very quickly.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
11. I want them to go after FOX NEWS...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:50 AM
Aug 2012

They outed the author, and got him listed on every al qaeda assassin's hit list. Go after Fox News Corporation, and bring it down, please, oh please.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
25. What Fox did was loathesome
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:02 PM
Aug 2012

But if they didn't break any laws, then there isn't anything that can be done, other than continuing to try to discredit them as a news outlet.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
23. Cover up your illegal sh*t all you want sucker, it's all still coming out in the wash. n/t
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
24. I don't see any accusation this former SEAL has broken that contract.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
Aug 2012

If the former SEAL broke the law, he should face the consequences.

If he didn't, he shouldn't be threatened for using his right of free speech to say whatever the hell he wants to, short of breaking a law.



summerschild

(725 posts)
26. He wrote it under a psuedonym and clearly put his own life in danger
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
Aug 2012

when a faux journalist at faux news ratted him out. He put his own life in danger regardless of whether classified info was revealed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-57500137-503543/al-qaeda-calls-for-death-of-navy-seal-who-authored-book-on-bin-laden-mission/

Freedom of speech isn't the same as for ordinary citizens for these guys. People in sensitive positions must have publications approved by the Pentagon, I believe.

I feel bad for the guy - I admire these people so much - but it wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do.

The faux journalist on the other hand is scott-free. I just hope the admiral reams him and Fox News out PUBLICLY and demands an apology from Fox ON FOX!

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
28. Meh. Did he break a law or contract, or not?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:52 AM
Aug 2012

His outing is a real outrage, too. Wow. Fox News should really pay for that. Dumbasses. AP too.

summerschild

(725 posts)
30. He discussed their highly secretive work. He put his own safety in jeopardy.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:53 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:35 PM - Edit history (2)

At this point we don't know if the book also gives clues about others' identities, or if 'classified' info is in it.

"McRaven, the former commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, reminded fellow members of the special-operations community reminding them that they signed binding documents designed to keep them from discussing their highly secretive work."

“If the U.S. Special Operations Command finds that an active-duty, retired or former service member violated that agreement and that exposure of information was detrimental to the safety of U.S. forces, then we will pursue every option available to hold members accountable, including criminal prosecution where appropriate.”


I'm sure not a lawyer, but to me, looks like he did break the contract.

And I agree Fox should be publicly demeaned - but that "right to free speech" may prevent more than public embarassment.
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