Certainly, there is a concerted effort to oust Biden

[berni_mccoy]

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If you have any question about it just ask Howard Dean whose presidential aspirations were shut down over an enthusiastic scream.

This is absolutely a disgrace.

[dlk]

1. Keep in Mind, It Worked So Well With Senator Franken

There's nothing like success...

[greymattermom]

2. Biden made a great statement.

Now he should just ignore it. There will be another thing to talk about soon, with the subpoenas coming.

[democratisphere]

3. I just picked myself up off the floor.

Lindsey Graham just STRONGLY defended Joe Biden publicly on TV.

[tinrobot]

6. Because he wants him to be the candidate.

Not sure if that's simply because they're friends or something more sinister...

[Autumn]

9. I think this is why they floated Biden being the candidate they fear against Trump.

Republicans will say Dems can't complain about Trump and his attitude towards women because ... Hey look at the nominee Biden. They can get a lot of ads out of this and being hypocrites doesn't bother them at all. That's a bonus.

[democratisphere]

14. There is a huge difference between drumpf's sexual harassment and

Joe Biden's love and compassion for people. Don't know how you could square the two?

[Autumn]

18. I'm not squaring the two, try and read my post again. There's a world of difference.

But I know what Republicans do and anyone who doesn't think they will use this is an idiot. Yeah Republicans just want to stick up for Biden out of the goodness of their hearts.

[democratisphere]

28. Or it might be because Joe Biden is a great man and an even better human being.

[GemDigger]

29. There might be a touch of humanity and common sense left in LG and maybe, just maybe, he knows

that Joe is the best to come after trump and save the country in the geopolitical scheme of things.

[loyalsister]

13. Because many if not most men from that generation

have similar and sometimes worse histories. I feel sure that's why Anita Hill was so mistreated and Thomas is on the USSC.

[democratisphere]

25. That simply is NOT TRUE.

Where do people get these ideas?!

[watoos]

4. Joe should not let this issue stop him from running.

I guarantee that this will not be an issue in the general election if Joe wins the nomination. I doubt that Republicans will want to debate who the bigger pervert is, Biden or Trump. I didn't word that right, I don't consider Biden a pervert.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. I think he should come out swinging - not against the women, of course,

but against the suggestion that he was ever acting with improper intent - and explain clearly how he has been an advocate for women. He can't let himself be sexually swiftboated. I remember when Kerry was running and the whole swiftboat canard was circulated, and his campaign made the decision to ignore it rather than give it undeserved attention. That turned out to be a mistake. It's no longer possible to ignore these sorts of hit jobs in the hope that they will just go away, because the perpetrators will ensure that they won't. You have to hit back.

[guillaumeb]

8. What counts for more?

Biden's claimed intent, or the perceptions of the women?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. That's not the point. The point is that we can believe that a certain thing happened

and we can believe what the women said about how they felt about it. The thing we can't assume to be true is that his intent was inappropriate or predatory. It is more likely, based on what we know of him, that it wasn't.

[guillaumeb]

20. Agreed.

But perhaps his pattern needs changing.

[Demsrule86]

19. Neither, because it is bullshit to use made me feel uncomfortable'

in this way. This is not me too and will destroy me too...it is a politically motivated hit on a decent man. I have a Dad , brothers and a wonderful husband who should not face such bullshit atacks which can`t be defended against easily. Consider the similarity to the communist hunt in the 50 's. Unproven accusations of often innocent behavior were all it took....waiting for the ' have you no decency moment'.

[lame54]

7. You guarantee?...

And if Trump beats him in the general due to this what do I get?

[PDittie]

17. I think you might

already be mistaken.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/436942-pro-trump-group-to-release-creepy-joe-biden-ad

[DontBooVote]

10. So, we're still talking about Joe Biden? I'm glad our priorities are in order.

[berni_mccoy]

21. In case you aren't paying attention it's still the main story

More women have come forward with stories of awkwardness with Biden.

[DontBooVote]

23. And what is the disposition of the cases/allegations brought against Al Franken?

How is that working out right now?

Also, are you a Bernie Sanders supporter?

Why is this the main story?

[berni_mccoy]

24. Uhhhh

[DontBooVote]

27. Is that all you got?

[berni_mccoy]

30. I honestly have no idea what you are referring to

Or why your questions are relevant.

[zipplewrath]

11. Nah

Dean's problems started before the Scream. Gephardt hammered him leading up to the Iowa Caucuses. He came in a distant 3rd behind Kerry and Edwards and never recovered. I'm dubious the scream was ever more than an excuse for people who already had soured on him.

[Javaman]

15. this is how it's going to go down...

if Biden chooses not to run (he still hasn't announced), then the right wing rage machine will go after the next person on the list, then they will drop out, then the right wing rage machine will go to the next one and on and on.

this is their plan, bet on it.

Biden, like him or hate him, believe him or not, we have to hold firm, he has to hold firm. It is up to us Dems to decide whether or not we want him to represent us, not the pundits, not the accusers, not the ever changing tide of public option as presented to us by the media. It's up to us.

[geardaddy]

16. Well said. n/t

[DontBooVote]

26. Exactly right. Because we aid and abet them in doing it.

[George II]

22. I hope it backfires. He's not my first choice but I'm feeling better and better about him...

...every day. These sudden announcements about incidents years ago are, as you say, a disgrace.

[Yonnie3]

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