BREAKING: NYT Story..Mueller Investigators Say Findings More Troubling For Trump Than Barr Indicated

[uponit7771]

Sounds like the leaks are starting ..

I'm shocked ... shocked that Barr would understate the report ...


EDIT: Now on Hardball ... NYT Story


More to come

EDIT: (prediction) : Troubling means illegal cause Trump the Child Snatcher doesn't have ... ANY ... shame.

Update: NOT FROM NYT YET ... from MSNBC -

NYT: Some on Mueller’s team see their findings more damaging for Trump

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/nyt-some-on-mueller-s-team-see-their-findings-more-damaging-for-trump-1471712323990

Update: From NYT (paywall)

Mueller Investigators Say Findings More Troubling For Trump Than Barr Indicated

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-findings-barr.html

WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.

UPDATE: Looks like there are ... MULTIPLE ... summaries written by people associated with Mueller investigation <---- NOT VERIFIED YET !!!

[riversedge]

1. Why did they wait almost 2 weeks to say this??

[uponit7771]

2. +1, somethings wrong ... they know it ... we know it

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. They were probably waiting for a reporter to ask the questions

so they couldn't be accused of running to the media.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, or are under a gag order or edict of some kind

[ginny skinny]

8. To allow Dotard plenty of time to bloviate about "exoneration"

Thereby looking worse when more leaks out?

[stillcool]

9. maybe they were waiting..

for the April 2nd deadline?

[rufus dog]

63. I believe you are right

Let them hit the first hurdle then leak.

[renate]

69. That makes sense

As it is, I'm surprised that anybody on Mueller's team is speaking out without being called to testify. They must be really upset by the whitewashing.

[Strelnikov_]

44. Because it takes time for the Fake News to pursue leads . . .

corroborate what they have been told, fact check, run by editors for final review . . .

[hughee99]

73. If I understand right, they didn't say this to the press,

They said it to people they know (who knows how long ago) and those people have now told the press.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. My theory. Barr said "no worries" I will represent

The truth....yet it took a while for them to realize they were getting sandbagged.

[malaise]

4. Get thee to the greatest page

right fugging NOW!!

[MoonRiver]

5. K&R

Can't wait to hear more!

[uponit7771]

11. I'm thinking "troubling" illegal not just shameful cause Putin's Whore doesn't care about shameful

[Iliyah]

7. That is why McTurtle is rushing on the RW

Judges.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. +1

[JDC]

60. Indeed

[Ruby the Liberal]

62. !! Great catch

[Shell_Seas]

10. Link yet?

[uponit7771]

12. Not Yet, broke on Hardball ... Cyron from NYT

[W_HAMILTON]

14. Here:

Link to tweet

[uponit7771]

16. thx for this

[triron]

33. How much more troubling? Much more? I hope so.

[PeeJ52]

45. Uh oh...

[rufus dog]

65. FUCK THE NY TIMES

Really "SOME" FUCK THEM SIDEWAYS

"MORE DAMAGING" FUCK THEM SIDEWAYS AGAIN

Headline could easily be "Mueller's team state damaging information not representative of Barr memo.

[Ponietz]

74. +1

[manor321]

13. WOW!

Simmering frustrations!? Holy shit! Some of them sound PISSED!

[dalton99a]

15. One of the authors is Michael S. Schmidt

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-findings-barr.html
Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed
By Nicholas Fandos, Michael S. Schmidt and Mark Mazzetti
April 3, 2019

[uponit7771]

18. Is he usually a credible journalist? tia

[dalton99a]

22. He practically invented the Hillary email controversy

Nowadays he's like Maggie Haberman. Trump uses them for PR purposes, and they want access to him. So the truth is probably worse than what he's saying

[uponit7771]

26. Hmmmmm, or Red Don is baiting ... even if he is that's OK, I don't think too many peoples minds

... will be changed ... even MAGA Cultist KNOW Red Don do something untoward but think it's benign.

[BigmanPigman]

40. Schmidt pissed me off

when he reported last Sept. that Rosenstein suggested wearing a wire at the beginning of the administration. This was while he was still in charge of the investigation and could have caused tRump to fire him too.

[uponit7771]

49. So Schmidt is a Red Hatter opportunist ?! Hmmmmm, even if Red Don is baiting then at least we get

... see the report.

I don't think he's baiting though because of his response the day of, if this thing was really exonerating Red Don would be still whooping it up.

[gay texan]

17. I wonder if this is why Trump is losing his mind

He knows hes fucked

[uponit7771]

20. +1, we knew something was up when there wasn't a lot of flossing post report and that too Barr's

... unwillingness to release the whole damn thing without caveat and now this ... we know somethings not right.

[gldstwmn]

19. Drip! Here we go.

[Takket]

21. Well, DUH

[cstanleytech]

24. Someone needs to leak the entire report.

[LiberalLovinLug]

25. +1000

[uponit7771]

30. +1, someone has the entire report

[pangaia]

86. I actually think somebody will..

[malaise]

27. Preet is on Chris Hayes NOW

Barr will do down in disgrace - lock him up too

[Ponietz]

75. Hell yes--an Attorney General can obstruct justice the same way any other person can

It is far past time for arrests to be made. That bastard isn’t immune.

[Blue Owl]

28. NYT says "NYET"

n/t

[orangecrush]

29. Damn!

[raging moderate]

31. Barr wrote a specious whitewash.

Barr later admitted that he did not write a summary. And Mueller stated that his report did not exonerate Donald Trump.

[uponit7771]

50. "Barr later admitted that he did not write a summary" THIS! In that same statement he said "summary"

[raging moderate]

84. Liars often have trouble keeping their lies straight, don't they?

These guys are all twisted up like pretzels in their heads! I wonder if they ever listen to themselves.

[uponit7771]

59. +1, "troubling means illegal" Red Don doesn't care about troubling

[yellowcanine]

34. So who is going to take one for the team and release the entire thing?

[pangaia]

87. I will ! I will!

[caballojm]

35. Now where did I put my shocked face?

Barr's a hack, and I hope they get him on obstruction too.

[uponit7771]

47. +1, What the hell does he think he's doing !?!?

[Ponietz]

76. +1

[nolabear]

36. Time to see that report. And to remember not to panic next time.

We know how guilty he is. We know he didn’t win all those golf trophies and his doctor is a shill. We know he’s a shady con man. We know all kinds of things are true. We know he’d lie, cheat and sell his children’s souls to get out of this. We’re just about to see it shown.

[LenaBaby61]

37. Oh, I'm totally here for it ....

[Ligyron]

72. Great dress.

$%#@, now I'm distracted.

[spooky3]

38. Good. Anyone care to make a prediction on my thread?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211982239

[uponit7771]

46. +1, I predicted that "troubling" is understating things seeing Red Don doesn't care about "troubling

... he cares about what he can get away with.

[Fritz Walter]

41. Uh oh! Guess what day it is!

Wonder if this was happening in the West Wing.

Today, I’m that camel!

[uponit7771]

43. Still a hit for GEICO

[Scarsdale]

89. I LOVE that

commercial! Barr has already shamed himself and his family by lying in public. We ALL know better than to take a few lines from him as gospel. 400 pages, condensed into 4?? I wonder if tRump wrote the summary? Nah, it would have declared him totally innocent. Can Barr be taken out for incompetence?

[PeeJ52]

42. Yippee Leaks!!! Barr couldn't keep his pudgy little fingers in those holes forever!

Long live freedom! Long live democracy! Long live decency!

[Turbineguy]

48. Not releasing the report makes sense.

The trump administration worry that sensitive information will be exposed and people will be outed. You know, the way republicans behave?

[uponit7771]

52. Right ... The Kremlin KKKlan can't be trusted and they'd be outed and KGOP doesn't want that

[Azathoth]

51. Would have been nice if they had leaked this the day after Barr's letter

Sigh.

[uponit7771]

54. Seeing that a majority of republicans want to see the report I don't think it made the impression...

... Red Don thinks it should have made.

Also, 80% of Americans can't decided whether or not its raining but 80% of Americans want to see the Mueller report.

Looks like Barr's "summary" backfired ... which means a lot of Americans were paying attention enough to know Barr was a political flunky vs the SC.

We'll see, a lil bit in me says Red Don is baiting on the report but we don't know unless the whole thing is released to congress.

[Takket]

53. funny all this celebrating from the right has ceased........

i think they actually thought if drumpf just said he was exonerated, and they starting calling for jailing of democrats based on the false Barr memo, that the public would actually "get on board" and accept the memo as the official report.

didn't happen.

now all the "spiking of footballs" from the right has suddenly ceased.

[uponit7771]

56. I think I heard their party end when the first poll saying 87% of Americans think the full report

... should be given.

We can't get 80% of America to agree that good affordable health care is needed !!!

Then another poll with a majority of republicans wanting to see the report.

Meaning the Barr "summary" didn't have the effect Red Don thought it would

[onetexan]

55. I recall reading a couple weeks ago the majority of Americans don't believe Barr

so i don't think he has set the narrative and that Americans' views will have hardened. Dems and those conservatives not in line with this corrupt party and the media will just need to keep this coverup at the forefront so they can't change the narrative, to the point Barr is forced to give up the report in full or it's leaked. In the meantime, it's good those who worked on Mueller's team is starting to come out. I think we will see alot of that going forward now that the report has been released.

[uponit7771]

57. +1, I don't see a Nixon Tapes 2.0 beng a positive for the Kremlin KKKlan going into the next ...

... elections.

Even if Barr released redacted parts that sounds ... exactly ... like what happened to Nixon ... I wasn't alive back then ... but it sounds like history is at least ryhming

[at140]

58. Can hardly wait for release of Mueller

entire report in mid-April!

[CentralMass]

83. It won't happen.

[at140]

85. I am sure will see the full report in mid-April

but it will be heavily redacted. Anything bad for Drumpf will be blacked out.

[kentuck]

61. This puts a lot of heat on Barr to turn over the report...

...when members of Mueller's team disagree with him, something has to be resolved.

Quickly.

[uponit7771]

64. +1, Barr will most likely give another "letter" about his summary non summary. Barr sounds like ...

... another MAGA Cultist dumbass

[Demsrule86]

94. I doubt Barr will go to jail for Trump. He knows what happened to Nixon's

AG.

[Rhiannon12866]

66. Wasn't that the aim of the whole investigation?

I thought that the report was meant for Congress.

[machoneman]

67. O.K. Here's the deal....

Mueller's associates are not barred (ironic term, eh?) from speaking to the press, etc. They can in broad terms (as they apparently have) say they disagreed, even totally, with the AG's summary. No total gag order here for sure and many may have parts, at least, of the report itself. But, to release same now could/would open them to (per vindictive prick Trump) charges as would being quite specifc orally or in writing to the press.

Beyond that, even the grand jury folks, who apparently are legion, can use very broad strokes and likely not get into trouble even with Barr's now corrupt office. They like Mueller's team cannot spill the beans on most all issues nor can they delineate all they saw and heard. But even broad brushes like (my example) saying that they know of quite detailed testimony that hasn't been revealed yet....yes, this they could do yet many are likely cowed (no, not Devin Nune's cow!) by instruction they got at the end of their service.

Due to all kinds of pressure, fear that the report will leak, fear of past precedent (Nixon; yeah, the rules for the special prosecutor then were different but...) , Barr fearful of the mistake he's already made...I have no doubt we'll see in 2019 the entire report WITH the redactions uncovered but not the actual grand jury testimony for those not indicted (Trump). It's o.k. since the rest apparently will damn him to hell. Or, at least back to Trump Tower where the SDNY folks and police will be awaiting his last helicopter ride back home!

[RHMerriman]

70. Barr is on his way to becoming John Mitchell...

Barr is on his way to becoming John Mitchell...

Nineteen months in federal prison, motherfucker.

https://jacklimpert.com/2018/05/went-attorney-general-john-mitchell-went-to-prison-youre-just-a-convict-now-like-the-rest-of-us/]

[uponit7771]

88. Didn't know this, but couldn't find out ... HOW ... Mitchell obstructed

[rso]

68. Mueller

This is the proverbial “shot across the Bow” from Mueller’s people to Barr. The message is that if you suppress negative aspects of the report, we will speak out. An old, typical and effective modus operandus in DC.

[uponit7771]

71. +1, hmmmm maybe they were waiting for today also

[Ponietz]

77. The rat bastards are stalling for time

to suborn witnesses, destroy evidence, appoint rat bastard judges, liquidate U.S. assets for their own pockets.

[Dawson Leery]

78. Drip, Drip, Drip, Drip, Drip, Drip, Drip, Drip

Does William Barr remember that time AG John Mitchell went to prison?

[Stuart G]

79. I am totally "shocked" that there is gambling going on in here.

[Dopers_Greed]

80. Oh great, glad that the M$M decided to report this...

After a few weeks of "Trump totally exonerated," "Total victory for Trump," and "Mueller found nothing."

[Stuart G]

81. It will all come out hopefully soon.... remember ... "Trump is a Crook"

TRUMP WAS A CROOK,
TRUMP WILL ALWAYS BE A CROOK!!!!!!!!!!!


SO...do you think one of the best crook capturers in the country..is not going to capture 'THE CROOK"...

now...it may not happen in our time frame....that is maybe next month, or 3 months from now..or more, or less.....but, the bottom line.....is this......

........TRUMP IS A CROOK, HAS BEEN, IS NOW, AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CROOK

........The former head of the FBI and current head of this investigation...will get the crook...WHY?
.........That is what he does. And Mueller likes to get the big ones. And guess who is the biggest one?
.........................We all know who.....and Mueller will get him...That is what I believe...one more idea....
..........................They got Nixon, and in many ways, Trump is much worse.........that's all folks.

[Locrian]

90. here's my take....

* Mueller's scope was limited to the time of the election
* He didn't find enough collusion DURING that time
* He did find obstruction - or recommend looking in to it - this is what we "don't know".

* trump looked it and said "no collusion" and was ecstatic that Muller ONLY LOOKED DURING ELECTION - because if he would have looked **before*** he would have found money laundering etc. THAT was why trump was goose stepping and high fiving - he thought he dodged the real issue that occurred before and after.

* But he's now freaking out about the obstruction - because THATS why (the before money laundering, meeting with putin w/o anyone else present etc) he obstructed. And from there it may still unravel.

[uponit7771]

91. +1, we don't know the scope of Mueller's investigation ... I'm more convinced now that we have

... a Russian asset as the president and absolutely no military readiness seeing we're compromised digitally.

[Johnny2X2X]

92. So what happens now?

They know that Barr is redacting every page of that report that is even remotely harmful to Trump. It's been shown Barr won't let the public know what's in the report.

Do the Mueller team summaries start to get leaked?

[uponit7771]

93. Make the full report release akin to Nixon Tapes 2.0

[Jarqui]

95. They're requesting all communications between Justice Department and the Special Counsel

Link to tweet

How does one redact those ??

[NastyRiffraff]

96. Barr had "frustrations" with Mueller

From the article:

At the same time, Mr. Barr and his advisers have expressed their own frustrations about Mr. Mueller and his team. Mr. Barr and other Justice Department officials believe the special counsel’s investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed the inquiry, according to the two government officials. After Mr. Mueller made no judgment on the obstruction matter, Mr. Barr stepped in to declare that he himself had cleared Mr. Trump of wrongdoing.

It sounds like Barr was "frustrated" with Mueller not because he made no judgment on obstruction, but because Mueller hadn't cleared Trump, so he stepped in and attempted to Trump himself. I don't think that will hold.

[uponit7771]

97. +1, but Barr's & his advisers don't say why he didn't make the call. We just need to see the report

... cause it looks like they're lying bold faced now.