This touchy feely Biden is a conspiracy

[dreamland]

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So far as I've read, Biden has been accused of being touchy. Most were the honest touch of compassion. You may not like him but that should not stop him from being human. Babies survive through touch, dogs need touch, and people too. Many are uncomfortable with touch, that is not the way they were raised. In my home, I grew up with little contacts (hugs) and my spouse's family hugs everyone they see. When I first encountered that, I was uneasy. I think more families are now growing without contact hugs and it is misinterpreted. I think many are completely oversensitive. How many were felt up and down? How many were confronted with sexual innuendos? A comforting hug, is a hug to help heal. A touch of foreheads, is an acknowledgement of one's pain. Too many are ready to railroad him and lose supporters by speaking out too soon. There will be much infighting even as a read it here in DU. I don't want Trump for 2020.

[Demit]

1. Who gets to determine when people are "oversensitive?"

In my experience that's usually an accusation made by a person who has offended and doesn't want to acknowledge it.

[Demsrule86]

2. I am done with this shit....the latest one claims he held her shoulders a little to long

A poster opines what HR would do. It wasn't at work. These politically motivated liars...yes the "l" word is fair- have destroyed me to and are trying to destroy a decent man, I loathe them all and don't believe one word.

[Demit]

4. Actually, I was asking a general question.

[hlthe2b]

6. yup

[hlthe2b]

5. Maybe those who see that this is a systematic dismantling of "Me-Too" that has, in effect,

infantilized women. This isn't empowering women--at all. And yes, I believe it is intentionally meant to destroy not only Biden, but the Me-Too movement.

And we are allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

You have your opinions and I'm sure what I posted won't change them. But this older staunch feminist sees what is happening for what it is and I'm not going to be silenced. We fought for women to be taken seriously when we stand up for ourselves--not for some paternalistic protection program to address our failure to merely rebuke someone with a simple request to avoid nonsexual contact that makes us uncomfortable.

Do we have every right not to be touched in any way whatsoever? Absolutely. Should the oneness not be on the individual to express that, rather than trying to equate it with the most significant issue of sexual assault, power-based sexual harassment, and related abuse that ME-TOO was meant to address? The effect of the latter is to diminish ME TOO and, unfortunately, to empower those who truly ARE the problem in this culture. All so that a truly good man like Biden might be driven from the race or at least weakened.

Some days, it seems we are our own worse enemy and our opponents not only KNOW that they capitalize on it.

[Demit]

8. "Do we have every right not to be touched in any way whatsoever? Absolutely." I agree.

"Should the oneness not be on the individual to express that?" Isn't that what women are doing?

Women are saying No, it's not all right to touch me whenever you feel like it.

Because there are men who do that. Those men have to stop thinking they have permission to touch you because they've given themselves permission to do it.

I don't know if the women's stories were politically motivated. But Joe Biden is vulnerable to the criticism because he has long been one of those men who give permission to themselves to touch people however and whenever he likes.

[hlthe2b]

9. Bullshit. I have had decades among women who were equally demonstrative...

and Biden has always been nonsexually "touchy" with both men and women.

You fail, big time. I'm undecided. Clearly, you are very anti-Biden. Great. Don't vote for him, but enough.

I fought for decades for women's equality. Not to be treated as helpless delicate flowers unable/unwilling to set their own boundaries and speak up for themselves and certainly NOT to paint all women as endless, helpless victims AND MOST CERTAINLY not to use their portrayal of helplessness as a cudgel to destroy their political opponents.

[Demsrule86]

14. Complete nonsense,women can speak up. This is already backfiring on all

women which is a damn shame.

[Demsrule86]

13. Perfect post. Women are losing power and stature with this nonsense.

[Demsrule86]

10. Sorry no one gets to define another person. Total BS if this works,

no candidate will be safe. Your question is like the charges against Biden nebulous with no possible answer...perfect for smearing and it will be used against all our candidates. If this continues, we lose.

[Demit]

15. Quite right. No one should get to define anyone as "oversensitive."

It's a subjective judgment.

[TexasBushwhacker]

3. Perhaps, but we'd be damn fools to ignore it.

We have a wealth of qualified candidates this time around. ignoring this issue with Biden is like ignoring the blind hate people had for Clinton in 2016. The issue will not go away. I will support someone else in the primaries.

[Mme. Defarge]

7. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Who’s the next most electable candidate?

[Demsrule86]

12. What we don't have many of is those who can win the 2020 election. The idea that any of our

yes talented candidates can win is bullshit. Trump will not be easy to beat in the electoral college.

[malaise]

11. Yep - it suddenly sprung up when the polls showed

he'd beat the Con

[Omaha Steve]

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