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Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:26 AM

Question: IF Barr did what we know he did, would this make tRUMP a co-conspirator?

UNABLE to pardon BARR? Just wondering.

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Reply Question: IF Barr did what we know he did, would this make tRUMP a co-conspirator? (Original post)
bluestarone Apr 2019 OP
marylandblue Apr 2019 #1
bluestarone Apr 2019 #2
marylandblue Apr 2019 #5
unblock Apr 2019 #6
Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #3
bluestarone Apr 2019 #4

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:31 AM

1. Technically, Trump can pardon co-conspirators.

The limits of pardon have never been tested. At this point, it's not even clear anyone would have standing to contest a pardon.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:36 AM

2. tRUMP as a co-conspirator can STILL pardon BARR?

I thought that IF he is a co-conspirator he COULD NOT pardon? Just trying to understand the process. TY

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:45 AM

5. Yes, it's a plenary power, meaning no real limits.

Bush I pardoned the Iran Contra conspirators. Some say he was a conspirator, but that was never proven, and it never went to court.

Any court challenge now is uncharted territory.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:46 AM

6. it's extremely unlikely that a presidential pardon would be deemed invalid

as long is it related to a federal crime that already happened (he can't pardon future crimes or non-federal crimes).

the only sort-of question is whether or not he can pardon himself. i think that's a clear no, but i'll grant that it's a fair issue.


now, once he does grant a pardon to a co-conspirator, that could be deemed a high crime and misdemeanor that he could be impeached and removed for. it could even be deemed to be an obstruction of justice or part of a witness tampering case against the president (e.g., if the pardon was a payoff for lying).

but the pardon would still stand, even if the president then goes to prison for having granted it.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:43 AM

3. It sure as hell makes Barr a co-conspirator.

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Response to Firestorm49 (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:44 AM

4. Fully agree!

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