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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:16 PM Aug 2012

The RW is like the Soviet Union breaking up

Added on Edit: This is an analogy. The OP does not say anywhere that the US is breaking up. The crisis within the Republican Party is the topic.
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When the Soviet Union was breaking up the risk of nuclear war over a fifty year time frame was decreasing while the risk of nuclear war in a one-year time frame was escalating. Could we make it through the breakup without some hard-line true believers deciding to go down with the ship?

That is what US demographics feel like to me. The Right Wing cannot survive long-term unless we reintroduce limiting the franchise to property owners. Creating a democracy full of hopeless peasants is not a stable dynamic.

But rather than seeking to remain relevant to the flow of history, the RW is spinning into increasingly impractical and delusional extremes.

All RW cults are ultimately suicide cults—neither Nazism not the American Confederacy was going to win in the long run, and many of them knew that going in.

My way or the blaze of glory highway.

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The RW is like the Soviet Union breaking up (Original Post) cthulu2016 Aug 2012 OP
The U.S. isn't ProSense Aug 2012 #1
I don't think I said the US was breaking up cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #2
This is where ProSense Aug 2012 #10
We look like the Soviets in Afghanistan now. RagAss Aug 2012 #3
That's what people said during the Depression, the Civil Rights era, the VietNam era and MichiganVote Aug 2012 #4
Reading the OP might help. Sigh. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #6
Dmitry Orlov tama Aug 2012 #5
I actually read your op... johnd83 Aug 2012 #7
Unholy alliance. Yep limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #9
I think the solution is to re-explain the difference between laissez faire markets and free markets johnd83 Aug 2012 #11
The US and USSR converged. The RW are inverted Old Commmunists, American-style. leveymg Aug 2012 #8
Altogether an interest OP and thread. nt longship Aug 2012 #12

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. The U.S. isn't
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:20 PM
Aug 2012

"breaking up." There are some very vocal and desperate people trying to create the impression that they are mightier than everyone else.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. I don't think I said the US was breaking up
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:28 PM
Aug 2012

The OP is a metaphor about the psychological dynamic of ideologues dealing with the inevitable decline of their ideology.

Everyone knows that US demographics will doom the current RW over the next generation, but rather than dealing with that reality the RW is more ideologically extreme than ever.

They have an Alamo mindset.

To people concerned with long-term economic rapine, like Karl Rove, it is frustrating. Rove is always talking about how to draw hispanics into the Republican fold, as a demographic necessity. But the RW true-believers want to shoot all the mexicans.

Rove doesn't want a suicide cult, he wants a permanent majority. Money and power. But when you live by exploiting ideologues you die by exploiting ideologues. The RW is beyond the control of the moneyed-interests that created it.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. This is where
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:22 PM
Aug 2012
To people concerned with long-term economic rapine, like Karl Rove, it is frustrating. Rove is always talking about how to draw hispanics into the Republican fold, as a demographic necessity. But the RW true-believers want to shoot all the mexicans.

Rove doesn't want a suicide cult, he wants a permanent majority. Money and power. But when you live by exploiting ideologues you die by exploiting ideologues. The RW is beyond the control of the moneyed-interests that created it.

...I disagree. Rove fans the flame of that crap. Whatever his dream goal, he and all the other Republicans who pander to the RW know exactly what they're doing. I mean, Romney just pandered to birthers.

IOW, Rove is just as desperate as the teabaggers.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
4. That's what people said during the Depression, the Civil Rights era, the VietNam era and
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:30 PM
Aug 2012

so on and so forth.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
5. Dmitry Orlov
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

This writer and blogger who has experienced Soviet Collapse and is predicting PO-related US collapse might be of interest: http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/

johnd83

(593 posts)
7. I actually read your op...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:58 PM
Aug 2012

The RW has always been an unholy alliance between the Ayn Rand crowd and "Christian" conservatives. How such diametrically opposed groups could survive in the same party for as long as they did is a mystery to begin with. I guess there was enough bigotry in the Christian side to keep the group together.

A cornered animal is always the most dangerous, and these guys know that their time is almost up demographically. The question is how much damage they can do (I guess they don't actually see it as damage, rather an ideology) they can do before they are out of time.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
9. Unholy alliance. Yep
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:17 PM
Aug 2012

The "legitimate rape" crowd are becoming increasingly cornered. If Akin had made the same comment 20 years ago it might have sailed on through without much attention. This time even most of his own party tried to throw him under the bus. The cultural conservatives are becoming gradually marginalized.

But that doesn't spell the death of the right wing economic ideologies like libertarianism, supply-side trickle down, corporate welfare, privitization, crappy trade deals, etc. That garbage is stronger than ever because it has infested both parties.

johnd83

(593 posts)
11. I think the solution is to re-explain the difference between laissez faire markets and free markets
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:29 PM
Aug 2012

You need to have some regulation in the market to prevent concentration of wealth. Laissez faire economics are inherently unstable. A soccer game is unstable in the same way; without a ref it would just turn into a bunch of guys running around checking and kicking each other in the shins.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. The US and USSR converged. The RW are inverted Old Commmunists, American-style.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

The Right-wing, the Teabaggers, and the national security Mandarins are the last of the true-believers in a system that demonstrably has failed to deliver the world conquering benefits its ideological adherents believed were inevitable, necessary and due.

Yes, the US empire like the USSR before it is breaking up, but in a different way. Our assets are being sold-off, and millions of American jobs liquidated, in an economic purge that is Stalinist in its ruthlessness by the most corrupt Inner Party members on Wall Street and in Washington.

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