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I had not heard this word before, but it provides a very interesting perspective on the perversity of what is going on in the minds of trump cultists. Here is a video (one of several) by Timothy Snyder that explains the phenomenon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=228&v=oOjJtEkKMX4
Additionally, Teri Kanefield does an excellent job of explaining how it works:
https://terikanefield-blog.com/sadopopulism/
"Maybe it isnt spite. Maybe its what Yale prof. @TimothyDSnyder calls Sadopopulism.
What the heck is that? you ask? Snyder talks about sadopopulism here.
Sadopopulism explains how oligarchsthose who seek to have both power and wealthstay in power.
It works like this: Sadopopulist leaders enact policies designed to inflict suffering on the people. Policies such as tax cuts for the rich and eliminating health insurance for millions of Americans creates an abundance of suffering.
The leader directs that suffering into anger at the enemies (immigrants, minorities, migrants seeking asylum, Democrats, etc.
While this perspective doesn't provide us with immediate solutions, it does help explain the cultish reactions of trump followers and their delight in his lies and their willingness to accept cognitive dissonance. It also helps explain why trump is a master deceiver while we beat ourselves over the head trying to convince everyone how stupid he is.
cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)I posted this over the weekend.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)sorry I missed your post. Am glad to join the club!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Should be to NEVER let them see us phased by it. Never show them it hurts. Never.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Initially, that is the more successful response to bullying. Ultimately we have to actually somehow stand up to the bully to get them to fully back down.
I think we also have to find a strategy to the larger question of how to deprogram those who fall for these techniques without eliminating freedom of speech. I'm at a loss as to how to discredit things like faux news and psyops on the American public by our own intelligence agencies. Certainly we need to get rid of the concentration in media sources and concentrations of income and wealth.
Karadeniz
(22,486 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)How can you combat sadism? It also seems linked to masochism, since the people who like Trump are being hurt themselves, but they think he is such a great leader.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)There is also a link between the underlying ideas of authoritarianism and the roughly one-third of any population that supposedly is wired into that form of thinking/behavior. (see authoritarians/ Robert Altemeyer, eg: https://www.theauthoritarians.org/)
Both trump and his followers would be considered authoritarians--idealizing the strong-man/patriarchal norm. A few become leaders and others the sheep or happy sycophants.
In the discussions about sadopopulism I found it interesting that the adherents or trumpists rationalize his actions and moves as fine because they think he is just playing n-dimensional chess and thus making them "winners" in the game of life.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)and how they were middle class, and sadomasochists. I myself have never known a sadomasochist, so I wonder about that type of person. My young nephew likes Trump and the only thing I can think of is that he needs to fit in and please the larger population, he lives in Alaska. He definitely is not sadistic or masochistic. I asked him on facebook why he likes Trump, and he gave me this vague, long winded explanation, which I just left alone. I just got the courage to ask him what specific policy of Trump's he likes, and will see what he says. I don't want to get in trouble with Mama Bear, my sister.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)I am trying to practice more restraint, but it is really difficult for me. If they are not totally committed, too much questioning can drive them right into the bosom of the beast.
Secondly, I think there is probably a whole spectrum of tendencies towards sado-masochistic qualities. So while it may be hard to identify with sadomasochists, most of us probably have some unrecognized minor form of it--such as the joy of winning competitions where someone else necessarily loses. I have no idea if there is some trigger that can drive people to become full blown sadomasochists. If there is, it sure seems like that trigger has been pulled on a massive level.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,312 posts)Populism requires an "us" and a "them," which in politics is always weaponized.