JACK PINE RADICALS in a nutshell...

[brooklynite]

I will never vote for a Democrat again, and I am voting for Bernie because he is Bernie, the “D” disgusts me.

Nice that these folks are gone from our shores.

[bearsfootball516]

1. I wasn't around here in the 2016 primaries, but I've heard it was a bit of a clusterf*ck at times...

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. At times?

More like most of the time.

[Drahthaardogs]

15. The PUMAs were just as bad.

Some of them are still around too!

[Blue_true]

29. For those that are new, PUMA means "Party Unity My Ass".

The PUMAs were particularly virulent Hillary Clinton supporters who swore (and many did not) that they would not vote for then Senator Barack Obama. I was a strong Hillary supporter in 2008, but not a PUMA, I maxed out for President Obama once it was clear that he was the nominee. I did not join DU until after the 2010 midterms disaster, so I don't know which DU members were PUMAs.

[NYC Liberal]

35. Difference is that Hillary did not encourage PUMAs at all, and spoke out against them.

Sanders, by his words and actions (and lack thereof), did very little to discourage the equivalent faction of his base in 2016.

[Blue_true]

38. Yep. One only has to look at what happened at our convention as a starter.

Plus Bernie going away for more than a month after the convention and even after coming back did not try to calm down his supporters.

People like to write that a higher percentage of PUMAs voted for McCain than Bernie supporters that voted third party of for Trump. They ignore that Hillary's devout activism for President Obama GREATLY deminished defections. I was a strong Hillary supporter and was hot as President Obama kept pulling away and was livid when he didn't chose her as VP. But when Hillary joined him on a campaign stage immediately after she conceded and said "vote for Barack, because I will be", that was it for me, I was 100% behind the President after that moment, if she had not done that, my hard feelings could have lingered.

[Hortensis]

60. Antagonistic, aggressive sorts are very typical of populists,

and Sanders was and is trying to lead a populist movement. He also has left-wing dissident types, but they share hostility toward mainstream liberals with the social conservatives who dominate populist movements and fall in with their behaviors.

Knowing that, it was a huge non-surprise seeing them chanting "lock-her-up" at our national convention just like their fellow despicables in Trump's camp. Sanders sitting there silent without even pretending to try to stop them was interesting, but he had brought them to the party... And frankly, I doubted he could have.

[Blue_true]

73. When people show up at a convention to disrupt like they did, there really is no control.

They can be tear gassed during their wild protests, but where would that have led?

They came into the convention hall to totally disrupt. I do think Bernie could have done something in the convention hall, he could have asked for 5 minutes to address them and calm them down, I am sure that would have been readily granted. But Bernie did nothing as the grotesque acts from his supporters grew in number.

[Hortensis]

74. Well, it was shocking, and we need to be prepared

for more this election. I could see Sanders refusing to drop out for months and clinging to the spotlight and whomever he's drawn from the right especially, and they of course would understand their role. But maybe he'll surprise us this time by genuinely getting behind one of the frontrunners. That'd enrage the worst of his followers of course.

The WaPo has a new article about how Russia targeted Sanders supporters, and others. They will again regardless of what Sanders himself does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-russian-effort-to-target-sanders-supporters--and-help-elect-trump/2019/04/11/741d7308-5576-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html?utm_term=.7565218b221e

[yardwork]

72. I can't think of a single DUer who said they were a PUMA.

The only one I met in RL was a conservative evangelical Christian. They never intended to vote for any Democrat, ever.

[Cha]

24. You heard mostly right.

[Codeine]

32. Don't worry, they're still here

and still alerting.

[mcar]

2. Ugh

[DFW]

3. I see they have made the great leap from purgatory to nowhere

They must enjoy each other's company over there. Let them.

If you wish to update an old joke, in blog heaven, a recent arrival is being led around for a guided tour. He and his guide come to an immense tall walled-off enclosure. "Who is behind that wall?" asks the new arrival? "SHHHHH!" admonishes the guide. "Behind that wall is JPR. They think they're the only ones here."

[Mister Ed]

4. More like, "Jackpine Radicals in a nut's hell".

And I hope they stay there.

[BootinUp]

21. Lol. Nt

[Aristus]

6. They're still around.

And they're all over Facebook.

Thousands and thousands of Bernie posts with " 'Bernie 2020' lol!"

[DashOneBravo]

43. And they alerted on you bro

[Aristus]

44. Alerted on by a Bernie supporter.

How will I summon the will to go on?

1. I was a Bernie supporter until he lost the nomination.

2. He lost the nomination.

3. He won't get the nomination in 2020.

4. He's not a Democrat.

5. He, like Ralph Nader, has lost any interest in winning elections, and instead seems to be enjoying spoiling elections.

6. The only reason he isn't Trump's best friend is because Trump is his own best friend.

7. If Bernie supporters would rather have Trump as President than see a Democrat win in 2020, this is the wrong site for them. We're Democrats here.

[Maru Kitteh]

48. Thank you for that very insightful, accurate and succinct list. Very well stated.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. exactly...If we dont have a safe place to discuss what is ACTUALLY happening, we are doomed

[GentryDixon]

56. You just described me and my thoughts.

#NeverBernie

[radius777]

62. BoB's have a glass jaw, only do well in fever swamps

of social media, where in 2016 they had free reign. Hillary supporters were heavily PoC and women and older, and not as active on social media back then, and overall didn't want to cause trouble.

This time is different. You see alot more of the 'regular' Dem types swinging back hard at the alt-left/BoB's on social media, and they don't tolerate criticism well at all.

[Aristus]

63. Or, really, at all.

Ideological absolutists tend to be that way.

It's really starting to piss me off. I'm so far to the left on the spectrum, I'm about to fall off, but if I can recognize the practical political reality of winning elections as a method of bringing about positive political change, why the hell can't they?

[Hortensis]

64. Yup. The difference between nonextremists and extremists.

Compromise and cooperation are not bad words to you. The concept of respect for positions that differ from yours not positively oxymoronic.

[LanternWaste]

7. Removed from our shores but not, it seems, from our minds.

I kinda thought the point of ignoring a thing was to ignore it.

[Blue_true]

30. Some have come back into DU.

We can't ignore them because their intent is to divide us. They claim to share our values and often post about ideal progressive states. But make no mistake, they are perfectly ok with Trump being reelected.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. All over my Facebook

Basically trashing any and every Dem candidate and spreading Russian propaganda about them. Right now they hate O'Rourke and Biden most.

[trueblue2007]

20. they aren't on MY facebook wall. I am lucky that these people aren't bothering me

[cwydro]

50. Not on my Facebook either.

If they were, they wouldn’t last.

[radius777]

59. Beto is their kryptonite.

Remember, for years the dystopian alt-left, like the alt-right, has had free reign on social media.

Beto changes the game, with his army of online supporters, and is tech savvy himself.

Kamala, especially amongst women/PoC/Dem loyalists (Hillary's coalition) has strong support on social media as well.

[MineralMan]

9. In a nutshell? Powerless and impotent.

There are less than a couple of dozen people active there. Just forget them. They'll be gone shortly.

[Zorro]

11. They'll come back here

Although some have never left.

[MineralMan]

13. Some are still here. Others are not.

We learned our lesson already, I think, and will be less willing to accept the kind of nonsense that was the order of the day before.

I know I will be less willing. I never left. Others never left. They left, not us. We'll recognize them if they return. We recognized them before, too.

[melman]

17. All kinds of things happen on the internet

For example, sometimes a person racks up tens of thousands of posts on a right wing board, and then they come to another(non right-wing) board and act like they are the arbiter of who should be posting on that second board.

It's a crazy crazy world.

[MineralMan]

34. How clever...

[melman]

37. I suppose that's one way to describe it

It's not the way I personally would describe that sort of behavior but it is one way.

[Hortensis]

65. Does he sneak around trying to undermine

anyone he doesn't like with a shovel because achieving respect and agreement by reason is not his thing? If so, I think I know who you might be talking about, except that that one wouldn't have been more successful on other forums.

[melman]

67. Not sure about that

but I do know that sometimes people get busted collecting talking points from right-wing publications.

And they get really mad about it. Which is weird because these same folks rhapsodize about the wisdom of "competent conservatives"

So it's not like they're being all that subtle about where they're coming from but they still get mad when you notice.


It's strange.

[Blue_true]

31. They and Russian bots took up stances that no honest democrat could reject.

They painted themselves as beyond pure on those issues. They hounded DU members that saw through their shit, getting some to make cardinal rules violations. They cleaved off DU members that were not wise to what they were doing.

[MineralMan]

40. Yes. I remember that.

In the end, though, it was they who left DU, one way or another.

I hope we don't see that happening again here.

[Blue_true]

57. I agree, we cannot afford to have that happen again.

Some Bernie supporters can get on my nerves a little, but I think that all of the people in that corner who are here now are pretty cool people, so I just overlook the rough patches.

[Hortensis]

61. As said. JPR is a little satellite forum that orbits DU,

occupied by people who made themselves unwelcome here because they never should have been here in the first place. But DU is its reason for existing, where they get their energy from, like DI, and its members are constantly over here, either observing or just sneaking in to find something to take back and badmouth. If DU disappeared, so would they.

[redstatebluegirl]

27. I use the block feature a lot where Bernie folks are concerned.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. JPR aside, there are thousands of kgb agents and bots and gop working all over

social media, including here, to get us to split our vote.

[MineralMan]

54. No doubt. I know of no way to identify them, though.

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. Oh I do. Concern trolls are very obvious. People who speak out when a dem does

something inappropriate but NEVER when a con does, folks who say "we better offer them more than anti trump or we wont get their votes" - translated that means they wont get MY vote, MY being the person saying that, but they PRETEND they are talking about others.

[Hortensis]

69. Those who let an OP drop like a rock and move on to

others if it draws a post strongly refuting their point are at least suspect.

[DFW]

75. Russians are sometimes easy to spot

The Russian language has no articles, and is declined. It is difficult for them to master sounding like a native speaker of English. To sound coherent, they need to insert parts of speech their native language lacks altogether.

A Russian just learning English would conceptualize "I brought the sick man a basket full of goodies" as "I brought sick man basket full goodies."

Even sophisticated Russians often leave out "a" and "the" when writing English, because they have no instinctive feel for when they are appropriate and when not.

[cwydro]

10. Why do you post about them so often?

I only see mentions of them here, usually from the same few posters.

[brooklynite]

19. I find it useful to stay in touch with voices I disagree with...nutty as they may be.

The are, for better or worse, a reflection of our past.

[demmiblue]

36. It is kind of pathetic, isn't it?

Sometimes the internet feels like middle school.

[JudyM]

41. Have to agree with you. Picking fights and trash talking.

[catbyte]

12. I remember when JPR splintered off from DU. I checked them out. ONCE.

What a load of crap. They're closer to the Freeper crowd than any Democrat I've ever met. Good riddance.

[happybird]

14. I popped over there the other day, just to check it out

Jeez. What a bunch of angry, bitter posts. They were still complaining about the 2016 primary, and also about President Obama's recent "circular firing squad" comment (Gee, I wonder why? Lol!)

Won't be making another visit, that's for sure.

[Grasswire2]

16. careful

It's against DU rules to re-litigate 2016. Not particularly helpful, either.

[brooklynite]

23. I quoted someone opining about their vote in 2020.

[Cha]

70. But, it's helpful to know he's Not

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doing that.

[SidDithers]

18. There are some I miss, if only for comedic value...

"Why do you hate Michelle Obama?"

"RT is watched in 50 million households"



Sid

[sandensea]

22. This needs to be taped to every good Dem's monitor, I think:

[JudyM]

42. This, exactly.

Thanks for the sensible perspective, sandensea.

[sandensea]

45. You're very welcome

Lessons are there to be learned.

[Gothmog]

25. Who is surprised by this?

[Gore1FL]

26. Please argue about it with them there. nt

[Blue_true]

28. Some people mistake them as our friends because they CLAIM to hold the same values that we do.

But make no mistake about it, they consider us to be their sworn enemies and we should treat them as the same.

[Tipperary]

33. If I am not mistaken, one of our esteemed du hosts has his own forum over there.

Funny, that.

[SidDithers]

49. +1...nt

Sid

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. WHAT THE FUCK!

This MUST be exposed HERE

[Tipperary]

58. I responded to your message.

[backscatter712]

39. Let me fix the name of that site...

Радикалы джек пайн

[BlueFlorida]

46. K&R nt

[tymorial]

47. They are not all gone.

I've been there and here. I can tell.

[Cha]

68. I feel just the opposite of those

gaslighting hatemongers.

[yardwork]

71. A lot of them are stil here and bragging about it.

[Soxfan58]

76. Worst than the MAGAs

A traitor is worst than your enemy.

[underpants]

77. Gotta compete with QAnon for the top crazy award

the crazy is strong with QAnon though

[UniteFightBack]

78. These misguided muthafucks are so far "left" they ended up on the right. I went over there some

time ago to check it out. They like to think they have all the answers and are so high falutin on their own bullshit it's amusing and confusing.

I've deemed it a complete waste of time and honey do I know how to waste time! But with so very little to be gained there I don't partake in it because it's a toxic mess. If I want a toxic mess I go to breitfart or somewhere where I can shoot the fish that are in the barrel.