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WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:30 PM Aug 2012

My problem with the Christian Right is

that they are certainly not Christians and the are almost always wrong...

To me, they live in this century with a nomadic herd mentality best suited for survival in a semi arid climate.

They accept everything up until Jesus appeared on the scene, skipped right over that nonsense of loving thy neighbor and casting stones when you are guilty and embraced the psychotic rantings of a hermit better known as Revelations.

If you concentrate on what Jesus allegedly said and did then these self-professed true believes would be cast out of the temple.

It's just fucking crazy.

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My problem with the Christian Right is (Original Post) WCGreen Aug 2012 OP
They certainly are not Christian... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #1
But they ARE Christians! AlbertCat Aug 2012 #8
They really do not follow the teachings of Christ...therefore they aren't Christians IMHO. nanabugg Aug 2012 #38
Every member of every religion "picks and chooses." Scootaloo Aug 2012 #26
Maybe standingtall Aug 2012 #27
I swear, the next time I get sucked into a discussion with a RW nutter, Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #2
Classic.... WCGreen Aug 2012 #3
I'm afraid they would burn me at the if I tried that. Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #6
I had the fleeting thought that I might burst into flames as well siligut Aug 2012 #11
I think the right wingers would burn me anyway... AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #21
Awesome post. nt raccoon Aug 2012 #29
Have to agree madokie Aug 2012 #37
That's what got me to leave church Hydra Aug 2012 #4
Lots of absolutists. moondust Aug 2012 #5
"Conservative Christian" is an oxymoron. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #7
And "military justice", plus "military music"! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #12
You made my day. . . daligirl519 Aug 2012 #15
not Christians and the are almost always wrong... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #9
They certainly do not practice the teachings of Jesus. nt Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #10
As a Christian myself, I don't consider conservatives to be real Christians. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #13
I never been to a fundamentalist church standingtall Aug 2012 #25
Unless, of course, THEY are the ones receiving the federal assistance. raccoon Aug 2012 #30
I don't believe in God and I think all religions are right up there with Greek Mythology pink-o Aug 2012 #14
Like Jesus said (after he died), God was sending down the "Holy Spirit" to the people to guide them. gtar100 Aug 2012 #20
Slogan from the 1980's: "The Moral Majority is neither" vademocrat Aug 2012 #16
I remember that.... WCGreen Aug 2012 #22
Unfortunately, like a snake, the Moral Majority shed that skin & slithered deeper into our politics vademocrat Aug 2012 #35
My problem is they think they are the only ones! No respect for others! Dustlawyer Aug 2012 #17
Ku Klux Kristians(NT) The Wizard Aug 2012 #18
they're not supposed to judge, lest they be judged.... spanone Aug 2012 #19
Neither Christian, Nor Right jsmirman Aug 2012 #23
I certaintly agree standingtall Aug 2012 #24
I find the Christian Right to be an essential franchise of the present RNC. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #28
I went to one of those mega entrepreneurial churches and was shocked at how much WCGreen Aug 2012 #32
Their ideology has hijacked their humanity. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #31
Their social fascism is the biggest thing davidn3600 Aug 2012 #33
Welcome to DU! Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #34
How are they not Christian? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #36
they follow a warped definition of christianity fascisthunter Aug 2012 #39
What is the definition of Christianity, something other than someone... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #40
don't know... maybe you should ask one fascisthunter Aug 2012 #41
That's the problem, the definitions they come up with are worthless because they are so varied... Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #42

CaliforniaPeggy

(150,686 posts)
1. They certainly are not Christian...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:42 PM
Aug 2012

And they pick and choose what they believe, whatever suits their mind set.

And they want to run the country! Good grief.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
8. But they ARE Christians!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:36 PM
Aug 2012

They get their authority from the same book every other Christian does.

Period.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
38. They really do not follow the teachings of Christ...therefore they aren't Christians IMHO.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:13 PM
Aug 2012

They do not nor try to honor the commandments Christ gave as a new covenant.

They do not do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
They do not love their enemies.
They do not care for the poor and widows.
They do not make alms in private
They do not love "one another"
They are always casting stones (with sin)
They do not forgive as they have been forgiven
They do not...

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. Every member of every religion "picks and chooses."
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:46 AM
Aug 2012

All that's needed to legitimately call oneself a christian is to believe that Jesus was the son of god and died for the benefit of mankind on a cross somewhere in Iudea province.

standingtall

(2,825 posts)
27. Maybe
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 05:50 AM
Aug 2012

The President has said he is a Christian, and believes in the death and resurrection of Christ. They still say he is a secret muslim. Turnabout is fair play. Time to challenge their Christianity.John 4:24 "God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" .

That's Jesus saying he must be worshiped in spirit and in truth. Not in lies and deceptions like many in the christian right do.





Arkansas Granny

(31,623 posts)
2. I swear, the next time I get sucked into a discussion with a RW nutter,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
Aug 2012

I'm going to find out how Jesus charged as copay before he healed the sick and if he drug tested the multitude before he passed out the loaves and fishes.



WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
3. Classic....
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:48 PM
Aug 2012

If you really want a hoot, go to one of those entrepreneurial mega-churches and listen to the crap the Flim-Flam at the pulpit is spouting...

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
4. That's what got me to leave church
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:27 PM
Aug 2012

Jesus should be the core of what these people are teaching and living. As another DUer(Jewish) acerbically and accurately pointed out, "Christians shouldn't mess with the Old Testament. It wasn't good enough for them before, so why should it be now?"

The fact that I left, and they're following me via Congress and Executive Branch is not what I was hoping for.

moondust

(20,189 posts)
5. Lots of absolutists.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:03 PM
Aug 2012

They--or someone they have chosen to believe--decide what's right and what's wrong and that's the end of it. Black-and-white simplicity. "If it's wrong for me then it's wrong for everybody and that's final!" So they're constantly trying to impose their personal beliefs on everybody else, which is inherently undemocratic.

If abortion is legal and safe then you are still free not to have one if that conflicts with your personal beliefs.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
7. "Conservative Christian" is an oxymoron.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:15 PM
Aug 2012

Right up there with "giant shrimp" and "republican intelligence".

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
9. not Christians and the are almost always wrong...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:39 PM
Aug 2012

Too young to remember the MORAL MAJORITY?

I remember that bumper sticker that read:

THE MORAL MAJORITY IS NEITHER

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
13. As a Christian myself, I don't consider conservatives to be real Christians.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:55 PM
Aug 2012

And I'll even go a step further and say that they're closer to following what would be the teachings of the Devil than of Christ. Think about it--most conservative "Christians" are intolerant of other religions, gays, and allowing others to lead the sex lives that they want. They want to control what women can do with their own bodies. And they demonize socialism and any type of federal assistance, out of feelings of distrust that people will "mooch off my hard-earned tax dollars."

standingtall

(2,825 posts)
25. I never been to a fundamentalist church
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:38 AM
Aug 2012

but I bet their pastors never go within a 100 feet of this right here.

James 5:1 Go now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments ate motheaten.
5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who you have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of Sab" a-oth.


Even if they happen to go anywhere near it. They probably just try to spin it to mean something totally different then what it actually says.

raccoon

(31,261 posts)
30. Unless, of course, THEY are the ones receiving the federal assistance.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:12 AM
Aug 2012

Then suddenly it isn't socialism--for them and their get.



pink-o

(4,056 posts)
14. I don't believe in God and I think all religions are right up there with Greek Mythology
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:55 PM
Aug 2012

However, as a philosophy, Christianity is a fine one if you take away all the woo and leave the compassionate, socialistic looking after the least of us stuff. Cuz Jesus probably did exist. I see him as a restless dude who walked over the desert to India, checked out an ashram or two, and fused Othodox Judaism with some eastern influences. Christians are basically Jew-Bu-Hindus.

But the most important factor in pure Christianity is the constant questioning of tenets--the exact opposite of the church nowadays. Religion is all about giving up your critical thinking, taking someone else's word for it, and in exchange you're promised safety and the end of fear.

It's amazing what the human mind can adapt to if the reward is not being afraid anymore.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
20. Like Jesus said (after he died), God was sending down the "Holy Spirit" to the people to guide them.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:44 PM
Aug 2012

I don't recall anything about him having a group of men put together a book, telling people to read it and follow what it says without question. Yet that is precisely how the Christian bible is treated. It takes the very personal, very internal experience of the ultimate authority out of the religious experience and turns that authority over to someone or something else external, like a church, or a priest, or some fast-talking, manipulative inspirational speaker.

So hell yes, it's very much in the teachings of Jesus to question things and to use critical thinking skills. That's just not very convenient for people wanting to control others and collect their tithes.

vademocrat

(1,089 posts)
16. Slogan from the 1980's: "The Moral Majority is neither"
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
Aug 2012

The MM was just one of the iterations of the "Christian Right".

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
22. I remember that....
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:15 AM
Aug 2012

I had just come out of a seven year drunk and was staring up at my future...

Got back on my feet, went back to school and reconfigured my life...

vademocrat

(1,089 posts)
35. Unfortunately, like a snake, the Moral Majority shed that skin & slithered deeper into our politics
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:56 PM
Aug 2012

Glad it brought back such a life changing positive memory! I can relate - had my own epiphany with alcohol & reconfiguring my life....

standingtall

(2,825 posts)
24. I certaintly agree
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:19 AM
Aug 2012

Last edited Sun Aug 26, 2012, 05:13 AM - Edit history (1)

That they do not behave like Christians, but I disagree that they accept everything up until Jesus. There are many passages in the Old Testament that say they should help the poor, and not oppress foreigners and so on, but they ignore those too. They simply pick and choose.

no_hypocrisy

(47,118 posts)
28. I find the Christian Right to be an essential franchise of the present RNC.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:24 AM
Aug 2012

They carry out the mission and the policy. They go to their congregations and tell them not to think, but rather, to follow the RNC off a cliff if necessary. To get fellow believers on board. To get the families of fellow believers on board. To register and to vote for republicans. To run and get elected onto local government boards like education, ward leaders, etc. The people at the top of the RNC, the Koch Brothers, etc. would be less ahead without their foot soldiers.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
32. I went to one of those mega entrepreneurial churches and was shocked at how much
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012

politics was emanating from the staging area.

There was a lot of overt messaging that suggested those who practice zero sum capitalism were morally correct with Jesus...

Jesus loves his day traders, his Wall Street Warriors and if you prey on the people just get down on your needs, give the church some money and pray, you will be rewarded, Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen....

CrispyQ

(37,013 posts)
31. Their ideology has hijacked their humanity.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:49 PM
Aug 2012

They can't be reasoned with - that's what is so scary to me. They do not listen to facts.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
33. Their social fascism is the biggest thing
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:24 PM
Aug 2012

They claim they support freedom. Yeah, freedom as long as long as you fit into and agree with their social mold. Otherwise they will pass laws to force you to follow their ways. That is their idea of freedom.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
40. What is the definition of Christianity, something other than someone...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:18 PM
Aug 2012

who claims Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God, and worships him on that basis?

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
42. That's the problem, the definitions they come up with are worthless because they are so varied...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:30 PM
Aug 2012

most of the time they treat it as some synonym for "good&quot however they define good), which is, in itself, highly offensive and bigoted to non-Christians.

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