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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLETS PLAY HARDBALL. Spin tRump "forgetting" wikileaks as him having DEMENTIA instead of lying...
Wouldn't that be great? He answered that question so seriously. You could tell he wasn't joking. He seriously didn't know anything about wikileaks. His short term memory is starting to go which is the first sign of dementia, along with increasing confusion (oranges), and reduced concentration (that rambling speech at the border a couple days ago).
The press and Congress seriously need to spin the dementia angle of this pResident. I'd like to see more reporters ask members of Congress if they are concerned about the pResident's erratic behavior and signs of dementia. Instead of asking Speaker Pelosi about tRump lying about wikileaks they should ask her on camera if she is concerned about pResident tRump forgetting about praising wikileaks 141 times during the campaign and now saying he doesn't know anything about wikileaks.
Let's play politics. Drop the tRump lying angle. Let's go with DEMENTIA! LET'S PLAY HARDBALL!
I like dementia better than Alzheimer's because it sounds scarier.
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True Blue American
(17,984 posts)His voice gets when he is blatantly lying? Sounds like a 2 year old thinking they can get out of trouble. Everyone knows he is lying.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)But be careful of any potential blowback.
Could be construed as picking on a sick old man. I think it can be done gently, if you added the idea of concern for the nation.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)He's exhibiting a lot of the symptoms.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)trev
(1,480 posts)The Republicans are hiding Trump's condition just as they did Reagan's. We need to point this out.
You are so right.
The Republicans hid for years, even years after Reagan left office, that he had Alzheimer's. The problem is that others in the Reagan Regime, who were not elected, were running the government and were not truthful with the American people.
We've gone through this scenario once before, so calling attention to Trump's 'confusion' is not out of line. If Trump is not mentally capable, then others behind him, who were not elected are running the government, and that should not be tolerated in a democracy.
brewens
(13,574 posts)lies or contradicts himself. I think he actually does not remember much of what he says in some cases, especially when lying.
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)It takes a very good memory to remember how one twisted the truth; most people aren't that good at it.
(I learned long ago that I'm not a good liar; I am a truth-teller.
A family member was a habitual liar; things did not go well for him in the big picture.)
eShirl
(18,490 posts)
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)
scrutineer
(1,156 posts)“I don't have to verify because I have one of the great memories of all time,” Trump said.
"Right from the beginning, there's no hesitation, one of the great memories of all time," he continued, pointing to his brain.
"I have the world's greatest memory. It's one thing everyone agrees on," Trump said at the time, according to NBC News.
erronis
(15,241 posts)
yonder
(9,663 posts)Get the word failure in there as part of the frame. It's not as clinical/hardball as dementia, especially when all we'll likely ever have is informed speculation. The real problem is getting the corpo-media to pick up on that frame. They certainly didn't have a problem with Benghazi or emails and seem to just now getting comfortable with "lying" with respect to the utterer-in-chief.
It's a great idea, though - to find a way to just keep hammering on forgetting, failure to remember, forgetfulness, memory issues, etc.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)and his memory problems, particularly remembering recent events, difficulty communicating or finding words, and increasing confusion and reduced concentration which are the early signs of dementia. They should do this every chance they get on the TV and drive it home.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)and I'm gonna use the ideas for posting on other boards I frequent, where Trumpsters also participate.
Hardball it is!!!!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Immigration restrictions and forced sterilization were based on hate and fear of mentally disabled people turning into criminals. "Three generations of imbeciles is enough." (Imbecile was an official diagnosis when Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote that opinion).
Weaponizing diagnoses is a RW method, already directed towards elderly, poor, and disabled people through a healthcare system built on denying care for profit. Participation by turning hate that is killing people on behalf of powerful white people on a president can only empower it for use toward less powerful people. Turnabout can backfire in the worst ways.
Worried about dementia among public officials? Enact age limits and resignation requirements based on family history or personal health inquiries.
Why stop there? Protect our youth by eliminating any chance that a professors could have dementia or mental illness lurking. Why let them get to be professors in the first place? Mandate mental health inventories and family health histories as part of college admissions......
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)I'd have them assessed. tRump says he doesn't know Wikileaks. He can admit he lied or undergo assessment. That is what the 25th amendment is for.
If my mother couldn't remember something she said on 141 different occasions only 2 and a half years previous, it would make me wonder.
If my mother kept continuously saying oranges when she meant origins, it would make me wonder.
If my mother was talking at the table as tRump was at Texas a few days ago (http://dctribune.org/fox-news-loses-it-with-trump-cuts-away-from-his-live-press-conference-after-he-starts-ranting-incoherently/), it would make me wonder.
Put all three together in the space of two weeks and I would be googling the internet and finding she may have dementia. I would be seeking professional help.
You're going a little overboard there. Are you a plant?
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Presuming that Trump's behavior is organic and spontaneous is a mistake. We know he got a thrill out of behaving for an audience via staged reality. Whatever his intentions, I'm not convinced we are seeing genuine moments when he speaks publicly. He has spent a lifetime cultivating a public image and pretending to have talent worth watching on teevee. He has spent decades building and living in a world centered around him. He took part in a staged entertainment medium labeled reality.
If you've ever been around someone who is extremely insulated and self absorbed, you would have learned that they are lazy about paying attention to things outside of their sphere of interest because they simply don't care. I have seen nothing to indicate that he is interested in doing the actual mundane work of the presidency.
Googling the internet for a diagnosis is probably not going to help much. We have to vote him out in Nov. Better to do it without returning to times when beliefs about genetic determinism snowballed into a eugenics movement and the early manifestations of limiting the choices of white women who dared to not reproduce. All of it is familiar because it stayed with us.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He has a history of fictionalizing himself as a brilliant and calling the environment he has created for himself reality. There is no telling where that stops for him and I thinking casting it as illness will not only contribute to the stigma others experience but also let him off the hook. He's a terrible person and he always has been. He is responsible for cultivating a toxic environment and I am not willing to let him off the hook for any of it.
I think we all have known people who are so disrespectful that they don't bother to remember names or anything else about people who they don't see as worth their energy. Carelessness and intellectual laziness should not be dismissed as reasons behind his public displays. That is worse than a neurological deficit because it points to a narcissistic disregard for anything or anyone other than himself and his needs having any kind of relevance or value.
I wouldn't want to institutionalize anyone's choices in dealing with illness in their family. Extending it to the presidency is particularly shaky ground because it's within the realm of possibility that our next president is a Democrat who is approaching 80.
woofless
(2,670 posts)Asking whether someone who has been contributing to this forum for 14 years longer than yourself is a plant? Someone disagreed with you. That doesn't make them disingenuous.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)It was kinda like someone who had been here 14 years trying to lecture me on something I wasn't saying at all. You know someone trying to put themselves out as genetically pure and righteous. I was contributing in the beginning of this forum but quit during the Obama years, so if that's your measure of who is right, then maybe I am right.
The person's critique was way over the top. I was talking strategy. Geesh... For all we know, tRump does have dementia. He has the symptoms. I know. I am a caretaker for my 82 year old mother in law. I've seen it every day, 24 hours a day for the past 8 months.
Reagan was formally diagnosed with Alzheimer's only 5 years after leaving office. It isn't a disease you get overnight or one you catch from someone else. I've seen it slowly engulf a woman over the last 8 years when we first suspected until now where she can't live alone.
That wasn't a disagreement. It was a shameful put down.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)would actually become a talking point.
And why wouldn’t it be true? He actually sounds deranged at times. More and more so as time goes by.
And besides that possibility he sounds genuinely paranoid about the border issue, the deep state and the media. The only thing keeping him in place is the Republicans and the radical right pundits and media. All of them, every single one proven propagandist liars.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)but, I'm not an expert. You have a great point there. It's hard to tell what stage he might be in until he's professionally evaluated by an independent doctor. He sure has a lot of symptoms though.
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)
kentuck
(111,079 posts)Even Trump supporters know he is lying but they would rather believe it is for another reason than just intentional lying.
erronis
(15,241 posts)period.
No judgement calls. Just a concern for an individual's (#1) well-being.
We sincerely hope that s/he gets good treatment and gets better real soon!
