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kentuck

(111,092 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:34 PM Apr 2019

An issue where Trump may be the most vulnerable?

It is the one where he refuses to budge.

He says nobody cares whether or not he shows his tax returns. He is very, very wrong on that calculation.

Several states have voted to require presidential candidates to show their returns before they can get on the ballot.

It is my understanding that most polls also show that the American people believe it is an important issue.

Donald Trump hopes this issue fades away. It may be his "Achilles heel".
He likes to say that people knew he was not going to show his taxes when they voted for him in 2016. That is not true. His lie at the time was that he would show his returns as soon as they were out of "audit". Most people actually thought they would see his returns, contrary to what Trump now says.

Democrats would be wise to keep this issue front and center.

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An issue where Trump may be the most vulnerable? (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2019 OP
And keep petitioning other states to do louis-t Apr 2019 #1
Yep. kentuck Apr 2019 #2
Getting to him through Ivanka elfin Apr 2019 #3
That would be hardball. kentuck Apr 2019 #6
This Democrat is. eom elfin Apr 2019 #10
This one, too superpatriotman Apr 2019 #11
Same here. nt Duppers Apr 2019 #14
The ghost of Achilles, billions of tendons and heels are all insulted by the rzemanfl Apr 2019 #4
I think he is right and few people really care. You and I care, but it won't change our vote marylandblue Apr 2019 #5
I disagree. kentuck Apr 2019 #7
What do the polls say exactly? marylandblue Apr 2019 #8
I think it is fair to assume... kentuck Apr 2019 #9
I think it's also fair to assume that the Democratic base agrees with me too. marylandblue Apr 2019 #12
Except... kentuck Apr 2019 #13
Love the idea! But the problem with the States' voting.... Duppers Apr 2019 #15
You are correct. Sogo Apr 2019 #16
damage to manufacturing his steel tariffs did particularly autos...beat him in three states Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #17
Sanity? Yeehah Apr 2019 #18

elfin

(6,262 posts)
3. Getting to him through Ivanka
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:53 PM
Apr 2019

His adoration of her is creepy to the max.

Subpoena her. Charge her. Federal Court(s.) State Court(s.) All around the world on her mega-shady "business' deals. Small suits. Large suits. Small threats. Big threats.

Do it so his minions can't save her because they are in court as well.

He will cave in a nanosecond as along as a "deal" gets her off many hooks.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. I think he is right and few people really care. You and I care, but it won't change our vote
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:57 PM
Apr 2019

so why should he show it to us? It may be true that a lot of his supporters think it's important, but it won't change their votes either.

And those states that are requiring tax returns are ones he won't win anyway, so I can see him just being the first major candidate not to be on the ballot in every state. He'd probably even like that just to show that blue states can go to hell.

Also those laws may be unconstitutional. So there's a court battle coming and who knows if it will be done by 2020 anyway?

Like all other Trump news it will make a few days of headlines, but that's it. we are better off running on health care.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. What do the polls say exactly?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:18 PM
Apr 2019

That people think it's "important" that he show his returns, or that they won't vote for him if he doesn't? The first one is irrelevant, only the second one matters.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. I think it's also fair to assume that the Democratic base agrees with me too.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 03:46 PM
Apr 2019

We're not voting for him no matter what, right? So that leaves 10-20% on the middle, many of whom voted for him in 2016 without seeing his returns. If they change their vote this time, is it more likely they decided after 4 years that his returns are now a deal breaker or would it be that they were sick of Trump anyway?

kentuck

(111,092 posts)
13. Except...
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 04:05 PM
Apr 2019

...they never thought he wasn't going to show his returns. He led them to believe otherwise.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
15. Love the idea! But the problem with the States' voting....
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:29 PM
Apr 2019

In theory, Trump could be blocked from the ballot in any state where the new requirement became law. But not a single state has enacted it so far, and the governors of California and New Jersey have vetoed it after it passed both state chambers. It's more interesting as a way for state Democrats to troll Trump than as an actual re-election threat.

Where it stands: Rhode Island is the latest state to pass this measure through its state Senate, according to the Providence Journal, and Maryland's state Senate passed a bill in May. Both will now move to their states' House of Delegates for consideration.

One big problem: It might not be constitutional for a state to require presidential candidates to release their tax returns in order to get ballot access.

The U.S. Supreme Court has previously ruled that neither states nor the federal government can create additional qualifications for congressional representatives or senators, per AP, and various legal experts anticipate that would extend to presidential candidates.

https://www.axios.com/states-tax-return-laws-presidential-2020-trump-88e84cce-7214-409d-b4c7-a24aad919bdb.html



Sogo

(4,986 posts)
16. You are correct.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:31 PM
Apr 2019

I forget where I heard this, but Trump said that keeping his tax returns private was more important that the Mueller report.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
17. damage to manufacturing his steel tariffs did particularly autos...beat him in three states
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:32 PM
Apr 2019

PA, MI and WI...also health care and not medicare/medicaid for all ( unless it is the version that offers choice of keeping your workplace insurance) but the ACA with a public option for those voters in say GA who do not have Medicaid expanded.

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