WE NEED TO START IMPEACHMENT NOW. WE CANNOT WAIT.

[EveHammond13]

If McConnell says he will not even VOTE on House-passed legislation - not even VOTE on it...

IRS breaking law to conceal taxes...

MINORITY committee members threatening the accounting firm to intimidate and scare them into not complying with MAJORITY'S legal demand for the taxes...

Barr covering up the Mueller report...

Trump using twitter to put out hits on Democratic Members of Congress...

Little or no media coverage of House-passed legislation...

WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

POLITICALLY AND MORALLY WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

I don't care about "it won't pass the Senate." PASS IT IN THE HOUSE.

GET ALL THE EVIDENCE OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS AND FORCE THE MEDIA TO COVER IT.

While we run our pressure campaign against vulnerable GOP Senators like Collins and Cornyn, up in 2020.


IF PELOSI DOES NOT PURSUE IMPEACHMENT NOW the base will become demoralized. Why did we work so hard for the blue wave in 2018 if you CAN'T CONDUCT OVERSIGHT AND CAN'T LEGISLATE?! UNACCEPTABLE.

MUST ACT ON IMPEACHMENT NOW. THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE.

[Grasswire2]

1. Pelosi's "math" and "bipartisan" will NEVER HAPPEN

NEVER HAPPEN.

In the meantime, GOP and Trump have free running room for their perfidy!

They get to set the narrative; they get to frame, they gather momentum for evil deed.

If we want to win in 2020, something must be done now to inform the public and effect a groundswell for democratic governance.

[EveHammond13]

12. +1

[Eyeball_Kid]

16. Bi-partisanship should only occur at the trial in the Senate...

after all of the evidence for conviction is brought out in House impeachment hearings.

THAT'S HOW IT'S DESIGNED TO WORK! We don't worry about what the Senate will do until AFTER the House votes for impeachment.

[uponit7771]

51. +1, at minimum let the people see who wants to keep the crook in office. We don't elect kings !!!

[Ponietz]

61. +1 Impeachment hearings would give NY, and other states, huge cover

to go ahead and indict the turd in their state courts.

Imagine what each state could indict him on...
What if he were indicted in x# of states? There are a litany of possible charges in my small state alone.

[KPN]

64. Perfidy! The perfect word to describe what we are witnessing daily for 28 months now.

[DownriverDem]

102. Not how it goes

Please calm down. You don't impeach until you have the goods. Total proof. The House is doing the investigations now. Until they have their ducks in a row, it won't happen. Also it is getting too close to the next election to do it now. Look at how it went with Nixon.

[SHRED]

2. I support this

For all of your reasons and of course his blatant criminality.

[Faux pas]

3. Kicketty Kickin'

The Dems are d-r-a-g-g-i-n-g their effing feet on everything. Now treasury has until APRIL 23rd to answer?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eyeball_Kid]

8. Terrible mistake. It's too late for parlor games. n/t

[EveHammond13]

17. we have so little time - people will start voting Sept 2020! (absentee at least)

[Maraya1969]

116. Why would you consider impeachment a parlor game? Nixon was impeached for much less. I think at

this point, at least the people who are paying attention like most of us on here are getting pissed at the lack of forceful action by the Democrats. I think them doing something like this to save the American citizen would help them.

Or we can sit back and watch like the good Germans did when Hitler was systematically dismantling that country.

[FiveGoodMen]

45. They either have no power or they're afraid to use it.

This keeps happening.

[uponit7771]

53. +1

[LEW]

108. April 23rd because they are in recess

I believe they should not have recessed for 2 weeks with all that is happening....but, yes they did. Nothing will be done before they return. So we will have more than a week to digest the Barr report.......

[GitRDun]

4. Harry Reid refused to vote on House legislation during the Obama days.

It's just what happens in divided government.

Impeachment won't help unless it is supported on its own merits.

I absolutely despise McConnell but cannot condemn him for doing the same thing our guy did.

[uponit7771]

6. We don't need removal just light and we don't get light without impeachment

[SHRED]

9. +1000

[EveHammond13]

20. AMEN

[Grasswire2]

36. yes

Does Pelosi want to be known as the person who dallied while the republic was lost?

[KPN]

65. THIS

[Bettie]

104. Yep, it isn't even about removal at this point

it is about getting information. Information that we won't get any other way.

[sprinkleeninow]

105. This. eom

[uponit7771]

5. K&R, the Clinton impeachment comparisons are fallacious at best for a number of reasons

[happybird]

93. I see what you did there

Thanks for the chuckle, I needed one. It's been a shitty day

[uponit7771]

95. :smirk:

[Eyeball_Kid]

7. It's Pelosi who must conclude that there is no choice.

Throughout her career, she's been reluctant to pursue impeachment. She declined to approve of Bush 43's impeachment articles, citing the "tearing apart of the country" if impeachment proceedings were initiated. Because, I submit, 43 wasn't impeached, we have a much bigger force intent on destroying the Rule of Law. Yet Pelosi, still playing some obtuse "long game", is dragging her feet on an impeachment inquiry that should have begun 3 months ago. There is no LONG GAME. There is only "save the Constitution RIGHT NOW."
Trump laughs at the long game. He can run rings around rational plans. Pelosi needs to move NOW.

[SHRED]

10. YES!

[hedda_foil]

18. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ to the ultimate power.

[DontBooVote]

19. Agree 100% - no matter how hard some here try to insult me and discourage me.

[EveHammond13]

26. +1000

[Grasswire2]

74. ignore them

Your cause is just.

Waiting plays right into the trap Republicans have set.

There is no more "comity" in Congress, and Dems are beyond foolish to wait for it.

[EveHammond13]

22. NOW OR NEVER

[uponit7771]

23. +1, Red Don isn't as popular as 43 or 42, he disgust the middle and floated 10 - 20 points by his

... mouth piece called FAUX News.

They can start the impeachment process and just shut up about it and tell the M$M that they're going to wait on the process to complete.

That's it...

Take the fire out by not addressing the M$M

[Grasswire2]

71. well said nt

[Crunchy Frog]

98. I would submit that

This is the reason that some people had concerns over her becoming Speaker again.

[McKim]

107. No More Off the Table and Waiting!

It’s time to act and start impeachment proceedings! High Crimes!!!! Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!

[Dot L]

117. Two Party System Failure

Could it be an impeachment would show both Parties are on the take from foreign countries that influence their political actions? Look at Pelosi's actions concerning AOC's comment on "following the Benjamin's". We need to take AOC's advise and "follow the Benjamin's" with Pelosi.

February of this year, Senate passed a bill that denounces the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction (BDS) movement 77-23. This bill “allows state and local governments to boycott companies that boycott the country of Israel. This is a crime against humanity, the Palestinians are being slaughtered by the weapons we sell to Israel, yet our news is completely silent, of course you'll note how many military TV ads aired during the (so called) NEWS is why we'll never hear the other side of the story. It's nice that Free Speech TV tells the Who, What & Why that Corporate NEWS avoids due to the BENJAMIN's.

[DontBooVote]

11. I am unashamed to say that I support every. word. you. said. No matter how hard others work

to discourage my feelings about this, what I believe to be, as a historical imperative.

[brooklynite]

13. Yelling doesn't help make your case...

...and failing to Convict Trump on Impeachment charges won't address any of your issues.

[uponit7771]

25. We need light first and then decide on conviction and if there's no removal because of KGOP ...

... hacks then the people need to see this.

It's not rational to think the Russians are not going to help their whore win again.

[Grasswire2]

77. You force me to quote William Lloyd Garrison

"On this subject I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! No! Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen—but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest—I will not equivocate—I will not excuse—I will not retreat a single inch—and I will be heard."

The cost of delay may be more than America can survive.

You're willing to cede the advantage to tyranny, to despots, to autocracy? For what?

[brooklynite]

84. For what? Avoiding something worse...

If you impeach Trump and don't convict him, here's what happens:

1. You let Trump and his apologists claim he was acquitted.

2. You let Trump rally his troops on the argument that the Democrats are "out to get him".

3. You risk pissing off the middle of the road voters who helped us win the House back on the assumption that we were going to focus on their economic issues, not fixate on Trump personally.

All of which lessen the chance we'll win the White House and INCREASE the chance we'll lose the House.

[TwilightZone]

113. +1

[kentuck]

14. I agree with you but....

...I don't believe the House will impeach unless...

Enough evidence comes out to change the mind of a few Republicans.

I think it is a big mistake not to impeach. These crimes and associations are not in our imagination. They are real.

[PSPS]

15. Don't be silly. Certain acquittal in the senate gives trump a "total vindication" victory lap.

[EveHammond13]

24. Impeachment by the House is a stain that will last for all of history - will enrage trump

[EveHammond13]

29. imagine Ivanka running for President "I'm running even though my father got impeached" ???!!!

[Grasswire2]

79. Phooey.

Will enrage??????

Will enrage a bully, a tyrant, a traitor????

What the living hell?!

[uponit7771]

27. Then don't convict, simple ... the light from impeachment is what is needed ... not a political

... win for us.

That would be worth the process

[EveHammond13]

31. we will look like sniveling cowards for all of history if we don't act to impeach now

[uponit7771]

37. +1, there's little downside relative to the facts. There's little upside when it comes to elections

... relative to the information we already have.

There's no way Putin wouldn't help his whore this time too.

[DontBooVote]

30. So, it would not be apparent to all but the most hard-core tRump supporters that the evidence

presented before The People, having shown guilt, that impeachment failed only because rethugs refused to convict, or even to have a vote on referral following a House conviction?

[uponit7771]

39. +1, people would be smart enough to make Red Don as popular than Clinton but not ....

... smart enough to understand the multitude of crimes Red Don has committed and the KGOP is enabling him doesn't make sense.

Over 80% of America and a majority of republicans wanting to see the Mueller report is antithetical to the common thread of "don't impeach".

Somethings going on here

[angrychair]

87. So do nothing is the answer?

We shouldn't do anything because of the Senate? Seems like he already has an almost blank check to do whatever he wants as it is...
As someone wiser than me said:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Sir Edmund Burke

[Progressive dog]

115. You are right

The Republicans control the Senate and the Presidency. The psychopath would just get another victory lap and another talking point.

[Ponietz]

21. The Resistance created the Blue Wave and gave us enormous momentum

Unless we use that momentum it will fizzle. Confrontation is inevitable and best ASAP.

The infection must be cut out and the wound must be cauterized or the patient will die.

Too many voters will, irrevocably, lose respect for our party, while others, completely stymied in their efforts to protect and preserve the truth, will take it out sideways on representatives who choose the “best not rile him” approach.

Meanwhile, the lights are ever blinking red. I no longer have confidence in a fair election in 2020. Our party will be irrelevant unless it acts to uphold the rule of law. Impeachment appears the only real option.

[uponit7771]

96. +1, I can see Pelosi trying to time impeachment till around the election and claim the KGOP ...

... stone walled so much they couldn't get anything done with Red Don.

But even that is full of pitfalls,

I don't trust Red Don's admin not to have colluded with some Russians (not the Russian goverment as Barr says) to steal the 20 election too.

[Vinca]

28. Apparently you forget the outcome of the Clinton impeachment. Clinton's approval rating skyrocketed

after the impeachment failed. An impeachment of Trump will fail and we risk the same outcome. I sure as hell don't want Trump's approval ratings to skyrocket. Unless someone produces something so outrageous that Republicans act like Americans again, it's a waste of time and a risky move for the next election. I want Trump trounced at the polls and indicted the day after the next POTUS is inaugurated.

[EveHammond13]

34. that's because the BC impeachment was BOGUS and America knew it

[Vinca]

40. A good chunk of the country would view this as bogus, too. You forget that only a fraction

of the population is really paying attention (and part of that chunk is so ill informed they couldn't name the Vice President for a million bucks). In any case, what would be the point when the GOP is still kissing his ass? This is not the Republican party of the Nixon era.

[uponit7771]

47. Light would be the point, we don't need conviction or removal just the impeachment process so they

... have to stop stonewalling.

The rest of the arguments against impeachment right now are not based in facts or are fallacious at best.

Clinton was popular with republicans at the time of his impeachment

[Vinca]

52. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think it's a waste of time.

It's not a secret what Don the Con is and an impeachment trial isn't going to reveal much that we don't know. If grabbing women by the private parts didn't damage him, I doubt much of what would come to light would make any difference at all.

[uponit7771]

54. There's no agreeing or disagreeing with facts, Clinton was popular with republicans Red Don is not..

... popular with indies or democrats.

There's no procedural or political reasoning that factual in not impeaching Red Don right now.

It's not a secret what Don the Con is and an impeachment trial isn't going to reveal much that we don't know. If grabbing women by the private parts didn't damage him, I doubt much of what would come to light would make any difference at all.

Getting light isn't about damaging the damaged ...

Red Don is Putin's whore and Putin's going to back his whore again in 2020, we don't have time for that.

We do have to get the light out to stop it again, there's no reason to think the Russians are going to sit this election out.

[EveHammond13]

55. and so what else do we do? Can't legislate. Can't conduct oversight. We're dead in the water.

[wryter2000]

86. We can have light without impeachment

The Watergate hearings were never impeachment hearings. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.

We have to educate the American public before we can impeach him. We have to make him an albatross around the Republicans' neck, or we're wasting the best chance we have to utterly disgrace him.

That said, I wish the Democrats would get moving a little faster.

[uponit7771]

90. Not with Red Don's crew, we wont have power to charge with OoJ of impeachment proceedings

... and right now they're basically double middle fingering congress on request.

This is not fast and furious stupidity the KGOP has made up.

When people are charged with OoJ and put in jail then they think twice about not obeying a lawful order to give Red Don's tax returns for instance.

Barr doesn't want to charge?

Impeach him too, RussiaPublicans would do such in a jiff if Obama asked Kenya for rMoney's personal emails during an election.

[Grasswire2]

80. That's not what polling shows.

Not at all.

[uponit7771]

91. THIS !!!! Over 80% of Americans want to see the Mueller report. 80% of us cant agree on the weather!

[Kurt V.]

97. a good chunk (those not paying attention) would be shocked to learn

what this monster has done. in turn this public shock would lead to great pressure on those senators

[uponit7771]

46. +1, the all of America is extra stupid is about what the "no impeachment" movement has right now

[Vinca]

49. The no impeachment movement? If I thought it would amount to anything I'd be totally on board, but

it will just be season 3 of the reality show and nothing will come of it. In the end, Trump will still be in office and we'll still have to beat him in 2020. We can focus on Trump for the entire election season or we can focus on telling the country how great out candidate is.

[uponit7771]

50. It would, they can't stone wall documents and that's worth impeaching then not convicting or moving

... for removal.

The impeachment process takes down the stone walling ... period ... nothing else is needed if nothing else is found.

[Thekaspervote]

72. Absolutely!

[mr_lebowski]

85. Dems could always drag it out ... The GOP would ...

We don't actually need to bring the case to the Senate until the election gets very close. We could actually have Trump encumbered by impeachment proceedings ... during the height of the campaign season.

Make a good enough case for the next 15 months, and force the GOP to vote to refuse to remove him right before the election, it could look very, very bad for them.

Whether or not to do so depends a LOT on how sure the Dems are that they can come up with truly compelling evidence that will convince the small % of the 'undecided' public.

[yonder]

106. "... The GOP would ..."

Damn straight they would. Right now, this looks like it would be effective, too.

[bluestarone]

109. At this time THIS is mt thoughts as well!!

[EveHammond13]

35. in this case there is an unlimited pile of real shit that will be front and center

[Vinca]

43. If the image of a POTUS getting a blow job off the Oval Office doesn't do it, I'm afraid

nothing will short of Don having hookers in the residence for a pee fest and filming it.

[EveHammond13]

56. treason is different from a consensual BJ

[EveHammond13]

57. and then Dems can issue their own "Starr" report 5000 pages long of trump shit

[EveHammond13]

59. which will be carved in stone for all of American history. a stain on trump name forever.

[JenniferJuniper]

38. Nonsense. There is no comparison to the crimes

involved. Democrats simply cannot continue to normalize this is we have any chance of surviving as a country.

Trump's approval will NEVER skyrocket, but he stole one election and there is a very good chance he'll steal another. He's just that desperate.

[EveHammond13]

41. +1

[EveHammond13]

42. we need to make trump look like a whipped dog. we need to emasculate him.

[uponit7771]

44. HORRIBLY FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT!! Clinton was popular with republicans Trump will NEVER EVER ...

... be as popular with democrats.

[EveHammond13]

58. THIS

[Fiendish Thingy]

63. No evidence this will happen, only fear based speculation nt

[KPN]

66. Don't even try to equate the GOP scam to impeach Cllinton to what thois rogue and crimninal regime

has been doing.

The 60-65% of voters who aren't in tRump's camp won't be fooled one bit by either that argument or a failed impeachment.

[Butterflylady]

73. But Clinton was always popular!

And Clinton was not at all like idiot boy. A totally different reality so that reason just doesn't fly anymore. And at least letting the public know just what he's done will be helping us at the polls, because right now the majority of voters are not really following what's going on, their just trying to keep their heads above water due to what this administration has done to them financially. We know whats happening be cause we're political junkies. The average American won't begin to follw politics until 2020 when the primaries begin. Impeachment hearings will at least get their attention.

[Crunchy Frog]

100. Most people could see that it was partisan bullshit.

If we have real evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part, then the situations aren't comparable.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

32. Please stop yelling

[Kurt V.]

33. the media will cover it live. you can count on that.

[uponit7771]

48. The process of course but dems don't have to feed them, impeach him and go shut mouth ...

... even when it comes to the demands for documents.

[Kurt V.]

62. i lean toward transparency. the general public is apolitical. Hearing what this monster has done

could go a long way in pressuring the repub senators.

[Nevermypresident]

60. Totally agree.

[jdu]

67. How and who

Good luck with impeachment
Nancy Pelosi will never do it
Not only did she Say it she never took Bush and Cheney for war crimes ????

[DinahMoeHum]

68. Please list the 20-plus GOP Senators who will CONVICT him.

Impeachment by the House means absolutely NOTHING without CONVICTION by the Senate.

Go on. I'll wait.

[CloudWatcher]

78. It will get the traitors on the record

The GOP must be held accountable for supporting Trump. Not impeaching allows them to pretend that eveything is normal. Make the traitors go on the record supporting party over country.

We can't just continue to play politics and pseudo 3d-chess. Backbone counts. The journey counts.

[uponit7771]

82. We don't need conviction or removal just the light & authority brought by impeachment proceedings.

[Grasswire2]

83. NOT THE POINT!

Try to think strategically.

The POINT is to put the evidence in front of the American people in Articles of Impeachment and underlying documentation, and let the PEOPLE propel the adjudication of the criminality of Trump.

Let the chips fall where they may, then.

Removal from office is not the goal. The GOAL is the right of the people to be fully informed prior to 2020 election.

[uponit7771]

88. +1, under impeachment dems have more power to call for things and if those aren't brought to them

... the OoJ proceedings can start.

Barr wants to jump stupid start impeachment of him too ..

Russia's whores in the KGOP would do such in a jiff without a second thought if Obama had asked Kenya for rMoney's emails.

[Grasswire2]

92. yes

the House immediately has more powers once Articles of Impeachment are filed.

[TwilightZone]

114. No, it's entirely the point.

Impeachment without conviction means nothing.

[world wide wally]

69. I absolutely agree.

If he Senate does not convict, we know it's because it is rigged by the GOP and it shouldn't be hard to convince most voters of that.

[INdemo]

70. At first I was with those that thought we should wait

until Mueller report came out but it is obvious now that the day Barr was confirmed he gave notice to Mueller to "submit report now and wrap it up" of course Mueller was not finished. What I cant figure out is why Rod Rosenstein is protecting both Barr and Trump...
This whole damn thing is almost a mirror absolute actions taken by Hitler as he assumed his power in the 30's
Now with the IRS and Trump taxes and all the lying by various Government agencies to protect Trump...Well
Its time to put forth an Articles of Impeachment legislation and set back and take note of how the Majority of Americans want this to happen.

There is corrupt, obstruction of justice all over the place..Trump,Barr,The Treasury Secretarty and yes Rod Rosenstein..so lets get the ball rolling.

[RicROC]

75. Impeach McConnell

While we're considering impeaching Trump, we should proceed with impeaching McConnell.
1) for holding up the Garland nomination
2) not allowing Obama to pursue Russian election tampering
3) holding up legislation passed by the House.
4) back room deal with the aluminum factory to be built in KY

even if we can't impeach him, somehow 'pursuade' him to resign as the Head of the Senate

[smirkymonkey]

76. Hear, Hear!

I am done with this shit. We need to act now!

[c-rational]

81. I agree. The time has come. When to rule of law is threatened so blatantly we have no moral

choice. The reThugs are so smug with their position and posturing, they act as tough they make the law, they create the reality.

[pdsimdars]

89. What I have been feeling for a while now. Dems need to stop threatening and DO something.

[Brogrizzly]

94. Agreed

[humbled_opinion]

101. Yes, 100 %

Besides starting Impeachement will require the entire Mueller Report be brought forward unredacted as exhibit #1.

[sprinkleeninow]

103. The further along I go, the more I'm of the sentiment that, yes, bring it on NOW! eom

[Captain Stern]

110. Start impeachment now? To what end?

The House impeaches trump, strictly along party lines.....then the Senate finds him 'not guilty', strictly across party lines.

Then, what? Here's what: Headlines that say shit like: "Trump Exonerated!"

Which information comes out in the hearings that turn trump's supporters against him (besides the info we already know, that hasn't turned his supporters against him)?

All the things you mentioned, were things that the media has already reported....and it really hasn't made all that much of a difference.

[egduj]

111. We're keeping the powder dry.

[hadEnuf]

112. I think we either continue the fight or become irrelevant.

The Mueller report being obstructed by Republicans should be of no surprise to anyone. We all knew going in that Mueller could become timid on his investigation for the sake of his party or that once the investigation was finished, the GOP would go to any lengths to squash it. Most decent people suspect that Barr's version of the Mueller report is bullshit and that the new "redacted" one will be bullshit as well. It's going to take impeachment to force the real story into the light. If we back off now then we appear to validate the right wing's claims that we are just disgruntled sore losers and that Trump has been "vindicated".

What's to lose by not impeaching? If the Democrats can't even hold a world-class buffoon like Trump accountable why would people want to waste a vote on them in 2020?

What's to gain? At least Democrats would be standing up for what they know is right and letting other Americans know that they will stand and fight for Democracy and the rule of law, no matter what the cost is.

Better to lose fighting for what's right, rather than to lose for being a fair-weathered milquetoast version of what we should be.

[Bonx]

118. I've already started