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by Kenneth Thomas
Gawker (via Eman at Daily Kos) dropped a bombshell Thursday when it released over 950 pages of confidential documents from 21 Bain Capital-related investment vehicles, all of which Mitt or Ann Romney invested in. It made all 48 documents into a single searchable one here so that others could take a look and see what nuggets it might contain.
Romney previously claimed that his Cayman Island funds had to be located there in order to attract foreign investors, who invested via the Caymans so they would not be subject to U.S. taxes on their earnings, and that he did not reduce his tax bill as a result of his Cayman holdings. The newly released documents confirm that among these 21 funds, two set up a total of five so-called "blocker corporations" which allow U.S. non-profit entities to legally pretend to be foreign (i.e., Cayman) corporations in order to avoid the 35% "unrelated business income tax, which was created to prevent nonprofit groups from undertaking profit-making ventures that compete with taxpaying companies," as the New York Times reports. The still-unanswered question is whether Romney's huge 401-k, valued between $20 million and $102 million on financial disclosure forms, is one of the entities that invested in a blocker corporation, which would then refute Romney's assertion that his Cayman investments had not reduced his tax.
The two Bain funds with blocker corporations are Bain Capital Asia Fund LP (mentioned in the Times article; 3blockers) and Bain Capital IX Coinvestment Fund (2 blockers).
A second issue that has been raised is that various Bain entities converted management fees to carried interest (via Ryan Grim). While people know that the carried interest loophole (which makes management compensation into capital gains) exists and is legal, the issue raised by Professor Victor Fleischer of University of Colorado Law School is that private equity firms have come up with a way to make fees that are unarguably management fees subject to ordinary income (35% tax) into capital gains (15% tax) by "waiving" the fees in exchange for virtually certain future profit, so that the extremely slight economic risk is disproportionately small compared to the tax gain. Fleischer argues that this is flat out illegal and concludes: "Mitt Romney has not paid all the taxes required under law." Not all experts agree. We can look forward to more argument on this issue in coming days. Even if it is legal, it is morally even less defensible than the carried interest loophole.
In the end, we are still left with the fact that the tax system for the 1% is different from that for the rest of us. Whether Romney releases more tax returns or not, that issue is not going away. And the drip, drip, drip of new information makes me think he will eventually cave in.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/25/1124179/-Lid-blowing-off-Romney-tax-secrecy
Gawker Posts 950 Pages Of Bain Documents (updated 2x)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021186310
If challenged in court, Bain would lose."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021189869
malaise
(296,105 posts)I can't wait for this to explode
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)davekriss
(5,425 posts)a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)But I'm about ready to lay down a great smiting, upon some unholy Conservatards...
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)phosphorus would be good.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)trying to be a mild mannered person...
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)is this about to be their follow-up to the ACA Supreme Court coverage?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Chicken Noodle News.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I thought so
rustydog
(9,186 posts)We can speculate just as wildly as Fox "News" personalities maintain Obama is foreign born, muslim until he proves otherwise
davekriss
(5,425 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)irresponsible not to speculate!
gateley
(62,683 posts)red dog 1
(33,063 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)group, maybe?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)She knows they cheated and it can be proved. LIARS!
CabCurious
(954 posts)firehorse
(755 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)she knows about what mixture of sh*t her gardener(s) put in her flowerbeds. that's for "you people" to take care of.
RC
(25,592 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)The Rmoneys have stood this scrutiny before and figured that its worth the political risk to not disclose and try to make it look like their privacy is being invaded. I've long suspected Willard has army of well paid accountants who as a bookkeeper friend of mine likes to say "makes the money go away"...or to reduce taxes to next to nothing.
The mittens gamble here is to let his critics harp about taxes and hope the corporate media gets tired of the topic and thus not only will ignore it but discount anyone who brings up the topic. We shall see...with 85 days and counting. I'm willing to bet a bright shiny dime that Willard will never fully disclose ANY tax return and will come up with some excuse not to disclose his 2011 taxes after his extension expires on October 15th. The money means more than the power to them...they're hoping to hoodwink voters into "trusting" them. From where I come from when someone uses the word "trust" like that, it always means bullshit!
red dog 1
(33,063 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)as the same kind of abusive shelter as Romney's "Son of Boss" scheme. This guy was apparently using every tax evasion scheme in the book.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)sad sally
(2,627 posts)Big business is doing fine in many places they get the loans they need, they can deal with all the regulation. They know how to find ways to get through the tax code, save money by putting various things in the places where there are low tax havens around the world for their businesses.
Mitt Romney
And as were confirming through leaked internal Bain documents, Romneys statement this week to a group of wealthy donors amounts to expert testimony. When it comes to find(ing) ways to get through the tax code, sav(ing) money by putting various things in the places where there are low tax havens around the world, such as Switzerland, Luxembourg and the Caymans, Romney knows his stuff.
Those leaked documents also have cast light on a highly controversial and perhaps illegal strategy used by Bain Capital to slash the tax burden of Romney and its other partners.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/25/romney-bain-dancing-at-outer-boundaries-of-tax-law/
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)icarusxat
(403 posts)is that Mitt has probably stiffed his own church. God and loopholes? Buy into being legitimate and mainstream? Why do so many people have their fingers in their ears? What is that humming sound? Avoiding taxes is one thing, avoiding truthiness...? How do you sleep at night Mr. Mitt?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)emotions like guilt.
Cha
(319,076 posts)top of it and cackle like a maniac at his own greed.
Just so it isn't in our White House.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)deliberately creating (shoveling) truthiness (i.e., plausible sounding BS). What he is avoiding is truth, which is the opposite of truthiness.
CountAllVotes
(22,215 posts)Spill yer guts Mitts!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In France, for example, prior to the French Revolution and even in the 14th century when France and England were emerging from the Middle Ages and struggling to establish their boundaries, peasants and the middle class revolted due to tax policies similar to those we see in the US and Europe now. The rich wanted war and the wealth and glory it brought to them but did not want to pay the taxes to cover the costs of the war. Oh, no. They pushed that burden on the poor and middle class.
On his deathbed, one of the French kings during the 14th century became worried that his violent enforcement of unfair taxes on the poor and middle classes would condemn him to eternity in hell. To avoid that fate, he issued an edict stating that the people would never again have to pay those taxes.
The Republicans claim to be Christian, but they don't seem worried about spending eternity in hell because of their horrible tax policies. I guess we can't expect to have fair taxes.
libodem
(19,288 posts)To be defrauding his county this way. Surely he would not want to invest in this government for the people by the people democracy thingie we got goin'on.
No he wants to pave the way to a Plutocracy where it's for the rich, by the rich, all the time. What do you think he went to France, for? To study the Aristocracy and how to win the revolution this time.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)
...Believe in America = tax evasion.
[font size=21pt]RMONEY[/font]
[font size=21pt]BELIEVES IN TAX EVASION![/font]
treestar
(82,383 posts)He wants to be President of this country. He should love it enough to prefer to pay taxes and keep his money here rather than do this stuff. Even if legal, it's still the choice he made.
standingtall
(3,148 posts)Is his admission that he helped foreign investors cheat the United States out of tax revenue.
hue
(4,949 posts)Beartracks
(14,591 posts)... the ins and outs of this explanation seem a bit impenetrable to me. The bulk of Romney supporters are going to hear this (if at all) like it's just a trumped up, meaningless, esoteric accusation. And even if they do get wind of it, they'll still be thinking, "What's the big deal? He made money, he did it legally, and he's going to do the same for me and the country. Yeee-hawww!!"
Well, that's my concern anyway. The true believers aren't going to see this for what it really is: greed, selfishness, and moral bankruptcy. Instead, they'll believe (and it will be reinforced by talk radio) that none of it matters. So even if the wheels fall off Romney's campaign car, he'll always have a rabid pit crew trying to keep it going.
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red dog 1
(33,063 posts)This cheers me up. ...It will be interesting to see what if any of the mainstream media covers this.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)rury
(1,021 posts)get the red out
(14,031 posts)Or is this just on various blogs? I am really hoping the media picks this up, but I've seen them ignore crap on the GOPers too many times.