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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThey're all compromised. All of the Republican politicians are in deep with whatever Trump is in.
Whether it be with Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Israel, individual oligarchs from all over the world, all of the homegrown corruption in the USA, the NRA, Erik Prince and his merry band of murdering mercenaries, and all of the other high crimes and misdemeanors that the Trump-Kushner Crime Family is globally...
They. Are. All. Criminals.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Including Mueller.
Shell_Seas
(3,365 posts)Pepsidog
(6,263 posts)maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)he's not going whistleblower at this time, because he's a straight arrow.
so slow your roll on that one.
at least till the butchered report's out.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)would have come out with something, anything to stop this freight train of propaganda from barr and the white house.
Instead, mueller, always the repubican first exactly like the every one of the rest of them, remains totally silent; as if the complete and honorable silence mueller and his team maintained during the entire investigation still engenders the respect it deserved even after a known political hack and now complicit criminal like barr misrepresents those findings.
There does come a point where disobeying the law is the honorable thing to do. Rather than allowing the letter of the law to excuse your supposed patriotism and honor.
mueller will go down in history, just like those weak frauds kelly, mattis, mcmaster and all the rest of our hard-nosed no-nonsense military "heroes". LOFL
Instead, mueller maintains radio silence. Just like the fucking political hack he's always been. mueller has no problem going down in history as having gone down for trump. Just like the rest of them.
maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)does the Special Counsel law allow him to report publicly outside of Atty General permission?
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Does the Special Counsel law allow him to sell-out his country, destroy his lifetime legacy and sell his soul outside of Atty General permission?
maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)You have no idea what his motives or intentions are; he hasn't said jack. A couple of his prosecutors said ONE thing - that Barr's summary is too mild on President Asshole.
Maybe Mueller's waiting for tomorrow, maybe he's not. We simply don't know, and you are speculating/projecting. Patience. There's plenty of time left to be pissed off.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)mueller is clearly part of the coverup.
Wake up. Everything else is just Pollyanna.
maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)Barr was brought on to do exactly what he's doing.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Excusing them won't change them. This is another coverup just like Iran Contra. And everyone involved who does nothing to stop it, including mueller and everyone on his "team", is responsible for this coverup and the consequences.
When those consequences come it will be too late for mueller or anyone else to do anything about it.
Patriots? Heroes? True Americans? No. Just a bunch of criminals running their scam while we discuss what we can do about it - legally.
LOFL
maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)I still don't know what he thinks, except that he won't participate.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)We're all waiting around for something to happen like back in the 1930s.
We all know where waiting around for something to happened led back then.
If mueller doesn't want to participate in the dog and pony show then, IMO, it's his DUTY to release his full unredacted report to the House leadership IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the dog and pony show tomorrow.
Kensan
(180 posts)But Barr did say during one of his Hearings that Mueller could release the entire report directly to Congress. That might be further reduced to specific Committee chairpersons and ranking members, rather than anyone in Congress. I haven't read enough to know the finer details of the Special Council Law on that matter. Even with a limited number of allowable recipients, Mueller would allow the appropriate Committees to decipher all of the relevant information, and make decisions about pursuing additional investigations and informing the public.
Barr even had a quaint qualifier term he added after he said Mueller could give it to Congress. He said such an event would be...unfortunate. Yes, I imagine it would be very unfortunate that elected officials could review the results of a 2-year investigation into whether dipshit45 is compromised. They might even be able to ascertain if he was a willing sellout, instead of a useful idiot.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)And ultimately YOUR reputation is on the line.
If I was in that position and that lying fuck barr told me I could release it directly to congress - it would have been released about 10 seconds after barr said that.
Where is mueller? I guess he's more interested in being a repubican hack than in preserving his supposedly sterling reputation.
Didn't they try to portray barr as having a sterling reputation too?
LOFL
repubicans.
LOFLouder
Democrats who believe them.
Pepsidog
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of retribution by DOJ. Mueller continues on his no speaking tour will make him worse than Barr.
maxsolomon
(33,642 posts)One assumes he'll be invited to multiple committees on Friday after Barr's butchery is revealed. As will his aides.
Let it play out.
Pepsidog
(6,263 posts)DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Handing a flash drive to Nadler or Schiff would be an act of Patriotism and nothing short of that.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Even in the age of trump. But only for true patriots. And mueller's silence is fast-reducing his chances of ever being considered by history to be a patriot.
Big square-jawed mueller reduced to being the typical, sad, weak repubican hack.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,337 posts)calimary
(82,069 posts)make it symbolically.
If this was everything Barr said it was, he'd be there. Why didn't anybody ask - "why is Special Counsel Mueller not here with you? Did he not want to come? Was he told to stay away?" I'm still not clear on that one.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,337 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)Mueller's answer after two years of investigations: Here is the evidence, but I can't produce an indictment. How convenient. It is anti-synonymous with Pilot washing his hands of the condemnation of Jesus and handing him over to his enemies for judgement.
starphlo
(25 posts)it's the best I've heard so far. I had a feeling this was going on the whole time.
dogman
(6,073 posts)t-Rump is just the tip. The gop is rotten to the core.
uponit7771
(90,444 posts)... amounts to PACs
BigmanPigman
(51,837 posts)Last night Sen. Barbara Boxer told MSNBC that the GOP is dying as a party. It can't die soon enough for me.
Generic Brad
(14,285 posts)Their bodies were snatched by souless criminals.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)The election meddling and finance corruption is more of an institutional problem than partisan. The extent was especially transparent in MO with the Greitens scandal. His first inclination was to run as a Democrat, but he switched. The corrupt donors in the mix were sometimes agnostic or hedged their bets and they appear in the backgrounds of candidates for both parties. Greitens switched parties when he saw that Koster had a fundraising advantage in the Democratic primary.
We should keep in mind that if HRC had won despite Russian tempering (likely without Comey), there's a good chance we would be on the defensive right now. Regardless of who the intended winner was, the actual winner is naturally viewed as the beneficiary. Despite all predictions and expectations the criminal won most likely with the aid of multiple unexpected variables. Remove Comey, and from our perspective the interference may have had little to no effect. It makes it difficult to ascertain what the desired outcome was without explicit confirmation from all involved.
Rooting out what left us vulnerable to Russian tampering, it's going to require much more than impeachment. Sadly, we are in a pickle worse than we imagined.
Firestorm49
(4,077 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Filtered through the RNC and NRA. They. All. Took. It!
dlk
(11,718 posts)There is no overstating this.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)Javaman
(62,609 posts)it's systemic among the repukes.
kag
(4,087 posts)He is even more culpable, in my opinion, than the orange menace. We NEED Kentucky to get rid of this criminal!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)C Moon
(12,259 posts)but with each passing day, it's become apparent: the whole party is compromised.
The GOP is run by Russian money.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Now that they have merged with the Trump, Putin, Saudi, and other crime families, they are now part of the biggest criminal organization in world history. The old US Mafia is a small local street gang in comparison. The RCF and their partners effect the lives of billions and have access now to trillions of dollars.
Grammy23
(5,820 posts)It is the only explanation that makes any sense of what weve witnessed since well before the 2016 election. Over and over we hoped, crossed our fingers and were pretty sure that we had crossed a red line and that the Republicans would stop the madness with tRump. But we were let down time after time. Everything we thought we knew about our Constitution and how things are supposed to work has been kicked in the teeth.
Weve discussed this until the horse is dead and now were simply beating his tired old, beat up carcass. We are left with but one conclusion why nothing has been done to fix things and lots has been done to thwart investigations. There is rottenness from top to bottom, side to side. Weve found the Achilles heel in our Constitution. If enough members of the three branches work together to throw a wrench into the engine of our great countrys governing bodies, it can be brought to a stop. Evil prevails. Justice is not done. And sadly, we found out some people are above the law.
Unless and until someone or several someones in our three branches will step up and do the right thing, the craziness will continue and the people involved will get away with their crimes. Only the historians will finally tell the truth maybe long after we are all gone.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/bcci-indictment-pushed-for-by-mueller-was-blocked-by-trump-ag-pick-william-barr-in-1991/
Mr. Mueller indicated to Mr. Rivera and to me as well that they would prefer that our indictment that we work aggressively on it as much as possible I received a phone call a little bit before noon on August 22 from Denis Saylor who indicated to me that I was directed not to return the BCCI indictment. And I asked who was directing me not to return it, and he said Attorney General William Barr (US Atty Lehtinen)
As Robert Mueller III, the Assistant Attorney General at the Justice Department now in charge of the BCCI investigation, testified in October, 1991: BCCI was not an ordinary bank. It was set up deliberately to avoid centralized regulatory review, and operated extensively in bank secrecy jurisdictions. Its affairs are extraordinarily complex. Its offers were sophisticated international bankers whose apparent objective was to keep their affairs secret, to commit fraud on a massive scale, and to avoid detection (The BCCI Affair A Report to the Committee on Foreign RelationsUnited States Senate by Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank BrownDecember 1992) https://archive.org/stream/TheBCCIAffair/The-BCCI-Affair_djvu.txt
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BCCI and CIA, excerpt. Notice the reference to murdered journalist Khashoggis uncle and to the USSR. Remember that Trump dined, at least once, at the home of Khashoggis uncle in NYC : In the case of BCCI, former CIA officials, including former CIA director Richard Helms and the late William Casey; former and current foreign intelligence officials, including Kamal Adham and Abdul Raouf Khalil; and principal foreign agents of the U.S., such as Adnan Khashoggi and Manucher Ghorbanifar, float in and out of BCCI at critical times in its history, and participate simultaneously in the making of key episodes in U.S. foreign policy, ranging from the Camp David peace talks to the arming of Iran as part of the Iran/Contra affair. As early as the mid-1980s, sources in the United Kingdom were alleging that BCCI was providing services not only to the CIA, but to intelligence agencies of a number of countries, including the Soviet Union. https://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm
UpInArms
(51,320 posts)Evolve Dammit
(17,187 posts)about avoiding taxes by renting a hotel suite in TX. All they care about is avoiding paying their fair share and screwing anyone they can to make a buck. It's half the country too, so what do you do with that?
dangermouse2017
(50 posts)And wealth is sign of moral anything
Expose the idea of the prosperity gospel and watch who gets the vapors
wiggs
(7,868 posts)are protecting the party from Trump (I'm sure Trump has threatened to expose all secrets) and from obliteration due to criminal behavior.
I think they are silent co-conspirators and are going along with a historically horrific toddler in the white house because otherwise the party gets exposed for the hollow, immoral, criminal organization it is. The party may be on the verge of disappearing if the public discovers the truth and I imagine gop officials and some democrats (and maybe institutionalists like Mueller) think that could be a very bad thing.
This may be gamed out/negotiated so that the whole US political infrastructure, public perception, reputation around the world, etc doesn't just blow up. If Seth Abramson is correct -- that the world's oligarchs from several countries conspired to place a puppet in the white house, manipulate an election, and corrupt democracy using media and vast amounts of money -- then we are in uncharted territory. Possible crisis, chaos, vulnerability.
If there's such a thing as a bank that's too big to fail...then this is the political equivalent. As corrupt as the gop and its players are (and as hypocritical, immoral, unjust, arrogant, short-sighted) it may be that TPTB consider the GOP and the RNC too big to fail and will negotiate a soft landing?
OMGWTF
(4,074 posts)geardaddy
(25,014 posts)starting with Prescott Bush.
Hotler
(11,616 posts)BFEE, that's a dark dirty pool of rat fuckers.
geardaddy
(25,014 posts)And people say they aren't as bad as Cheetolini and his rat fuckers.
NacLeeFF
(89 posts)Prescotts father and father-in-law, respectively.
geardaddy
(25,014 posts)I'm not surprised that it was much earlier in that family.
Pepsidog
(6,263 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,169 posts)I believe there were some Dems at a meeting before Pussy Grabber was allowed to befoul the White House at which some of these allegations were discussed. It was reported specifically that Feinstein and Maxine Waters seemed "stunned" afterwards. . . Yep. . . I am SURE 100% of those Repig reptiles is compromised in an ugly way.
And THAT is why Maxine Waters doesn't tolerate anything Pussy Grabber says or does IMHO. . . Of course she must have loathed him on a purely personal level as he is so repelling, but she must KNOW something that we don't. . . .
trueblue2007
(17,324 posts)alittlelark
(18,891 posts)now it is obvious....
Hotler
(11,616 posts)some on our side of the isle that may be soiled also. I think that there is something big and ugly laying under the surface that when the corruption comes to light it may rock both parties. Money has a way of making people make crazy decisions.
Ahpook
(2,755 posts)He is but a symptom!
This country has major fucking problems.
bluestarone
(17,402 posts)We ALL know it!!
BigmanPigman
(51,837 posts)and she solved the anagram..."All of Them Witches". Yikes! In this case it is "All of Them Criminals" and I am just as scared since "this isn't a dream, this is really happening".
cstanleytech
(26,487 posts)and are involved in rather its more of a case of them willing to condone it for as long as they get what they want.
dlk
(11,718 posts)IronLionZion
(45,906 posts)They blocked Obama's appointees to everything from federal courts to Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court. They scuttled Obama's jobs plans and sabotaged the ACA and other reforms.
We all thought Hillary would win back then and appoint good liberals to make up for some of this obstruction.
Republicans knew Trump would win even though all the polls showed him losing in a historic landslide. They're totally in on whatever corruption is going on. They've been selling stocks and investments when they were high, knowing he'll do something to cause the markets to dip. Then they buy low. They made out like bandits from his tax cuts and trade policies.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)The very fact that they are Republicans means they've already been selected because they are individuals who can be corrupted by monied interests.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)We have an oligarchy, which runs the politicians, who are in with the oligarchy (who are international) and other billionaires in other countries.
So I guess our candidate had better be tough as nails, savvy at skirting politics in D.C., and not married to ethics? Politics has always been corrupt and shady, but this is a new level. And it's here. With no accountability, even when it's known. The politicians laugh about so-and-so being paid by the Russians, love it when the White House issues orders to kill investigations, and such.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Don't forget the Russians hacked the Republicans too.
Kompromat