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i don't understand why Mueller couldn't charge tRUMP for ATTEMPTING to break the law! (Original Post) bluestarone Apr 2019 OP
Like Junior for instance SHRED Apr 2019 #1
yea that's it. bluestarone Apr 2019 #2
DOJ rule: can't indict sitting president Cicada Apr 2019 #3
That "rule" (memo) is anti-Constitutional. Should have been rescinded decades ago. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #4
Perhaps it will be now. nt sarabelle Apr 2019 #5
Once adults are in charge again. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #6
EXACTLY!!! bluestarone Apr 2019 #8
HA! doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #11
Mueller as DOJ employee must obey DOJ rule Cicada Apr 2019 #18
BUT i take it that even Mueller feels that you can bluestarone Apr 2019 #7
Looks to me that he feels chafed by that memo and disagrees with it. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #9
He had to state it in a convoluted way, but it's obvious he had enough to indict mn9driver Apr 2019 #10
AGREE and bluestarone Apr 2019 #12
He stuck by DOJ policy. That doesn't mean he doesn't think he broke the law. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2019 #13
Oh i fully agree that he feels tRUMP is guilty. bluestarone Apr 2019 #15
You have to understand he's not a politician. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2019 #17
In his mind, it's about intent... cynatnite Apr 2019 #14
YES to this! TY bluestarone Apr 2019 #16

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
7. BUT i take it that even Mueller feels that you can
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:39 AM
Apr 2019

Indict a sitting president? Something is NOT right here.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Looks to me that he feels chafed by that memo and disagrees with it.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:43 AM
Apr 2019

But didn't quite step over the line to protect the country.

mn9driver

(4,423 posts)
10. He had to state it in a convoluted way, but it's obvious he had enough to indict
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:44 AM
Apr 2019

except for the fact that Trump is the sitting president.

The obstruction case is all tied up with a pretty bow and he handed it to Congress, saying it is their job to act on it.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
13. He stuck by DOJ policy. That doesn't mean he doesn't think he broke the law.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
Apr 2019

If you read between the lines, it seems pretty obvious that he does think that Trump broke the law. And obstruction is an inchoate offense, meaning the attempt of it is criminal even if it is not successful.

The report expressly refuses to say that Trump didn't break the law on obstruction, and then lays out 179 pages of evidence that appears to support that he did break the law on obstruction.

The prospects of impeachment and indictment after he leaves office were never ruled out by Mueller.

I know it's frustrating that Mueller appears to be straddling a middle line here, but I wouldn't say he's leaving Trump off the hook by any stretch of the imagination.

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
15. Oh i fully agree that he feels tRUMP is guilty.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:00 PM
Apr 2019

I just wished Mueller would have stated STRAIGHT out that he wanted CONGRESS to very much continue with Subpoenas! ALSO demanded stronger terms that tRUMP be subpoenaed.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
17. You have to understand he's not a politician.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:03 PM
Apr 2019

He's an investigator.

And it's not his role to tell Congress to do the things that should be painfully obvious they should do.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
14. In his mind, it's about intent...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:55 AM
Apr 2019

Which doesn't seem like he couldn't make a determination on.

Plus, charging him could bring a host of problems. It would be fought and fought and fought all the way to the supreme court. Even if he somehow got charged and brought into a courtroom, arguments would have to show beyond reasonable doubt. If they could find an impartial jury, that in itself offers no guarantees.

I know it's a certainty from our perspectives, but Mueller looks at it differently on what he finds that offers a guarantee of getting a guilty verdict.

This is why Mueller was smart enough to make the point in the report that this will be up to congress. I think in his mind he hopes congress will move towards impeachment.

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