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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's say we impeach and the Senate fails to convict . . . . .
. . . . does that mean a criminal conviction is impossible doe to double jeopardy?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,939 posts)Just shooting from the hip here, impeachment is neither a criminal nor a civil trial, so the double jeopardy question is moot.
still_one
(92,193 posts)could then be indicted..
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)jay1124
(29 posts)if you shoot at the king you best not miss. which means unless 15-17 gop senators vote to convict and remove, hes going into the fall 2020 screaming witch hunt and that puts everything down ballot goes republican ,and we end up in a deeper hole than where we started.
so we got two more options, first we investigate and subpoena the hell out of the trump white house and all of the cabinets. if he starts tweet complaining, that means youre on the right track and keep going. second is to start closing behind a dem nominee after super Tuesday. no more dragging it out to the convention. its going to come down to us to vote him out. he barely won if not cheated, lets not give him a second chance to pull it off again!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)0rganism
(23,955 posts)better get ready for it. if that's enough to tip all the down-ballot races by itself, we really have nothing to lose.
if there's a solid case for impeachment, the onus will be on the Republican senators who vote to keep a felon in office. i say, let them go on record supporting a reeking impeached asshole. i don't think it's going to hurt us as much as you apparently do.
jay1124
(29 posts)it would be VERY difficult to say witch-hunt when you have various campaign staff and cabinet members under indictment and investigations. the point is that you want to bri is the truth out into the open. were not trying to get that 35-38% of the voting public to vote dem, start peeling off the 3-4% to either vote with us or stay at home.
better
(884 posts)But you're overlooking the very obvious likelihood that he's going to go into the fall screaming witch hunt no matter what.
And on top of that, you're making the mistake of assuming that the majority of the general public will view a failure to convict on very easy to understand articles of impeachment that lay out compelling evidence of crimes that really do actually matter to the public that we should expect in this era the same way it did to a failure to convict over lying about a blowjob 25 years ago. I, for one, do not believe for a minute that would be the case.
The Trump base is going to show up and vote for him come hell or high water, so we need to just stop taking into account what will anger or frighten them. They're live on being angry and afraid, and their masters will always find a way to keep them that way.
The reality, imho, is that we need to be much more worried about enthusiasm on our side, and there is nothing that will demoralize our base like the majority we worked our asses off to rescue the House failing to exercise the authority we gave them to actually hold this administration accountable. We absolutely cannot count on the DOJ or the courts to check them, so impeachment is the only venue in which we can enforce any kind of accountability.
I say open impeachment proceedings, but be prepared to investigate as long as is necessary. We need to recognize that starting impeachment proceedings now DOES NOT EQUAL voting on articles of impeachment now. But it does confer upon the investigation a vastly more serious status.
Bottom line, Congress has a duty to impeach and convict for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. We must not use our opposition's willingness to fail to uphold their constitutional obligations to excuse us from upholding ours.
no_hypocrisy
(46,115 posts)Conviction of a crime is financial penalty and/or prison.
Impeachment is not criminal; therefore, there is no double jeopardy risk.