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Let's say we impeach and the Senate fails to convict . . . . . (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Apr 2019 OP
No because it's not a criminal trial. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #1
Impeachment does not attach jeopardy. So, no. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #2
IANAL... Cirque du So-What Apr 2019 #3
No. Impeachment is a political process. If impeachment and conviction is successful, the President still_one Apr 2019 #4
The Constitution says impeachment does not bar subsequent prosecution. marylandblue Apr 2019 #5
there's a saying from "the wire" jay1124 Apr 2019 #6
Agree wholeheartedly GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #7
he's going to scream "witch hunt" regardless 0rganism Apr 2019 #8
which is why i still say let the investigations continue jay1124 Apr 2019 #10
You say he will go into the fall screaming witch hunt if we impeach and fail to convict. better Apr 2019 #9
No. Impeachment is removal from office. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #11

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
3. IANAL...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:35 PM
Apr 2019

Just shooting from the hip here, impeachment is neither a criminal nor a civil trial, so the double jeopardy question is moot.

still_one

(92,193 posts)
4. No. Impeachment is a political process. If impeachment and conviction is successful, the President
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:38 PM
Apr 2019

could then be indicted..

jay1124

(29 posts)
6. there's a saying from "the wire"
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:36 PM
Apr 2019

if you shoot at the king you best not miss. which means unless 15-17 gop senators vote to convict and remove, he’s going into the fall 2020 screaming witch hunt and that puts everything down ballot goes republican ,and we end up in a deeper hole than where we started.

so we got two more options, first we investigate and subpoena the hell out of the trump white house and all of the cabinets. if he starts tweet complaining, that means you’re on the right track and keep going. second is to start closing behind a dem nominee after super Tuesday. no more dragging it out to the convention. it’s going to come down to us to vote him out. he barely won if not cheated, let’s not give him a second chance to pull it off again!

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
8. he's going to scream "witch hunt" regardless
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:55 PM
Apr 2019

better get ready for it. if that's enough to tip all the down-ballot races by itself, we really have nothing to lose.

if there's a solid case for impeachment, the onus will be on the Republican senators who vote to keep a felon in office. i say, let them go on record supporting a reeking impeached asshole. i don't think it's going to hurt us as much as you apparently do.

jay1124

(29 posts)
10. which is why i still say let the investigations continue
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:18 PM
Apr 2019

it would be VERY difficult to say witch-hunt when you have various campaign staff and cabinet members under indictment and investigations. the point is that you want to bri is the truth out into the open. we’re not trying to get that 35-38% of the voting public to vote dem, start peeling off the 3-4% to either vote with us or stay at home.

better

(884 posts)
9. You say he will go into the fall screaming witch hunt if we impeach and fail to convict.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:13 PM
Apr 2019

But you're overlooking the very obvious likelihood that he's going to go into the fall screaming witch hunt no matter what.

And on top of that, you're making the mistake of assuming that the majority of the general public will view a failure to convict on very easy to understand articles of impeachment that lay out compelling evidence of crimes that really do actually matter to the public that we should expect in this era the same way it did to a failure to convict over lying about a blowjob 25 years ago. I, for one, do not believe for a minute that would be the case.

The Trump base is going to show up and vote for him come hell or high water, so we need to just stop taking into account what will anger or frighten them. They're live on being angry and afraid, and their masters will always find a way to keep them that way.

The reality, imho, is that we need to be much more worried about enthusiasm on our side, and there is nothing that will demoralize our base like the majority we worked our asses off to rescue the House failing to exercise the authority we gave them to actually hold this administration accountable. We absolutely cannot count on the DOJ or the courts to check them, so impeachment is the only venue in which we can enforce any kind of accountability.

I say open impeachment proceedings, but be prepared to investigate as long as is necessary. We need to recognize that starting impeachment proceedings now DOES NOT EQUAL voting on articles of impeachment now. But it does confer upon the investigation a vastly more serious status.

Bottom line, Congress has a duty to impeach and convict for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. We must not use our opposition's willingness to fail to uphold their constitutional obligations to excuse us from upholding ours.

no_hypocrisy

(46,115 posts)
11. No. Impeachment is removal from office.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:32 AM
Apr 2019

Conviction of a crime is financial penalty and/or prison.

Impeachment is not criminal; therefore, there is no double jeopardy risk.

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