In my view if the House decides to implement articles of impeachment, it would be better if it was

[still_one]

after Mueller testifies before Congress.

While it is almost certain that Senate will not vote to convict, the argument for impeachment, regardless whether the Senate convicts or not, is it puts everyone on record in Congress where they stand on damning evidence in the Mueller report.

Mueller made it clear in the report that he will not indict Trump because he believes a sitting President cannot be indicted. However, he also made it clear that after a president leaves office, he absolutely can be indicted.

He refused to exonerate trump, and left it up to Congress to decide if he should be removed from office.

If somehow impeachment and conviction did happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Pence pardoned trump, as Ford pardoned Nixon.

Because of the Mueller report, I believe the House must introduce articles of impeachment, whether it is successful or not, it will put everyone on the record, and let the chips fall where they may

[BigmanPigman]

1. When is he going to testify?

We need to step on it.

[still_one]

3. It won't be before the House gets back before recess, but neither would impeachment occur before

then either, but they should do it with upmost haste while it is fresh in everyone's mind

I also said that would be ideal, but I also believe he could be called during impeachment hearings themselves

[BigmanPigman]

4. Definaltely!

[pangaia]

2. Maybe we can get some really good dirt on enough 'possible' swing senators

or ANY senators,

to encourage them to vote to convict..

Like maybe susan collins wears a wig and is really bald,
or ted cruz was once caught... I dunno doin' something

heh, heh, heh..

[still_one]

5. I think it is a pretty high threshold to get 2/3, though if enough republicans up for reelection

believe this could hurt them in 2020, they might just vote to convict

[jcgoldie]

6. And if it sways public opinion and helps get Trump another 4 years?

...to run out the statute of limitations on all the crimes detailed in the investigation? Then what? I just don't understand "impeachment because its our duty" argument. Its our duty to do everything possible to make sure Trump is not president for another 4 years.

[still_one]

8. I understand your position, and I was tending toward that position, until I gave it some thought

The facts from the Mueller report is we have a President who tried to obstruct justice. There are 10 instances of that cited in the report.

Going through the process of impeachment not only will acknowledge that, but will put people on the record if they believe that obstructing justice is ok, and I think that is important. Doing nothing will setup a dangerous precedent, that obstruction of justice is not an impeachable offense, and that in my view is not good

[Karadeniz]

7. Sched. May 23, so far. There are benefits to having all

The televised hearings. The Gop base is largely uninformed, but they may tune in if the interrogators can keep interest up. Then the base might absorb some reality.

Optimistically yours,
Kara

[still_one]

9. For me it is beyond the "politics" of the situation. It is the House stating clearly that

obstruction of justice isprecedent an impeachable offense, and undermines our democracy

[Karadeniz]

14. I agtee. I've said so many times in impeachment discussions. The public hearings may or may not

Lead to formal impeachment. Joyce Wine Bank, just on Eleventh Hour, swears by the importance of public hearings. She was there for the whole Watergate process.

[defacto7]

10. It seems to me some people are in a big hurry to get tRump pardoned.

Impeachment and conviction equals Pence.

Pence equals pardon.

If he's voted out then he gets an indictment the first day he walks out of the WH.

Which do we want?

[babylonsister]

11. If he's impeached, he's voted out by Congress and us.

Yea, Pence is a problem but not as big a one.

[still_one]

12. Yes, if impeachment and conviction happen, there is a good possibility he would be pardoned by Pence

However, the message would be loud and clear that a president should not obstruct justice, and is not above the law

Whether impeachment and conviction are successful or not, people will be on the record whether they believe a President is above the law

[William769]

13. Agreed.