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If "The senate won't convict" is the argument against impeachment and "The Senate won't pass it" is the argument against House legislative efforts, what is it exactly that you strategists believe the House Democrats should spend the next 18 months doing?
Is the goal to just...be in the majority, and then sit there? "Yes! We took the House! Now, to hold HEARINGS on stuff for 2 years"?
That's like, Beto-level emptiness. Keep saying stuff like "We all need to come together" without ever saying TO DO WHAT.
https://www.facebook.com/ginandtacos/posts/10156811980101677
Here's the take-home point.
What we confirmed today is that Democrats can never wait for bipartisan buy-in to act against Trump. The GOP has made its deal with the devil and is willing to turn a blind eye to this nakedly corrupt authoritarian clown show in exchange for long-term control of the federal courts.
Either the House Democrats act now, or they just give up and we turn into Putin-era Russia, where the truth becomes so obviously irrelevant and the game so obviously rigged that the public checks out of politics altogether. This really is an important point. What happens next matters. If this isn't impeachable, nothing is impeachable. "But he won't be convicted in the Senate" is a terrible argument, a legacy of the "Let me explain why we can't win and shouldn't try" mindset the Reid-Pelosi-Schumer years have baked into Democratic DNA.
If the current status of our political system is that one party openly abets a corrupt wannabe-dictator and the other party is afraid to challenge him because they think it will make voters mad, then we might as well throw in the towel right now. If not impeachment, then what is the right thing to do? Act "disappointed"? Give pretty speeches?
What if - just maybe - it actually *improved* the party's standing to demonstrate it has basic principles that can't be swayed by amateur theorizing about how it might impact the next election. "We are for the rule of law...unless we worry that White Working Class Diner Customers won't like it" is exactly the kind of spinelessness that those voters detest.
https://www.facebook.com/ginandtacos/posts/10156811256891677
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)K&R
Thekaspervote
(32,751 posts)This is like war- impeachment is the name of this particular battle...a very big battle. If we loose this battle we may very well loose the war.
lame54
(35,279 posts)Truth is we don't know the outcome
But it feels so wrong to do nothing
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Passover. Relax...the impeachment train is quite large and it takes time for it to get going...but I promise you as it travels along through various counties of misdeed other passengers will board.
lame54
(35,279 posts)They don't want to impeach if it means lo(o)sing
Of course we'll lose in the senate - they will never remove Trump regardless of the mountain of evidence
But if we don't fight we risk alienating voters due to inaction
2020 is the goal and impeachment, win or lose, is deeply tied to it
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)I think it's time for a break !!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)mountain grammy
(26,612 posts)gibraltar72
(7,501 posts)plimsoll
(1,668 posts)And only support the parts we like.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)I wish I had written this (with exception of gratuitous slam on Beto).
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)Dems --- impeach or resign and go home and cry. Pick one. Now.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)If you don't see this by now, you need to get your head out of your ass.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)moreland01
(736 posts)That's not nice. Some of us like him and what he stands for. How about Mitch-level emptiness. Or some other republican-level emptiness. Stop crapping on our own team!
ProfessorPlum
(11,254 posts)I have no feelings on Beto....he kind of got some side heat from the author, whose other remarks I thought were important.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Barr said he would release the grand jury information for impeachment. The flip side of that coin is that I guarantee that Barr will never release that grand jury information without impeachment. The grand jury documents are where all of the juicy stuff is.
We don't have much time, soon Barr will use the excuse that he doesn't want to taint the election.