The argument is aimed at 15% of the voting age population.

[Funtatlaguy]

Mueller report, hearings, impeachment, etc. is and or would be aimed about 15% of the people who are not definitely in one camp or another.

I believe that 30% of Americans absolutely love Trump and nothing can change that.
I believe that 50% of Americans absolutely hate Trump and nothing can change that.
I believe that 5% of Americans could care less either way and nothing can change that.
Then, I believe there is the 15% that is persuadable one way or the other.

The question for Dems in leadership is how important that 15% really is.
Is it worth chasing them to force his resignation or enuf GOP Senators to impeach.
Or should we find other ways to reach enuf to guarantee a Dem landslide in 2020 including flipping the Senate.

[louis c]

1. You certainly understand...

Everyone agrees that Trump should be removed from office. Now, let's evaluate the situation. Will it be easier to get 270 electoral votes in November 2020 to remove him or 67 Senators now to remove him.

I'm guessing the former.

[Funtatlaguy]

2. I agree. I think the other argument is ethical not political.

[louis c]

3. Impeachment is not a legal decision, it's a political one...

...which means you need 67 Senators

[Funtatlaguy]

4. I mean some say it's ethically responsible even knowing 67 is unreachable.

[Jarqui]

5. I do not think the GOP controlled Senate would remove him

But I like the idea of impeachment because it is worth billions in free advertising to pummel Trump and the GOP (over a real scandal) many times worse than they pummeled Hillary for Benghazi (a fake scandal). They damaged Hillary significantly (look at her favorability numbers). What goes around, comes around. I'd like to see these treasonous pricks get a dose of their own medicine.

Trump wants to be on TV, right. Let's accommodate him by holding him and his party up with the evidence of their conduct for all to see. You cannot spin what Robert Mueller has collected. Facts are stubborn things.

The GOP may have some lying spinsters but having to face real evidence vs innuendo is a big difference. You're going to get evidence on Trump's Tower deal for example compared with what he told his followers during the campaign. You're going to get all kinds of evidence on the Trump Tower meeting and all the contacts Trump's campaign had with the Russians. Then people will wake up a little and realize the difference between not having enough evidence for "beyond a reasonable doubt" and what very probably really happened that Trump obstructed them from finding out.

Let the GOP run their 2020 campaign on that and find out what it felt like for Hillary. A key difference is much of that they spun on Hillary was BS. Mueller basically has produced an indictment with proof. The media will lap it up - impeaching a president.

They may well not get through it all. In fact, I hope so. So that the GOP gets stuck running with Trump in 2020.

[Funtatlaguy]

7. Excellent analysis

[captain queeg]

6. I think you are correct concerning the distribution

I don’t think there will be too huge of a landslide kicking Trump out, though it’ll be significant. I think it’ll be an electoral landslide like Nixon-MaGovern was. That would be just as satisfying given that he’s played up his 2016 victory so much and it was the the worst overall victory in history when comparing popular vs electoral.

[Funtatlaguy]

8. Imagine our joy and Trumps concession speech.

Would he even give one. Doubtful