Impeach him in October of 2020

[edhopper]

after long complete investigations.

Let the lame duck GOP Senate come back and do whatever they want after they lose the election.

Then indict his ass.

[Funtatlaguy]

1. Love it. It has a poetic flair.

[CaptainTruth]

2. I like the general idea, but I'd wait until right after he loses the election.

Then vote to impeach him. It won't pass the Senate but at that point, who cares? He'll be on the way out the door.

[edhopper]

3. the good thing about October

is he looks guilty before the election and he can't use the cowardly Senate to claim his innocent.

[TwilightZone]

4. "he can't use the cowardly Senate to claim his innocent"

Sure, he can. McConnell would be on TV talking about how it's just a cravenly political act, blah, blah, not worth the Senate's time, blah, blah, and Trump would say that proves he's innocent.

You know the guy has a pattern of this, right? It doesn't matter what happens or what anyone else does or says or what the facts are, he'll say whatever he wants, regardless. Pesky facts aren't about to stop him.

[edhopper]

6. Won't fly with anyone but

his core followers.

No one listens to McConnell, even Republicans don't approve of him.

He can claim all he wants, he will lose Bigly.

[TwilightZone]

8. Well, it would fly with the same people all his other lies fly with...

roughly 40% of the electorate.

That's the thing...the vast majority of people made up their minds about Trump long, long ago. If we're expecting impeachment to radically change the minds of a significant chunk of the electorate, there's little evidence that will happen and a good chance we'll be disappointed.

35-40% will still approve of him, no matter what, mostly Republicans. If they haven't bailed on him by now, they're unlikely to go anywhere. The other 60%-65% will disapprove. So basically just like now.

[edhopper]

11. Then he loses

Bigly. And and the Dems impeaching helps with the 65%.

[TwilightZone]

15. Don't be too confident.

His approval rating going into the 2016 election was 38% average.

He doesn't need a majority or even a plurality. He just needs to win the electoral college again.

Could he do that again with 40% approval? Probably not, but approval doesn't equate to vote share, as we know. Plenty of people disapproved of him and voted for him anyway.

"the Dems impeaching helps with the 65%"

For the most part, they're already on board. That's why I've noted that if we're expecting impeachment to radically change a bunch of minds, there aren't a lot of minds to change. Hardly anyone is undecided on Trump, either way.

[edhopper]

17. If it reflects

2018. We win.

[TwilightZone]

18. Sure, but Trump didn't run in 2018.

We can claim that it was an anti-Trump referendum, but much of it also had to do with intelligent Dem strategy, issues-based campaigns, and massive turnout. We have to replicate those conditions in 2020. I think we can, but the electorate is nothing if not finicky. We really have no clue how the electorate would react to an acquittal, for one.

He shouldn't have been able to win in 2016 either, but the perfect storm and some outside help made it happen.

I also think he loses in 2020 (I think a lot depends on the opponent), but I can't be 100% confident, because he never should have won the first time. And the electoral college is still a problem.

[uponit7771]

5. Why do you trust Red Don won't accept help from Russia and win .... Again

[edhopper]

7. Then he will win no matter what

we should all give up and leave the country if we can.


Impeachment, no impeachment, no difference. America is a banana republic.

[uponit7771]

9. No, we can impeach and attempt to get Red Don removed. I don't think we have a choice now...

...after looking at the breadth and width of GRU penetration into state and local electoral systems.

[edhopper]

10. The GOP Senate

will never convict. Even if they have the 18 minutes of tape.

I still think they should impeach.

[uponit7771]

12. Agree, then if there's a loss blame it on Russia helping Trump again. I'm continuing to hear dem ...

... pols depending on a extremely compromised paperless and out of compliance electoral system.

Red Don currently isn't even trying to take care of the low hanging fruit to secure our systems pre or post election.

[TwilightZone]

13. "attempt to get Red Don removed"

Zero chance of that happening. If we proceed with impeachment, we go into it with the understanding that removal will fail, which is why many are opining that failure in the Senate is irrelevant.

[uponit7771]

14. True, I'd be screaming to high heaven afterwards that the republicans left a benefactor of Russia's

... attack on America in the White House if we get an L in 2020.

[TwilightZone]

16. But we (and pretty much everyone, for that matter) already knows that about the Rs.

There's plenty of evidence, as we all know, of Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors, all of which has been summarily ignored by the Republicans, as pretty much everyone is aware. Their vote to acquit will be a surprise to no one.

[edhopper]

19. Don't kid yourself

2018 was all about Trump.

And the Russians were just one factor in 2016. Another 1/2% to Hillary and he loses.

I'll take 40% to 60%, Russians or not.

[Polybius]

20. Just because 40% approve of him doesn't mean only 40% will vote for him

A good 5% can't stand him but will vote for him anyway, just because he has an "R" after his name, or because they are doing well at their job, or because abortion or whatever reason.

Here are the latest polls by RCP. 40% is the lowest, from Monmouth Routers.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[edhopper]

21. So let's give up now

the Russians have beaten us.

[Polybius]

34. No way, we're not giving up

You misunderstood me. I just said that 40% approval doesn't mean 40% will vote for him. Overconfidence won't be how we win. We must work hard.

[edhopper]

35. I hope no one thinks it will be easy

though a few here make it sound impossible.

[Totally Tunsie]

22. Gotta' be careful we don't give Pencie enough time to pardon him.

Impeach on Nov. 1 -2. LOL

[brooklynite]

23. How will the GOP Senate lose the election?

There are more Republicans up than Democrats, but it'll still be an uphill climb to get control.

[edhopper]

24. I am anticipating support for an impeached President

might further hurt the GOP Senate.

Based on 2018, running against trump and his supporters is a winimng strategy.

[brooklynite]

28. We need net 4 seats...

Which means, pick up all of AZ, CO, ME, AND hold AL AND pick up one or more seats from: GA, IA, KS, KY, MS, NC, TN, AK, AR, ID, LA, MT, NE, OK, SC, SD, TX, WV, WY

Which of those States will be angry that Trump was Impeached?

[edhopper]

29. don't know

haven't studied the map.

I am sure there are loads of polls and articles by more qualified people than me out there.

[brooklynite]

31. Answer: Almost none.

That long list I gave you are Cook's LIKELY-R and SAFE-R seats in Southern and Western States. Either they like Trump, or they don't but they want a Democratic talking about economic issues, not Impeachment...like they did in 2018.

[edhopper]

32. Okay

why bother. The GOP keeps the Senate and Trump keeps the WH with the help of the Russians.

Why bother voting if it is already fixed.

[USALiberal]

25. So the senate will help with this? No they will not. nt

[edhopper]

33. By not trying him

they show themselves to be Trump lackey's and will feel it at the ballot box.

[beachbum bob]

26. actually be better to start the house impeachment hearing for the articles of impeachment

late this year and take 4-5 months on on c-span every day and then vote out impeachment to the Senate around May or June, the problem is NOTHING in the constitution REQUIRES an immediate trial in the Senate and McConnel could put it off until after the 2020 election. That being the case, the 2020 election would be about McConnel and GOP hiding trump's criminal/impeachment trial and I believe that motivates democratic voters way more than republican voters....the landslide could be huge for democrats.

[Quemado]

27. Totally agree - do it on October 28, 2020.

October 28, 2020 will be the fourth anniversary of James Comey's infamous letter to Congress.

Why not do to Trump what Comey did to Hillary Clinton?

[edhopper]

30. Love it!

[NYMinute]

36. That will just motivate republicans

to vote in large numbers and will make taking over the senate difficult.