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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:46 PM Apr 2019

Empty Pews May Mean It's Time To Downsize, Religious Leaders Say

Declining church attendance is forcing some religious leaders to make difficult decisions — namely, what to do with outsized or vacant places of worship.

Many U.S. churches were built decades ago during times of religious growth. In some communities, however, shrinking congregations no longer have the financial resources to maintain these large church properties. Eden Theological Seminary will host a two-day symposium this week focused on ways religious and community leaders can repurpose these buildings.

Many old churches have “substantial value,” said Robert Simons, professor of urban planning at Cleveland State University.

“For the most part, there’s a pretty short list of prohibited uses most faiths subscribe to,” said Simons, who will speak Wednesday at Eden Theological Seminary. “If you decommission the building and take out the sacred objects, it becomes a piece of real estate.”

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/empty-pews-may-mean-it-s-time-downsize-religious-leaders-say

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Empty Pews May Mean It's Time To Downsize, Religious Leaders Say (Original Post) Sherman A1 Apr 2019 OP
Yup. Sell those churches and deconsecrate them. MineralMan Apr 2019 #1
I know a couple people who 2naSalit Apr 2019 #2
I am happy to say Dirty Socialist Apr 2019 #3
Well it is Easter today. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #7
Good News, religion is in decline. Empty the churches and re-purpose them. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2019 #4
. dalton99a Apr 2019 #5
How about preserving at least some of their spiritual purpose and open them up Aristus Apr 2019 #6
Taco Guild, Phoenix ... NOMS!!! mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #8
A beautiful old Episcopal church in my area was repurposed as a performance venue. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #9
The buildings themselves, I appreciate The Genealogist Apr 2019 #10
I'm with you. Many of these buildings are to be appreciated architecturally. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #13
The big money churches are doing well. CBR - Cash Based Religion keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #11
U.S. Christianity has made a mockery of itself by supporting Trump NEOBuckeye Apr 2019 #12
They were in decline long before that. Mariana Apr 2019 #14
Agreed Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #21
Large majority of Black Christians did not vote for Trump Kaleva Apr 2019 #20
When people are working two and three jobs AwakeAtLast Apr 2019 #15
They might fill the pews again Raine Apr 2019 #16
The homeless lame54 Apr 2019 #17
Tax free for decades. Out of gratitude, they should donate those buildings. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2019 #18
"Oh, I never thought I'd have to do this again!!" Initech Apr 2019 #19

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
1. Yup. Sell those churches and deconsecrate them.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:48 PM
Apr 2019

Turn them into performing arts centers, restaurants and theaters. Just shut them down and walk away.

Some get converted into homes, while others find new uses. Here's a site with several interesting conversions:

https://www.readersdigest.co.uk/lifestyle/travel/10-innovative-uses-for-old-churches

2naSalit

(86,515 posts)
2. I know a couple people who
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:49 PM
Apr 2019

have purchased decommissioned churches and turned them into nice homes.

ETA: Granted, these were smaller neighborhood churches. For big ones, I like the idea posted above!

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
3. I am happy to say
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:52 PM
Apr 2019

The Franciscan church I went to (which is more politically liberal than regular Catholic Churches) was filled beyond capacity this morning.

dalton99a

(81,432 posts)
5. .
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:55 PM
Apr 2019

Kruisherenhotel Maastricht, Holland


Fontevraud L’Hôtel, Saint-Lazare, France


Hotel Sozo, Nantes, France


Spirito-Martini, Brussels, Belgium


Aristus

(66,310 posts)
6. How about preserving at least some of their spiritual purpose and open them up
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:56 PM
Apr 2019

to the homeless?

A lot of large churches have kitchens, bathrooms, laundry facilities; some even have gymnasiums, which could house hundreds of homeless people. Former church office space could be used by case managers directing their homeless residents to public services, substance abuse treatment, job resources, etc.

Reserving a couple of offices to serve as exam rooms means medical personnel could come in on a regular basis and hold clinic for sick residents.

Turning mega-churches from unapologetic cash-grabbing gimmicks into places truly doing God's work would be a job well-done.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
9. A beautiful old Episcopal church in my area was repurposed as a performance venue.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:09 PM
Apr 2019

It was designed by an influential Beaux-Arts architect, Emanuel Masqueray, and as such was historically significant and couldn't just be torn down to build an apartment building or something. A choral group I belonged to had rehearsed and performed there for many years (the acoustics were wonderful), and we were very disappointed when it was decided that it had to be closed down. The diocese couldn't support it anymore because the congregation had dwindled, the building needed work, and there were other churches of the same denomination not too far away. Fortunately, though, some investors bought it and turned it into a performing arts center, which now seems to be thriving. https://www.thesummitcenter.com/about





The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
10. The buildings themselves, I appreciate
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:30 PM
Apr 2019

I love older buildings, and I doubt I am alone. I suspect there are few towns and cities in this country that don't have at least one older, aesthetically pleasing old church. Smaller ones can become unique and interesting homes. I've seen former churches converted into various uses ranging from restaurants to antique stores.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. I'm with you. Many of these buildings are to be appreciated architecturally.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:32 PM
Apr 2019

I do not want to see the buildings razed, but rather re-purposed. It would be a shame to destroy such beauty because it's original purpose is no longer viable.

NEOBuckeye

(2,781 posts)
12. U.S. Christianity has made a mockery of itself by supporting Trump
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:58 PM
Apr 2019

No wonder they are in decline. They have so clearly and completely destroyed their credibility.

Trump represents the antithesis of everything Christianity was supposed to represent: hope, faith, truth, kindness, brotherhood, salvation.

Trump is none of those things. Christians put their faith in this despicable, cruel and vile man who blatantly and incessantly lies, destroys families, steals from the very people he was elected to serve, and is amoral.

By embracing an unrepentant Trump, they have essentially committed suicide as a religion. There is nothing to gain from being a part of a hypocritical faith, and this fact will only become even more glaring to the world in the wake of Trump's ultimate downfall.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
14. They were in decline long before that.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:47 PM
Apr 2019

Even so, the fact that the majority of Christian voters in 2016 cast their ballots for Trump - and that most of them would enthusiastically do so again if given the chance - may just accelerate the decline.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
21. Agreed
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 04:17 AM
Apr 2019

It is very much the case that they have been in decline for a very long time for a variety of factors. With regard to the "Esteemed" Mr. Trump it is good to remember that he is only a symptom of what has been bubbling up for ages and not the cause of most of our current ills.

AwakeAtLast

(14,124 posts)
15. When people are working two and three jobs
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:41 PM
Apr 2019

just to make ends meet, there's no time or money leftover for church.

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