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While everyone argues about whether to impeach now or later, can we all do something?
We need to help the House shift the narrative away from "Why aren't the Democrats doing more?/The Democrats are in disarray!/If the Democrats don't impeach now, they're failing the country!" blah blah blah and shift he burden onto the Republicans.
Absent in many of the these discussions is any responsibility being put on the Republicans to do the right thing. The only reason there is any hesitation or concern about timing and strategy by the Democrats is that they know that, right now, Republican Senators will not vote to convict and, therefore, even if impeachment is successful, Trump would not be removed from office.
Why aren't they being called to task?
I think we can be helpful - and do much more than just beat up on our Democratic leaders on a message board - if we start to pressure the media (social and MSM) to change their frame. And also take it upon ourselves to reach out to and hammer Republicans directly whenever the issue comes up.
Key questions:
1. Do Republicans believe that the behavior described in the Mueller Report is appropriate for a president?
2. If they don't think it's appropriate, do they think it rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor?
3. If not, why not?
4. If the House were to impeach, would they vote to remove him?
5. If not, why not? If a majority of House members find that a president has engaged in obstruction of justice and other wrongdoing, what justification do they have for keeping him in office?
This needs to be hammered and hammered and hammered every day. Republicans - and their voters - need to be softened up and not let off the hook. Stay on them. Demand they answer these questions.
And demand the press ask these questions, too.
Remind them that while Dems have a responsibility to the country to hold Trump accountable, this isn't only on them. The Republicans have just as much responsibility, if not more (because, after all, he IS their boy).
If we do this in sufficient numbers with concerted pressure, we can change the narrative AND help the Democrats move toward the impeachment we all want to see. But just complaining and criticizing them for not doing more won't cut it.
WE can do something besides wring our hands and it can make a difference. Let's do it!
manor321
(3,344 posts)We can encourage everyone to follow Warren's line.
And force a vote so Republicans have to explicitly approve of Trump's behavior.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But we don't all have to follow her line. There are many different ways to put this pressure on and it doesn't have to be done exactly as Warren is doing.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)when they disagree? Why is that going on EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE
Answer is simple, but I best leave it right there.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)The only Republicans I have seen were Gym Jordan and Mark Meadows on CNN and they had to be on together at the same time so they could shout over Cuomo.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)It's so simple too. Why won't the MSM focus on and dive into the 11 items of obstruction? Why do they refuse to investigate them further and interview people to bring them more into the light? That should be their focus. That is the story. If tRump is calling "bullshit" on the report, go out and interview the people in the report and get it from them on camera. Verify what is in the report. Do some investigative reporting, not water carrying.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Relinquishing all of our power to "the corporations" is a cop out.
Stop leaving it up to everybody else and do something yourself, damn it! (And I say that with love!)
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I'm actually going to encourage my fellow Democrats to actually do something, because I know for a fact that we can make a difference.