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spanone

(135,857 posts)
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:05 AM Apr 2019

Thank You Speaker Pelosi





pulling the U.S. out of yet another arms control treaty undermines our national security and makes for a more dangerous world. Leaving the Arms Trade Treaty that limits global trafficking in lethal weapons to get applause from the @NRA is reckless and shameful.
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Thank You Speaker Pelosi (Original Post) spanone Apr 2019 OP
I'm guessing that Trump did this on his own, watoos Apr 2019 #1
It was for applause. He couldn't care less about folks living or dying if he gets applause. spanone Apr 2019 #2
Someone threw a phone at him too oldsoftie Apr 2019 #23
So dangerous that impeachment proceedings can wait Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #3
Right? Smh. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2019 #6
Yeah, really. triron Apr 2019 #16
Exactly. Infuriating. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #25
This . . . Iliyah Apr 2019 #4
Consistently....for over 2 years no. Chin music Apr 2019 #26
Doesn't it make more sense at this point that weakening the US is the plan? rainin Apr 2019 #5
And now no one is willing to do anything about it? Very strange, indeed. triron Apr 2019 #17
It seems that part of the thing is to get us to do nothing and start focusing on an election Chin music Apr 2019 #27
He's a putin puppet and does his bidding BSdetect Apr 2019 #7
++++++++++++++++!!! 2naSalit Apr 2019 #13
Please do something about it Soxfan58 Apr 2019 #8
It's worse than frustration watoos Apr 2019 #9
I do. Chin music Apr 2019 #28
Not sure she can do anything Raven123 Apr 2019 #10
Congress has been out of session for two weeks...that's why they dropped the report when they did spanone Apr 2019 #14
Empty words. lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #11
Impeach, my lady. Don't rule out impeachment, Madame Speaker. calimary Apr 2019 #12
+1 n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #19
If Trump's actions as President so far do not merit impeachment, what does? Ligyron Apr 2019 #21
Abso.fuckin.lutely!! Duppers Apr 2019 #31
I agree 100% BigOleDummy Apr 2019 #24
And I will not, and do not, buy the argument that it will divide the country. calimary Apr 2019 #29
Very well said... BigOleDummy Apr 2019 #34
"if we let these criminals go without even TRYING to stop them" WyLoochka Apr 2019 #36
That's the question of the year, I think. calimary Apr 2019 #42
+100 Duppers Apr 2019 #30
Remedy notinkansas Apr 2019 #15
Hear! Hear! Laelth Apr 2019 #20
Yes. Thank you, Madam Speaker. n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #18
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2019 #22
All the more reason to start formal impeachment investigation hearings NOW. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #32
So...when are we going to open impeachment proceedings? n/t PatrickforO Apr 2019 #33
So impeach him. orangecrush Apr 2019 #35
talk talk talk larwdem Apr 2019 #37
I will thank her when I see indictments, public hearings, Perseus Apr 2019 #38
Do you want the American people to support the Dems. ? friend of m and j Apr 2019 #39
But when? days go by and nothing happens Perseus Apr 2019 #40
Ooooooooh...womp! Those strong words are gonna scare the crap out of tRump! Go Nancy!! DontBooVote Apr 2019 #41
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
1. I'm guessing that Trump did this on his own,
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:10 AM
Apr 2019

without consulting the Secretary of Defense (do we have one yet) or the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

spanone

(135,857 posts)
2. It was for applause. He couldn't care less about folks living or dying if he gets applause.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:12 AM
Apr 2019

...and he signed the 'executive' order on stage in from of the drooling morons

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
26. Consistently....for over 2 years no.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019

Talk about a coup. We've been coup'ed by russia with the willing aid of the rich kid.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
5. Doesn't it make more sense at this point that weakening the US is the plan?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:35 AM
Apr 2019

I've watched this unfold from the perspective very early that he was turned by Putin. Everything he does makes sense from that point of view. The electoral college allowed Putin to be elected President of the United States.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
27. It seems that part of the thing is to get us to do nothing and start focusing on an election
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:50 AM
Apr 2019

in earnest thats 2 years away, as our only real remedy. In the meantime he'll smash all the glass and when russia sends the missiles in, itll all be over, but the crying.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
7. He's a putin puppet and does his bidding
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:40 AM
Apr 2019

Expect some huge event to destroy the 2020 election.

Whether overtly or by stealth.


 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
9. It's worse than frustration
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:00 AM
Apr 2019

we are normalizing Trump's actions. Republicans and the M$M are complicit but Democrats need to make a bigger fuss, doncha think?

Raven123

(4,862 posts)
10. Not sure she can do anything
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:37 AM
Apr 2019

I read an article that indicated the Court refused to intervene when a previous POTUS pulled out of a treaty.

Making Dems position clear and focusing on the folly of Trump's decisions may be the only option.

spanone

(135,857 posts)
14. Congress has been out of session for two weeks...that's why they dropped the report when they did
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:55 AM
Apr 2019

They're back monday.

calimary

(81,415 posts)
12. Impeach, my lady. Don't rule out impeachment, Madame Speaker.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:47 AM
Apr 2019

The lawlessness of this so-called (and flagrantly illegitimate - ‘cause he CHEATED) “pResident” is out in the open.

This is out in the open. IN PLAIN SIGHT. He is OPENLY DEFYING THE LAW. Yes, I’m SHOUTING! Is it okay with you to have a “pResident” who openly DEFIES THE LAW, America? How ‘bout it, America. Is that OKAY with you?????

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
21. If Trump's actions as President so far do not merit impeachment, what does?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:10 AM
Apr 2019

How many more laws and norms does he have to violate before he's done enough Madame Speaker? Do you have some scale that measures that or is it by the number of times?

I mean, next thing you know, Trump may actually order his subordinates to ignore subpoenas and break the law. Oh, wait...

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
24. I agree 100%
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:38 AM
Apr 2019

Been a real fan of Ms. Pelosi's ….. but am mystified to put it mildly WHY she won't start Impeachment proceedings. The evidence is THERE, and so the frick what if the repuglicans howl? THEY ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYONE WITH A "D" AFTER THEIR NAME ANYWAY. The "myth" of the middle is no longer viable, its truly gotten to the point of Us versus Them.

calimary

(81,415 posts)
29. And I will not, and do not, buy the argument that it will divide the country.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:37 PM
Apr 2019

Madame Speaker, your actions on this one drive me to the question - um, what country have you been living in, in the last decade or so? Have you not seen and/or taken note of how divided we ALREADY ARE????? Hell, we’re already in a philosophical Civil War. We’ve been in one since some in this country woke up one day in late January 2009, when it finally hit them full-on in the face that there was a black guy in the Oval Office and he wasn’t the janitor.

Unfortunately that’s the new reality ALREADY.

ALREADY!!!

Impeaching this lawless lying lawless cheating lawless tyrannical lawless dictator-wannabe may not make that condition any better or any worse. But in later years, I assume you would rather stand on a record of having upheld THE LAW, and that you stood up for preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States.





Or wouldn’t you?

Because THAT’S what it’s gonna boil down to. Upholding the law, or hiding behind political expediency.

Which will it be, Madame Speaker???

And one more thing: how many Democratic and independent votes do you stand to lose because of a failure to stand on America’s most basic bedrock principles - that we DON’T have a king, and that NO ONE is above the law?

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
34. Very well said...
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 06:11 PM
Apr 2019

… and I agree 100%. We can yell and scream all day long that we're the "good guys" here, but if we let these criminals go without even TRYING to stop them just how "good" does that make us?

WyLoochka

(1,629 posts)
36. "if we let these criminals go without even TRYING to stop them"
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 09:38 PM
Apr 2019

just how "good" does that make us?"

excellent question

notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
15. Remedy
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:57 AM
Apr 2019

Madame Speaker is, of course, absolutely correct.

As Speaker, I think initiating a remedy for this fiasco is (and has been for some time) in order.

Ball is in your court, House of Representatives.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
38. I will thank her when I see indictments, public hearings,
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:18 AM
Apr 2019

the full unredacted Muller report, when I see Muller and the rest testify in public, when I see impeachment proceedings, the buffoon's tax returns, etc., when I see real action, in the mean time it is just words...ENOUGH!.

Words Words Words
I'm so sick of words
I get words all day through
First from him, now from you

Is that all you blighters can do

friend of m and j

(220 posts)
39. Do you want the American people to support the Dems. ?
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:53 AM
Apr 2019

I agree with all of you what a horrible person and a danger to our country. If Pelosii calls for a vote on impeachment next week and the House votes to impeach, what then? The Senate is not going to vote to convict Trump and the Articles of Impeachment become just a piece of paper.

The farmer in his field in Ohio or the waiter at the local diner doesn't know what the facts are that brought about the Impeachment. They may agree with the polls that show 57% of the public believe Trump lied about what's in the Mueler report, and they probably a big part of the 56% of the public don''t think the President should be impeached. They are the "silent majority".
And they are ignorant. Ignorant is not the same thing as stupid. They just have not been educated (about the facts set out in the Report).

Pelosi wants to educate them through hearings that are in process and are going to be on TV, radio, on the internet and every newspaper in the country. She is counting on that education to gain all the support she can to get Trump out of office through impeachment or the next election. (Impeachment will still be possible if the people can see how horrible and crooked Trump is and pressure 22 or so Senators to vote to impeach)

I think Trump will get us in a war, but not with foreign adversary. He will start a civil war or insurrection. Lets hope that enough of the citizenry will have been educated before that happens and a large majority (80 or 90%) will be on our side. That is the reason Nancy wants the facts revealed in a way that the facts thrown down the throats of the silent majority. Get the facts out in a way that the all of the citizenry will be aware of them. They will then be educated, not ignorant.

I wrote a piece a year so ago "From Democracy to Dictatorship". The administrators on DU sent it back to me and said they had elected not to publish it. Understandably because at that time everyone was underestimating how low Trump would stoop. Things have changed in a hurry. Now everyone is talking about Trump becoming a dictator. Lying, breaking laws, ignoring court orders, ordering subordinates to lie. When told by staff he would breaking the law his response has been "I don't care".
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Some excerpts from my article last year;
"if Democrats win the elections, “they will overturn everything that we’ve done and they’ll do it quickly and violently.” He has also said that if the Democrats impeach him there will be violence in the streets. More recently he has said he has the military, police across the country, and Trump motorcycle gangs - all of them very tough and if the deep state and Democrats attempt to remove him from office, "it wil bad, very bad, very bad".

All of the alt-right pundits, Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Lara Ingraham, Bill O'Rielly, and Roger Stone have all said we will have civil war. Roger Stone told the American public that if they didn't own a gun they needed to buy one, a semi-automatic, because we were going to have war "like we have never seen before". A conservative radio talk show host said he tells friends and family to do 2 things, vote and buy a gun. He and Alex Jones of "Info Wars" were seen at a gun range practicing "for what is to come".
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I wrote that article a long time before Trumps long time attorney and "fixer", Michel Cohen told the House Oversight Committee in his closing remarks "if the president doesn’t win re-election in 2020, there will not be a “peaceful transition of power.”


 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
40. But when? days go by and nothing happens
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:00 AM
Apr 2019

I don't see their subpoenas being answered or respected, why is it that the buffoon's tax returns have not been made public? The deadlines seem to move instead of being enforced. Where is the Muller report in its entirety? Why is it that subpoenas for Muller, Rosestein now, and more have not been issued?

All I hear from Democrats at this time is crickets, and a few blahs that won't get us anywhere. They can talk all they want, they have been threatening to do this and that but the actions are zero. I have not heard Nadler in more than a week, where is he? And now Schiff is saying "lets defeat them in 2020"??? Are you kidding me? My heart dropped when I saw Schiff saying that...The one person I thought would do something about it...very sad indeed!

If there is to be violence because of the buffoon, then let it be. He won't go silent into the night? well, let it be. The republican senators will not impeach? then ridicule them, make sure everyone knows they are traitors, marketing can sell shit balls, then sell the facts of their treason, of their contempt for the rule of law, their contempt for the well being of the citizens, their allegiance to Russia, shame the MAGA people into answering in regards to their patriotism, you can't be loyal to a man who is destroying your country, you want to make America great? then be a real patriot and understand that the person in the WH is selling your country and doesn't give a shit about it or about you.

There is so much ammunition in the hands of Democrats to do something to educate the country, to expose the corruption, why is it that nothing is happening?

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