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Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:39 PM

Mueller went to paper.

Chuck Rosenberg on Rachel characterizing mueller's reaction to barr false conclusions as "going to paper". Apparently you do that at DOJ to cover yourself if its really important and you think it could have big legal consequences later on. In my workplace, we do that via emails and technotes.

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Reply Mueller went to paper. (Original post)
drray23 Apr 2019 OP
manor321 Apr 2019 #1
SunSeeker Apr 2019 #19
MontanaMama Apr 2019 #2
drray23 Apr 2019 #3
bitterross Apr 2019 #11
TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #4
Golden Raisin Apr 2019 #6
Volaris May 2019 #23
TheBlackAdder May 2019 #30
a kennedy Apr 2019 #5
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #16
pnwmom May 2019 #20
pangaia May 2019 #21
MelissaB Apr 2019 #7
drray23 Apr 2019 #8
Hoyt Apr 2019 #9
drray23 Apr 2019 #10
Volaris May 2019 #24
happybird May 2019 #26
spanone Apr 2019 #12
Ilsa Apr 2019 #13
3catwoman3 Apr 2019 #14
KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2019 #15
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #17
triron Apr 2019 #18
OnDoutside May 2019 #28
Skittles May 2019 #22
Wounded Bear May 2019 #25
brush May 2019 #27
OnDoutside May 2019 #29

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:44 PM

1. I was giggling when he said that

 



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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:59 PM

19. Me too. Made me think toilet paper, as in they shit themselves.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:45 PM

2. Wasn't that something

to hear Chuck say that?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:47 PM

3. At this stage I dont see how Barr can survive this.

He may even use his law license. I wonder if he has still enough integrity left to just resign or just be shameless like his boss donald.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:13 PM

11. The Trump admin is very slimey. I'm not holding out for proper actions now.

 

Trump should have been long gone by now. We'll just have to wait and see on Barr.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:53 PM

4. In private business it's called, leaving a paper trail.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:00 PM

6. Or (a little bit dated), a "memo to the file".

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #4)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:43 AM

23. And now it's all done with CC'd emails...

So that whoevers dick is in the ringer can know that everyone else knows they fucked something up, so that everyone else can play CYA.

I get it, but in it's own way (and at it's worst) it's shady as shit. It's the email version of passing the buck in order to prove that 'this is someone else's fault'.



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Response to Volaris (Reply #23)

Wed May 1, 2019, 11:46 AM

30. I've seen countless times where a paper trail saved someone from getting fucked over.

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I've had people give me verbal instructions and when things turned to shit, lied right to my face, denying it.

Luckily, my immediate manager or other co-workers would be around to act as witnesses.


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If you are doing things above board, there should be no worry over a paper trail. It works both ways, as a manager could give instruction A to a subordinate and then the subordinate does action B and claims they were told differently.


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We see in this administration, everyone lies out their ass and has no problems throwing others under the bus.

When you have Libertarian or scummy managers, they are self-affecting, and will act in a similar manner.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:54 PM

5. I love Chuck Rosenberg.....

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:48 PM

16. Brian Williams just said he has a podcast now.

I love his calm, soothing voice. I need him to talk me off a ledge during this nightmare.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #5)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:03 AM

20. That voice. Something about it is so calming. n/t

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:14 PM

7. Video:

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:19 PM

8. You dont go to paper lightly.

Said Rosenberg. This is probably on the same footing as a triple dog dare you.🐕🐕🐕

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:20 PM

9. It would have been better if he had gone to House committees or even media.

 

But, Iím hopeful heíll set things straight shortly.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:21 PM

10. Yes and done it the day Barr released his misleading report.

This could have limited the damage . Letting it stand for nearly a month allowed barr to taint the public.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #10)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:48 AM

24. It also allowed him to outright lie to congress under oath.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #10)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:29 AM

26. He wrote it a couple days after Barr's bs summary was released

We are just hearing about it now, but I'm sure Congress and everyone at DOJ and the WH have all been aware of the letter since the day Mueller sent it.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:15 PM

12. Rosenberg also said 'going to paper' was so History gets it right

(paraphrasing...)

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:28 PM

13. Or as Biden would say,

"This is a big fucking deal."

So glad Rosenberg was on tonight to clue us in to why this is so important.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:40 PM

14. You could feel the sadness and disillusionment...

...emanating from Mr. Rosenberg tonight.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:41 PM

15. Going to paper puts it out into the sunshine.

Keeping it in-house in DOJ at this time makes it subject to a shredder and the sender's retirement subject to the axe.

Sad times in that regard.......

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:50 PM

17. They all do that and that is when people are screaming about their strongly worded letters. Those

 

letters are critical, procedure and will endure.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:51 PM

18. Yep bet Rosenberg knows what he's talking about.

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Response to triron (Reply #18)

Wed May 1, 2019, 02:52 AM

28. I'm sure his resignation is a complete coinkydink.....

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:34 AM

22. sounds like Mueller has had enough

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 12:56 AM

25. Trump hates that...

all those guys taking notes and writing memos.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 01:59 AM

27. It keeps amazing me that these allegedly smart guys keep doing dumb things.

Barr lied blatantly to Congress by saying he didn't know if Mueller supported his conclusion (that trump was exonerated).

When he did that he had already recieved Mueller's letter and phone call disagreeing with his conclusion. You would think he had to know that that letter/phone call was going to be found out.

What the fuck? Maybe he thought he could keep it hidden. And he's been around DC for years and should know how the leak game works.

The fat dummy needs to resign asap.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 02:53 AM

29. It sounded like Barr is getting ahead of the story by leaking

Mueller's letter. There's a pattern.

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