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An Insurance Company Denied a Life-Saving Treatment. A Judge Just Called It An Immoral Decision.
In a stunning court filing, U.S. District Judge Robert N. Scola Jr. made it very clear how he felt about United Healthcare.
Abigail Weinberg
When a personal injury attorney had to pay $85,000 out of pocket for a life-saving prostate cancer treatment, he filed a class-action lawsuit against his insurer, United Healthcare. On Monday, the judge assigned to hear the case recused himself: not only had he been recommended the same treatment for his own prostate cancer, but a friend of his had paid $150,000 for the treatment when United Healthcare denied him coverage.
Proton beam radiation therapy has been an accepted cancer treatment method since the 1980s, according to the Washington Post, but United Healthcare denied the treatment to Miami-based attorney Richard Cole on the grounds that it was experimental, Cole said. Although Cole was able to afford his medical care, he filed the lawsuit on behalf of the potentially thousands of others who had been denied treatment as well.
On Monday, U.S. District Judge Robert N. Scola Jr. recused himself from the case because he felt that his personal experiences with prostate cancer prevented him from viewing the situation impartially. He wrote in his order of recusal that although he opted for surgery rather than radiation therapy, medical experts positive opinions toward radiation still resonated with him. (Coles case has been reassigned to another judge.)
Two other judges had previously recused themselves, saying they knew Cole too well to judge his case fairly.
Scola wrote in his recusal letter that a very close friend of his was diagnosed with cancer in 2015 and that United Healthcare had refused to pay for his proton radiation treatment. Fortunately, he had the resources to pay $150,000 for the treatment, and only upon threat of litigation did United Healthcare agree to reimburse him, he wrote.
The judge went on to rebuke the insurance company for denying patients care.
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/05/united-healthcare-immoral-barbaric/
marble falls
(57,063 posts)of health care I get.
IronLionZion
(45,409 posts)I've heard the same from most veterans I know. They mostly like it.
Republicans keep on spewing complaints about the VA's problems as why we shouldn't have single payer.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)to privatize the VA not because of any altruistic desire improve the lot of Vets. Their interest really isn't about the level of care for vets. Their interest is skimming the top of the billions well spent on vets.
pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)when the people in charge of approving changes to drug formularies do not know that albuterol (not covered by their formulary) is the same as albuterol sulfate. which is covered by their formulary. I spent almost an hour on the phone with my insurance company representative and the result was that I had to file formulary exception paperwork to get my asthma medication covered. The people they hire apparently have little to no education/ experience in working with the departments they are hired to oversee. In this case, they apparently did not have a Physician's Desk Reference available to their employees either.
stevesinpa
(143 posts)the insurance plan is to provide as little help as possible. they want their customers to get frustrated and give up.
unblock
(52,178 posts)from an insurance perspective, it's all about which drug companies they have better pricing contracts with.
i've had insurance companies tell me my preferred med was non-fomulary, so i had to switch to a competitor's similar medication.
the next year, they told me the exact opposite, and i had to switch back.
such things are clearly not medical decisions, though obviously the have a medical impact on patients.
chemically, albuterol and albuterol sulfate are not the same thing.
albuterol is c13h21no3
albuterol sulfate is (c13h21no3)2so4
but insurance companies don't care about that, or any medical difference, they just want to steer you to the whatever is cheaper for them.
hunter
(38,309 posts)... and thus presumably cheaper for the customer.
Instead health insurance companies seem to be maximizing the flow of money they control.
The more money they control, the more they can siphon off for things like outrageous CEO incomes and private jets.
It's not exactly bribes and kickbacks within the system (although some of that probably exists) it's not exactly collusion with other health insurance companies or the pharmaceutical industry (although some of that probably exists) it's mostly that the business isn't transparent, and the various insurance companies are semi-monopolistic in their structure.
Our insurance company doesn't seem to be using the least expensive drugs from what I see of prices in Canada, Mexico, or other nations, or even based on the prices drug companies charge the VA. Our "copays" often seem to be similar to the true market price of the drug.
unblock
(52,178 posts)correct, a lower-cost deal for them is not the only way to make more profit.
and yeah, you're right about copays. i have a migraine medication that insurance covers at 50% after i've hit my insanely high deductible. but the "retail" price is now double what it was a few years ago (it doubled after a generic became available -- ) so now i pay, *after* i hit my deductible, about 100% of the price i would have paid a few years ago without any insurance at all....
pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)The generic is listed as albuterol (albuterol sulfate) on the inhaler pharmacy label. The pharmacy billed the inhaler as albuterol which the insurance would not cover. However, if they had billed it as Ventolin, it would have been covered. I had my pharmacy place a note for their billing department that from now on they needed to bill it as Ventolin.
unblock
(52,178 posts)when they'll cover the brand name but not the generic....
pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)ck4829
(35,041 posts)appalachiablue
(41,113 posts)with Medicare4All. Canada's universal Medicare began in the 1960s, and the opposition then by insurance cos. and pharma was the same.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)"Thank God he doesn't have the Government between him and his Doctor"
Everyone arguing against Government involvement in health care must have much better luck with their insurance than I do. We have some of the best coverage money can buy and I still end up yelling into the phone several times a year.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)In Canada, the federal government makes payments to the individual provinces and territories. The provinces' health ministries manage those monies. Your doctor and you make the decision about treatment. Your doctor bills the health ministry. You never see the bill.
Now, not everything is covered. Drugs for those under 65, dentistry, physiotherapy, eye care, in fact pretty much everything that doesn't take place in hospital. But supplemental insurance which does cover those things is a benefit for full-time employees (and some part-time ones too), and if you are unemployed or have taken early retirement, you can generally afford supplemental insurance (usually around $200-$225/per month). Disabled folks receive a monthly income. Children who must spend their lives in institutional care are covered. I know several retirees who do not bother with supplemental insurance. because they know that if they get cancer, or suffer heart attack or stroke, or require joint replacement surgery, or simply have a health checkup yearly (or more often if necessary), or land in hospital for any length of time, THEY ARE COVERED.
Companies which provide supplemental insurance are thriving!
And yes, when Premier Tommy Douglas (Kiefer Sutherland's grandfather) brought in medicare in Saskatchewan in 1963, the docs went on strike for a month or so, and there was the expected protest from insurance companies. But the vast majority in the province thought it was a GREAT idea. The docs went back to work, and the insurance companies adapted. And medicare for all soon expanded to include the entire country.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sounds like this man was rejected to die without this treatment, instead of having a comparable treatment available for which both the benefits and risks are much better understood, not just in themselves generally but in very great detail that is applied to individual cases.
PBT is an accepted treatment but not necessarily one most urologists feel comfortable recommending at this point. Remember, following one treatment course means not benefiting from another. Most feel the treatment with the best proven efficacy for the individual case is the one that should be used.
Last I heard, which admittedly was not recently, the very small percentage of patients who have gotten PBT therapy instead of almost all with IMRT have shown some indications of additional benefit, but not necessarily sustained, longer term effects of using protons are still to be determined, and patients have tended to be younger and more affluent, factors in results not adequately adjusted for. Yet.
More study and probably technical development needed.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)The goal of the health insurance plans is to pay as little as possible. A personal anecdote to illustrate the point.
Ive got a whole host of medical eye problems, Ive had a few eye surgeries, and see an ophthalmologist (MD) several times a decade. I generally dont bother with optometrists (OD), because a lot of them dont really know what to do for my visual peculiarities. Anyway, the full medical eye exam includes refraction (getting an eyeglasses prescription), and even though its coded as a medical exam and not optometry, I always have to fight to get the medical insurance to cover that part.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)dlk
(11,540 posts)Profit-based insurance companies, with their daily decisions that literally mean life and death for their customers, are the true death panels.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Shouldnt it be?
area51
(11,902 posts)ck4829
(35,041 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)referred me to another doctor to see if the pain could be managed. She did for about 2 years, after than nothing worked, I was using 2 canes and could barely walk. My insurance company at the time refused to allow a back fusion surgery she said I needed ASAP. She had me call them and then she took the phone, she told them she was a Harvard educated physician and asked the person from the insurance company what type of medical qualifications they had, when they said none, she said fine, you are practicing medicine without a license. The following day I was approved and in the hospital awaiting a fusion that changed my life. I have had 12 years of a decent quality of life.
Insurance companies are a plague on society.
babylonsister
(171,049 posts)going to bat for you! And I'm glad the surgery was approved and helped you so much.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)assist the surgeon putting a stent in my leg. the stent failed in 6 months.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)have determined other radiation treatment is just as good for prostate cancer.
They do seem to cover it most often for cancer in children to avoid harming other tissue and minimize long term side effects.
Literature does show increasing coverage in these countries. But, the truth is, these countries do limit care to make universal coverage affordable. Dont see that working here because people dont like to be told No, even when its for good of society.
Heres one link. Sorry, Im on phone and its tough to link to everything out there.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/07/16020_FINAL.pdf