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NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:45 PM May 2019

TPM - Marshall "This is An Insanely Big Deal" (re ghouliani)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/this-is-an-insanely-big-deal

By Josh Marshall
May 3, 2019 12:28 pm
I need to return to the fact that the country’s biggest paper reported this week that the President’s personal lawyer is conducting unofficial diplomacy abroad, apparently mixed with his own private business and investments, in which he offers friendly treatment from the President of the United States in exchange for those governments targeting the President’s political enemies. This was reported and it wasn’t the biggest story of the week. This is a far, far bigger deal than any other fears about future tampering in a US presidential election using Facebook ads. The stakes are much higher, the danger much greater, when the colluding candidate is also the President of the United States.

This is a classic case of refighting the last (2016) war, while the President is already on to entirely new kinds of corruption and bad acting made possible by holding the presidential bundle of powers.

In this particular case it’s Rudy Giuliani with the now-outgoing government of Ukraine and Joe Biden and his son. But while representing the President in the Mueller probe, Giuliani has not only worked on behalf of an exile Iranian extremist group, every few weeks we find out he’s visiting another foreign capital and holding meetings with the government or major oligarchs in those countries.

Usually, this only crops up or we only find out because it appears in the local press. Here’s just one podcast episode and brief write up about some of these trips. Here’s a less probing but still interesting Times write up. Here’s a story about a Ukrainian mogul investigated by Robert Mueller was a client of Giuliani’s.

It’s a given that this stuff is all sleazy, Giuliani making millions trading on his role as the President’s close advisor and personal lawyer. As long as it’s just sleaze and buck-raking it doesn’t matter that much to me. We’ve got much bigger things to worry about. But this effort to get the government of Ukraine to whip up investigations into Biden is clear evidence that it’s not just that. It is almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg.

This requires tons more attention.

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TPM - Marshall "This is An Insanely Big Deal" (re ghouliani) (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal May 2019 OP
K&R... spanone May 2019 #1
K & R malaise May 2019 #2
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker May 2019 #3
Kicked and recommended WheelWalker May 2019 #4
KR JDC May 2019 #5
So that's why he disappears for weeks at a time... Wounded Bear May 2019 #6
What deals is this guy making? What's the quid pro quo? FakeNoose May 2019 #7
K&R UTUSN May 2019 #8
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow May 2019 #9
When do the "plausible deniability" assassinations by shadowy foreign or domestic agents begin here? NBachers May 2019 #10
Too damn easy to imagine a meeting about doing this suffragette May 2019 #11
Trump's Tsunami of corruption, criminality and treason is overwhelming sop May 2019 #12
He's probably shaking down countries into helping him duforsure May 2019 #13
Ghouliani has no soul. At all. Evolve Dammit May 2019 #14
That's what happens when you go corrupt and dirty. I bet he went all bad after 2008, after he UniteFightBack May 2019 #25
K&R dchill May 2019 #15
This needs to be blown up in their faces... SergeStorms May 2019 #16
K/R BadgerMom May 2019 #17
Morning kick Arazi May 2019 #18
K&R. KPN May 2019 #19
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 May 2019 #20
k&r n/t Laelth May 2019 #21
It is an "insanely big deal" NastyRiffraff May 2019 #22
So trump, who got into office with the help of a foreign power, is doing the same thing now dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #29
Not only an insanely big deal but . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #23
tRumpCo is held to a completely different standard than virtually anyone else Blue Owl May 2019 #24
Can the next Justice Dept look into all this? nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #26
There's only one solution for all of this... NurseJackie May 2019 #27
KICK orangecrush May 2019 #28
knr Baltimike May 2019 #30

FakeNoose

(32,584 posts)
7. What deals is this guy making? What's the quid pro quo?
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:36 PM
May 2019

This is insane, but I don't think anybody is surprised by it.



suffragette

(12,232 posts)
11. Too damn easy to imagine a meeting about doing this
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:47 PM
May 2019

Trump and his cronies love to accuse opponents of what they do themselves. So now they are testing out accusations of conspiring with foreign governments on political opposition.

They are blatant about committing nefarious acts in plain view, in part because they keep getting away with it.

sop

(10,102 posts)
12. Trump's Tsunami of corruption, criminality and treason is overwhelming
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:51 PM
May 2019

No one seems capable of holding this man accountable for anything; not Congress, the courts, independent Counsels, the press or any other institution. It doesn't seem possible a president could act with such impunity, and in full view. Trump has apparently won. The rule of law is dead.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
13. He's probably shaking down countries into helping him
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:54 PM
May 2019

Win again, and probably demanding money for his PAC, and he would repay them by giving them a promise, a common tactic he uses.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
25. That's what happens when you go corrupt and dirty. I bet he went all bad after 2008, after he
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:37 PM
May 2019

lost that primary hope.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
16. This needs to be blown up in their faces...
Fri May 3, 2019, 10:40 PM
May 2019

before they blow it up in Democrats' faces in the coming 18 months. This would be an excellent story for Rachel to delve into.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
22. It is an "insanely big deal"
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:39 PM
May 2019

And I wonder why it's not more widely reported. Is what Giulliani is doing even legal? It looks like, at a minimum, bribery or quid pro quo.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. So trump, who got into office with the help of a foreign power, is doing the same thing now
Sat May 4, 2019, 03:47 PM
May 2019

but using ghoulini instead of Dumbo Jr.

Brass balls indeed.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
23. Not only an insanely big deal but . . .
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:45 PM
May 2019

it should scare the bejesus out of everyone. There is a criminal enterprise leading this country with global connections, otherwise known as a crime syndicate.

These people must be removed, permanently. Our national survival and future depend on it!

Blue Owl

(50,260 posts)
24. tRumpCo is held to a completely different standard than virtually anyone else
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:34 PM
May 2019

And it fucking sucks for this country's well-being...

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