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Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:29 PM May 2019

Everything really may boil down to Muellers patriotism.

With it looking like Rosenstein has gone to the dark side.
With it looking like McGahn won’t be allowed to testify.
With it looking like we will never see the fully unredacted report.

It may just come down to Mueller.
Whether it’s while he still works for the DOJ or after he leaves it, his testimony is crucial.
It must be before live tv cameras.
It must be done with probing questions and follow up questions about Barr, Rosenstein, and anyone else who tried to influence the stoppage, spin, or outright lies about what is in the report both before and after it came out.

The key then becomes whether or not Mueller believes he should spill every bean or if he will just be a good soldier that gives minimalist answers.
The only thing at risk might just be our Democratic Republic.

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Everything really may boil down to Muellers patriotism. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy May 2019 OP
Has nothing to do with that, he will be prevented from testifying which I am certain he wants to do Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #1
Once he leaves the DOJ, He can voluntarily testify. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #2
But not about many things most of which will be the case. Nah, we are fucked unless we UNITE Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #20
How do you know he wants to testify? nt Nuggets May 2019 #3
He could do an interview tonight if he wanted to set record straight. Hoyt May 2019 #5
That would be a strategic mistake. He needs his first appearance to be before the House pnwmom May 2019 #23
Right now he's being bashed by folks for playing along with trump, Barr, Hoyt May 2019 #24
I would expect trumpsters to wait for some last moment and oppose Mueller's appearance. empedocles May 2019 #14
Mueller is apolitical but also very professional. BigmanPigman May 2019 #4
Nothing professional about beating around the bush with something Hoyt May 2019 #7
Didn't realize Mueller's heroics watoos May 2019 #9
This is nonsense. There will be witnesses who are in the report manor321 May 2019 #6
Exactly call all the witnesses. McGhan doesn't work in the white house anymore. blueinredohio May 2019 #15
Yep, and get going. The thugs have already burned down 21.2% of the clock. ooky May 2019 #21
Mueller already retired from the FBI once, I don't think it's a question of his pension FakeNoose May 2019 #8
Kerry spoke up against the atrocities. Mueller just participated in killing innocent Hoyt May 2019 #10
Are you implying Mueller engaged in war crimes? PragmaticLiberal May 2019 #11
He was a good soldier, followed orders, never asked if it was right Hoyt May 2019 #12
My bad... PragmaticLiberal May 2019 #13
I hear you but ... FakeNoose May 2019 #18
I thought so too when I first heard about the 27th letter. But, when I read it, I saw Mueller Hoyt May 2019 #19
A little voice keeps saying, "don't put all your eggs in one basket"... kentuck May 2019 #16
That is my thought. Blue_true May 2019 #17
We're counting on the same FBI who wiretapped and conducted illegal break-ins to save our republic? TeamPooka May 2019 #22

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
20. But not about many things most of which will be the case. Nah, we are fucked unless we UNITE
Sat May 4, 2019, 12:42 PM
May 2019

behind ONE candidate and take back the WH

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. He could do an interview tonight if he wanted to set record straight.
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:47 PM
May 2019

What are they going to do, fire him.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
23. That would be a strategic mistake. He needs his first appearance to be before the House
Sat May 4, 2019, 12:55 PM
May 2019

or he will be accused of just seeking media attention.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Right now he's being bashed by folks for playing along with trump, Barr,
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:02 PM
May 2019

Rosenstein, etc.

I'd love to see him seek some media attention to set the record straight.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
14. I would expect trumpsters to wait for some last moment and oppose Mueller's appearance.
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:00 PM
May 2019

Their modus is delay. Whether 'cons can legally do so, is another question. If necessary, they go to court, anyone can - and more delay.

[On a more positive side, Mueller and the Dems have considered this possibility].

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
4. Mueller is apolitical but also very professional.
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:46 PM
May 2019

Don't put too much hope in his telling us everything we want to hear. Harry Litman knows these people and last night he said that Mueller probably wants to tell everything and do more but due to his "by the book" professionalism he may not be able to do that. There are limits and security issues that he is well aware of. This is his life's work and he will be seen/viewed in history for this and his role so he will be very smart and will handle things from this perspective.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Nothing professional about beating around the bush with something
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:50 PM
May 2019

as important as his investigation.

Maybe he should have learned from a real Vietnam hero, John Kerry.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
9. Didn't realize Mueller's heroics
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:11 PM
May 2019

In Nam were a lie, interesting.

Seems to me that Mueller gave Dems plenty of evidence for impeachment. Don’t forget Barr hasn’t released all of the report. Barr hasn’t released the grand jury testimony where all the dirt is.
Mueller got the information, Dems are the one’s beating around the bush getting the information they deserve. Dems will never get Mueller’s information because they won’t hold impeachment hearings

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. This is nonsense. There will be witnesses who are in the report
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019

We already have the main testimony from Mueller. It is in his report. The big extra thing he can add is to describe his conflict with Barr.

The witnesses are important: McGahn and his assistant, Lewandowski, etc.

Even without any of that, we already have enough for impeachment.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
15. Exactly call all the witnesses. McGhan doesn't work in the white house anymore.
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:30 PM
May 2019

He could come forward as s private citizen and be our saving grace. I'm not holding my breath but it could happen.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
8. Mueller already retired from the FBI once, I don't think it's a question of his pension
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:50 PM
May 2019

He (should) already have full pension, am I right? He could quit today and lose nothing, but gain the ability to testify on all the great work he's done for the last 2 years.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Kerry spoke up against the atrocities. Mueller just participated in killing innocent
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:29 PM
May 2019

Asians like a good soldier. I’ll choose Kerry any day.

So far, Mueller has give GOPers and trump’s what they needed. Will he come around in the next week or so? I hope, but won’t bet on it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. He was a good soldier, followed orders, never asked if it was right
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:46 PM
May 2019

to kill innocent, outgunned Asians. Is that clear enough for you?

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
18. I hear you but ...
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

... right now it seems that Mueller has -zero- interest in playing politics. I think he's really, REALLY annoyed with Bill Barr and we're going to hear about it next week. How can he have any interest in "saving" the Republican Party now?

I don't think Mueller wants to be a good soldier any more, but maybe I'm missing something.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. I thought so too when I first heard about the 27th letter. But, when I read it, I saw Mueller
Fri May 3, 2019, 09:27 PM
May 2019

was just concerned the 4 page Barr summary wasn't enough. Now that the summaries and the redacted report has been released, Mueller has been quiet.

I hope you are right, but Mueller needs to talk very directly so that ignorant white wingers have a hard time saying, "No collusion/conspiracy, no obstruction" when he's through.

We'll know in a week or two. I'll keep hoping.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
16. A little voice keeps saying, "don't put all your eggs in one basket"...
Fri May 3, 2019, 07:39 PM
May 2019

Although my most sincere hope is that he will stand up for our country over the autocratic dictator wannabe.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. That is my thought.
Fri May 3, 2019, 08:11 PM
May 2019

Will Mueller prefer to go down in history as a John Dean and an Alexander Butterfield, or an H.R. Halderman, Howard Colson, John Mitchell.

TeamPooka

(24,221 posts)
22. We're counting on the same FBI who wiretapped and conducted illegal break-ins to save our republic?
Sat May 4, 2019, 12:55 PM
May 2019

Good luck with that.
and yeah they did everything I said they did to try and catch The Weathermen back in the 60s and 70s.
They failed at that too.

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