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kentuck

(111,056 posts)
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:07 PM May 2019

I don't think we should put too many chips on Robert Mueller.

I do not think he will try to discredit Bill Barr in any way.

He will say that it was Bill Barr's decision to make, whether or not he agreed with him. That was how the Special Counsel law was written.

He will say that Congress has their rights and responsibilities delineated by the Constitution.

He will admit thst we were attacked by Russia in a "sweeping and systematic fashion".

He will say he called them the way he saw them.

He will not tell the Congress what he thinks they should do.

He will be a very cautious and careful witness.

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I don't think we should put too many chips on Robert Mueller. (Original Post) kentuck May 2019 OP
Never bet on a rethuglicon. democratisphere May 2019 #1
More like, never bet on the rare ethical Republican to do something awesome but unprofessional. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh May 2019 #25
True but DownriverDem May 2019 #27
He's under oath and he "went to paper" manor321 May 2019 #2
He will repeatedly say "I can't answer that question because........." enough May 2019 #20
His credibility will be on the line... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #3
OF course. On the other hand, he could have said I've said all I have to say in the report. Ninga May 2019 #4
Yes he is COMPLETELY by the book guy Funtatlaguy May 2019 #5
I will never count on any republican to do anything good for the country. Ever. onecaliberal May 2019 #6
I learned that lesson years ago while as a college student Blue_true May 2019 #11
Sadly, I agree elfin May 2019 #7
I think you are right. Your points are very clear. delisen May 2019 #8
Exactly. Everyone will know the truth whether he KPN May 2019 #29
I'm 100% sure Mueller things we will have free and fair elections in 2020 uponit7771 May 2019 #9
Kinda late for that pintobean May 2019 #10
Yup. He will equivocate and dodge and refuse to take any shots at Trump Azathoth May 2019 #12
The GOP already knows what he will say DUgosh May 2019 #13
The Democratic members of the Committee luvtheGWN May 2019 #22
I don't know. He wouldn't have written two letters to Barr if he... brush May 2019 #14
But maybe, they can get at the redacted information in an effort to pnwest May 2019 #15
Not a chance FBaggins May 2019 #28
Mueller did what he could do with 'the Report' and his contribution is very empedocles May 2019 #16
I would bet the farm Liberalhammer May 2019 #17
I may have missed it but in the various news items Golden Raisin May 2019 #18
I agree unfortunately and have had that thought all along. PufPuf23 May 2019 #19
Correct Liberalhammer May 2019 #21
--- only hope is if he's REALLY pissed at Barr. 3Hotdogs May 2019 #23
Then what's the point of his showing up at all? I can't square this with his letter to Barr. ancianita May 2019 #24
Mueller is a Company Man and Good Soldier. He's no John Kerry when it comes to outing atrocities. Hoyt May 2019 #26
Sadly I feel you're right... Catch2.2 May 2019 #30
Partially agree partial don't...once tRUMP is out of office the State of NY will go after him bigly. SayItLoud May 2019 #32
Yeah... Catch2.2 May 2019 #40
If tRUMP and the Oral Office and Barr don't scream bloody hell trying to SayItLoud May 2019 #31
Contrary to most republicans patphil May 2019 #33
Overnight, Mueller went from Enemy #1 due to his Iraq War involvement to Saint. MadDAsHell May 2019 #34
Recommended. H2O Man May 2019 #35
I hope so... kentuck May 2019 #36
You are probably correct. gldstwmn May 2019 #37
He is still employed by The DOJ sellitman May 2019 #38
Then, Jesus Christ!! Why wouldn't he just resign, testify and SAVE THIS COUNTRY??!!! ElementaryPenguin May 2019 #39
He is a Republican deep down sellitman May 2019 #41
He is also a law and order person... kentuck May 2019 #42
You are correct. He will follow his bosses orders sellitman May 2019 #43
I am hoping that he sees another way. kentuck May 2019 #44
I agree!!! mfcorey1 May 2019 #45

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
27. True but
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:42 PM
May 2019

Sen. McCain was & Justice John Roberts is a repub and they saved ObamaCare. Mueller could very well be looking at how he will be perceived by History. That would be a good thing for our country.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. He's under oath and he "went to paper"
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:12 PM
May 2019

He's going to have to truthfully answer questions, even if he doesn't want to. It's not a press conference.

But it is true that we need to also move on to McGahn and others.

Ninga

(8,273 posts)
4. OF course. On the other hand, he could have said I've said all I have to say in the report.
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:13 PM
May 2019

I hold no hope what Mueller answers will dramatically change the course the Dems are pursuing.

Hope has been dashed too many times. I am battle weary.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I learned that lesson years ago while as a college student
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:27 PM
May 2019

I voted for someone who I thought was a forward looking republican. As her party changed, she became more and more a knuckledragger.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
8. I think you are right. Your points are very clear.
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:21 PM
May 2019

Also think that if Mueller is clear and concise in making those statements, they will be useful in making clear to others that we have been attacked by Russia and what our options are right now and moving forward.

KPN

(15,638 posts)
29. Exactly. Everyone will know the truth whether he
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:49 PM
May 2019

states it or not. The RE propaganda machine will go into triple time efforts to obfuscate, confuse and convince the public that by not saying the campaign collided and the President obstructed he is saying that neither of those two things happened. But everyone in DC will know, and all of us will know. It will be up to the House to dig deeper.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
12. Yup. He will equivocate and dodge and refuse to take any shots at Trump
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:30 PM
May 2019

His fundamental message will be "The report speaks for itself, draw your own conclusions."

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
22. The Democratic members of the Committee
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:21 PM
May 2019

will need to be very, very careful about the questions they plan to ask. I've no doubt they are working on that very studiously. Fortunately there are several members intimately acquainted with courtroom procedures and, as every very good lawyer knows -- only ask the questions which will elicit the responses you want (or at least know to be the truth).

brush

(53,743 posts)
14. I don't know. He wouldn't have written two letters to Barr if he...
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

was in total agreement with his four-page summary, roll out of the report and lying and stonewalling Congress.

IMO what questions come from the committee members and the answers elicited is what will be relevant. There are ways to get at information, and I don't think Mueller will lie under questioning like Barr did.

But we shall see if he's more loyal to Barr and trump or the country.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
15. But maybe, they can get at the redacted information in an effort to
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

get it out to the public. THAT'S my hope. Then once that information is out in the world, it can be acted upon.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
28. Not a chance
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:43 PM
May 2019

He might agree to discuss some of it in closed session, but he wouldn’t answer those questions on TV.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
16. Mueller did what he could do with 'the Report' and his contribution is very
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:40 PM
May 2019

substantial and useful. Mueller seems to have signaled he can do more.

Give him credit for what he has done. This short term adorning him with black hat now, short term before was a white hat. This repeating this black hat/white hat cycle over and over does not do justice to his work.

Mueller will be Mueller.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
17. I would bet the farm
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

That Mueller supports Trumps domestic agenda 100%. We've seen it before with every other Republican. In the end they all fall in line.

It's the party of TRUMP. Conservatives and Republicans are a lost cause.

I never trusted Mueller or any of them. Period!

They are an enemy to this Democratic republic, the more of us whom realize this fact, the better off we'll be.

The only hope and trust is in those who resist and fight back.

The old rules are dead, until the beast is slain.

Know your enemy.

Golden Raisin

(4,605 posts)
18. I may have missed it but in the various news items
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:57 PM
May 2019

I've read saying that Mueller's session is tentatively set for May 15th I've seen no specific mention of whether it will be public or closed. Anyone know about that?

PufPuf23

(8,756 posts)
19. I agree unfortunately and have had that thought all along.
Sun May 5, 2019, 12:59 PM
May 2019

Quite unfortunate.

I have pondered why so many put so much faith in Mueller. Mueller is not a Trump-cultist (and is probably troubled and embarrassed by Trump) but he is GOP.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
21. Correct
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:16 PM
May 2019

Flake, Hatch, Collins, McCain for the most part all voted in lock step because Trump pushed their corporate agenda. Which strengthened Trump. From legislation to packing the courts.

Republicans can no longer be trusted to protect The country and they do not serve the constitution.

3Hotdogs

(12,332 posts)
23. --- only hope is if he's REALLY pissed at Barr.
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:22 PM
May 2019

Beyond that, expect as much as we got from Fitzmas. Who remembers that?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Mueller is a Company Man and Good Soldier. He's no John Kerry when it comes to outing atrocities.
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:39 PM
May 2019

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
30. Sadly I feel you're right...
Sun May 5, 2019, 01:51 PM
May 2019

Tbh, I feel the Dems won't/can't do anything. Trump will serve out the remainder of his presidency. If we are fortunate enough to elect someone else in 2020, the sentiment will be to not focus on Trump, but to look to the future. Investigations into him will cease, and Trump will have gotten away with everything. Worse, this will now let the Republicans know they can get away with anything.

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
32. Partially agree partial don't...once tRUMP is out of office the State of NY will go after him bigly.
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:17 PM
May 2019

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
31. If tRUMP and the Oral Office and Barr don't scream bloody hell trying to
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:16 PM
May 2019

stop Mueller then we know THEY KNOW that Mueller will deflect, and protect his report and give us nothing but give tRUMP more ammo .

patphil

(6,150 posts)
33. Contrary to most republicans
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:28 PM
May 2019

Mr. Mueller is honest and ethical.
He will not lie to the House.
He may not answer every question, but the answers he does give will be truthful.
He is also a true patriot.
He knows what is going on, and how Barr grossly distorted Mueller's report.
I expect there will be some interesting answers.
Also, I think the committee may phrase some questions to allow Mueller to say what he feels about the process, and what was really learned; including perhaps things that were not actually in the report but pertain to the situation.
Such as the subject matter of the 12 criminal referrals that we know nothing about.
Not the content, mind you, but the situations that lead to these referrals.

Patrick Phillips

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
34. Overnight, Mueller went from Enemy #1 due to his Iraq War involvement to Saint.
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:28 PM
May 2019

There is of course incentive to put a lot of faith in him because of his role in this investigation but I always thought that faith was unfounded. Would we trust Drumpf if he all the sudden claimed to be a Democrat? If not, then why was Mueller, a known war criminal, granted sainthood the second he was heading up this investigation?

I don't grant war criminals immunity just because they may happen to think/say the occasional negative thing about Drumpf, and neither should anyone else on DU, IMO.

H2O Man

(73,511 posts)
35. Recommended.
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:34 PM
May 2019

I think that he will be of interest in the public hearing. I'm not disagreeing with anything you said here, but I do think he will speak about why his team prepared specific parts of the report to be made public immediately. I agree that he won't publicly attack Barr, but I am confident that he will accurately define their differences of opinion. He will also explain why the team's approach on obstruction did not, from the get-go, attempt to decide if there was adequate cause for indictment, were Trump not president.

Mr. Mueller -- for good or for bad -- has always taken a rather black and white approach to determining if someone has committed a crime. I'm confident it will be "for better" for us when he testifies.

Very good OP, and interesting discussion that follows.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
36. I hope so...
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:45 PM
May 2019

...that Mueller will show the courage to tell all, and it doesn't matter, at this time, whether it is in public or private session. Will he be inclined to say more in a private setting?

If he testifies, I think it will be a good thing.

Unfortunately, Trump has just tweeted that he doesn't think Mueller should testify at all. After all the money spent and all the interviews, it is time to end it. That is the message that the airwaves are more likely to carry, in my opinion.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
39. Then, Jesus Christ!! Why wouldn't he just resign, testify and SAVE THIS COUNTRY??!!!
Sun May 5, 2019, 04:14 PM
May 2019

The guy is a decorated war hero.

He knows Trump's actions were TREASONOUS and that he has designs on destroying our democracy and converting this nation into a dictatorship run by Russia!!! Nothing too serious.

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