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Sun May 5, 2019, 04:20 PM

Trump uses Russian Made Equip in WH to communicate directly with Putin!

What could go wrong??

Has he NEVER seen a spy movie???!!

Or not even "Enemy Of The State"?

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Reply Trump uses Russian Made Equip in WH to communicate directly with Putin! (Original post)
Grasswire2 May 2019 OP
ElementaryPenguin May 2019 #1
peggysue2 May 2019 #2
TwilightZone May 2019 #24
TomVilmer May 2019 #33
TwilightZone May 2019 #34
bluestarone May 2019 #3
BlueJac May 2019 #4
TwilightZone May 2019 #21
bluestarone May 2019 #46
TwilightZone May 2019 #49
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #5
Chin music May 2019 #41
2naSalit May 2019 #51
area51 May 2019 #6
5X May 2019 #7
Grasswire2 May 2019 #8
jberryhill May 2019 #9
TwilightZone May 2019 #15
dlk May 2019 #10
Glimmer of Hope May 2019 #11
kentuck May 2019 #12
RKP5637 May 2019 #13
HipChick May 2019 #59
TwilightZone May 2019 #14
RKP5637 May 2019 #16
TwilightZone May 2019 #17
RKP5637 May 2019 #19
TwilightZone May 2019 #18
underpants May 2019 #20
triron May 2019 #22
TwilightZone May 2019 #23
dumbcat May 2019 #25
TwilightZone May 2019 #27
dumbcat May 2019 #32
TwilightZone May 2019 #36
ancianita May 2019 #43
klook May 2019 #31
liberalmuse May 2019 #26
RKP5637 May 2019 #28
Blue_true May 2019 #29
TwilightZone May 2019 #30
Chin music May 2019 #47
sop May 2019 #35
Chin music May 2019 #48
EveHammond13 May 2019 #37
TwilightZone May 2019 #38
dchill May 2019 #39
brewens May 2019 #40
UniteFightBack May 2019 #42
jpak May 2019 #44
ancianita May 2019 #45
TwilightZone May 2019 #50
Blue Owl May 2019 #52
pdsimdars May 2019 #53
TwilightZone May 2019 #54
jmowreader May 2019 #55
lpbk2713 May 2019 #56
hughee99 May 2019 #58
TwilightZone May 2019 #61
spanone May 2019 #57
TwilightZone May 2019 #60

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:21 PM

1. Something seems "impeachable" about this on it's own!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:25 PM

2. Can we all agree now?

Trump is a Russian stooge.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #2)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:11 PM

24. It's been in place in various forms since 1963.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #24)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:39 PM

33. Do not spoil all the good outrage :)

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Response to TomVilmer (Reply #33)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:41 PM

34. haha

Yeah, I'm about to give up. There are plenty of things to be outraged about without turning a non-story into one, but I don't think people are making it to the tweet (the link's broken, which doesn't help), much less the actual story.

Unless we're going to dig up JFK, this seems to be much ado about nothing.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:27 PM

3. Twilight Zone

Living the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #3)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:37 PM

4. Twilight zone times 100...

Or Unfucking real zone!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #3)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:54 PM

21. Hey, now.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #21)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:20 PM

46. HA HA HA!!

Not meaning you!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #46)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:24 PM

49. ...

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:38 PM

5. What could possibly go wrong?

I dare anybody to tell me that equipment isn't live all the time and feeding every word spoken in the Oval Office to the Russian Embassy.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:14 PM

41. A russian alexa?

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Response to Chin music (Reply #41)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:31 PM

51. My thoughts exactly!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:38 PM

6. Lock him up!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:39 PM

7. TREASON!!!! n/t

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:45 PM

8. and look at THIS!


Mar a Lago's WIFI partners with Russia's largest fixed Wireless operator Enforta


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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:48 PM

9. Is that a publication you read frequently?

 


How reliable is that publication and/or the person who tweeted that article?

Iíve never heard of either of them, so Iím curious to know why anyone should simply take it at face value.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:50 PM

15. The original source is the Moscow Times.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moscow-times/

It also says that a Russian-made link has been there since 1963, so it's not as though this is something Trump/Putin had installed. Seems to be much ado about nothing, IMO.

edit: the original story, though the twitter link:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/23/white-house-uses-russian-technology-communicate-kremlin-rostec-says-a62637

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:49 PM

10. Treason?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:49 PM

11. Say what?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:49 PM

12. Good God Almighty!

Is this true??!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:50 PM

13. tRump, is having an easy time of it fucking over democracy. Far too many Americans are seriously

really stupid and naive ... and are easily duped. tRump is not stupid and knows exactly what he's doing. He is subversive and pretty much a domestic terrorist.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #13)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:44 PM

59. Yeap, folks should be protesting in DC

but as long as there football..

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:50 PM

14. According to the article, it's been like that since 1963.

"A direct link between the Kremlin and the White House became operational on Aug. 30, 1963, a year after the Cuban missile crisis that had almost led to nuclear war. The teletype was replaced by fax machines and, in the past decade, computer communications."

(snip)

ďIn all its years of existence, the direct line uses only Russian-made equipment,Ē the representative said without elaborating.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/23/white-house-uses-russian-technology-communicate-kremlin-rostec-says-a62637

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:51 PM

16. The link you supplied says, "Sorry, that page doesn't exist!" n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #16)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:52 PM

17. Here's the correct link.




I just took off the http on the end, which appeared to be a copy/paste artifact.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #17)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:53 PM

19. Thanks!!!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:52 PM

18. Might want to fix your link.

Here's the correct one:


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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:54 PM

20. This reminds me of Lynn Cheney on the Daily Show. She gave Jon a Dart Vader figurine

He looked at it and asked, "Is there a microphone in it?"



http://www.cc.com/video-clips/erijoa/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-lynne-cheney-pt--1

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:06 PM

22. This equipment has evidently been there for nearly a decade.

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Response to triron (Reply #22)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:10 PM

23. Yes, and the links have been Russian-made since 1963.

This isn't a Trump/Putin thing.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:18 PM

25. So many people commenting on that which they are ignorant

C'mon, people. Don't go all crazy with this stuff. We have been using Russian Crypto gear, and they ours, for secure communications over the so-called "hot line" at least since the early 80's, when I was assigned to the White House Communications Agency and worked on that system. There are plenty of safeguards put into place by both sides.

IIRC, our own Mineral Man had a bit of background in this field and can maybe verify from his experience.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #25)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:23 PM

27. Yes, as it notes in the article, our end has been Russia-sourced since 1963.

I think it didn't help that the link in the OP is broken. At that point, some seem to have just taken it at face value.


The original story referenced in the tweet:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/23/white-house-uses-russian-technology-communicate-kremlin-rostec-says-a62637

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #27)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:37 PM

32. Yep, back in the late 70's early 80's at Camp Roberts satellite terminal

there were teletype terminals built in and provided by Russia. In those days the messages were sent via teletype in the sender's native language and translated at the distant end. So we had to have teleprinters that could print the Cyrillic alphabet. And we sent them teleprinters that printed our alphabet. Again, in those days a test message was sent every hour. Odd hours by one side and even hours by the other. IIRC encryption at that time was via a Swiss device that utilized one-time pads. But it's been a few years and the details get a little fuzzy.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #32)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:45 PM

36. Interesting.

Thanks for the further detail. It doesn't surprise me that we sourced theirs and they sourced ours. That makes sense, really. Each side would want to make sure that the translation process on the other end was accurate.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #36)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:16 PM

43. What were the safeguards then? And how do we know there are any now? Given 45's

complete secrecy about his communications, it's a question concerning national security, even as the equipment's been around much longer than anyone here knew.

And why is that.

Our security doesn't seem to exist anymore. Because of the way 45 ignores it.

No need for congressional oversight, then?

I don's expect you to be up-to-date on the situation, but if you can speculate, that would help a bit.

God, this is weird AF.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #25)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:36 PM

31. Thank you. Trashing thread. Plenty else to hyperventilate about. (nt)

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:18 PM

26. Vladimir Putin is in charge of the US.

Trump and the GOP have essentially handed our country over to his will. This really needs to end.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #26)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:28 PM

28. Yep, the US is now a subsidiary of Russia thanks to the GOP. n/t

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:29 PM

29. That is incredible.

Likely a dozen USA firms that could supply the hardware and services and that White House chooses a Russian one.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #29)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:35 PM

30. It's been Russian-sourced since 1963.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #29)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:20 PM

47. +1

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:42 PM

35. The equipment has been in the WH for decades and used transparently

But, Trump uses this encryption and secure communications link specifically to prevent U.S. Intelligence from listening to his conversations with Putin. The same way he speaks to Vladimir without anyone else present, never divulges the content and confiscates any notes.

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Response to sop (Reply #35)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:22 PM

48. +1

His own little fraternization hotline.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:46 PM

37. WTF

 

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:47 PM

38. NOTE: here is a working link and a link to the original story. This has been in place since 1963.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:51 PM

39. "Enemy Of The State"? That's him, all right.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 05:52 PM

40. Breaking News! McConnelll introduces bill to put "In Vlad We Trust" on our money. n/t

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:14 PM

42. WHERE ARE THE PATRIOTS?

 

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:17 PM

44. NOOOO COLLLUSSION!!!!111111

not

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:18 PM

45. So this article has everyone believe that this situation is all part of history; like, normal, eh?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #45)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:30 PM

50. The link has been there for 55 years...

and our end has been Russia-sourced for 55 years.

So, yes, that would qualify as historical.

Trump may not be using it in the same manner as other presidents (we don't actually know), but it's not new.

If it's been there for 55 years, there's clearly a reason for it (as others have noted in this thread), and it's clearly not an issue or Clinton or Obama would have had it removed or replaced. According to the article, the current version of the link has been there for roughly a decade.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:32 PM

52. One moment -- we're Putin you through to Vlad now...

n/t

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:46 PM

53. What does it take for those in congress to ACT like he is the TRAITOR he is?

 

Yea, let's just wait for the election . . we have all the time in the world. . . .(famous last words)

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #53)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:51 PM

54. In this case, there's nothing to act on.

The process has been in place and Russian-sourced since 1963. It's been used by multiple Democratic presidents, so apparently they didn't consider it a problem.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/23/white-house-uses-russian-technology-communicate-kremlin-rostec-says-a62637

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to get worked up about Trump. This is not one of them.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:00 PM

55. I believe that's the "red phone" between the WH and the Kremlin

It's there to stop either country from accidentally nuking the other off the face of the earth.

Given that, Twitler is probably using it to talk directly to Putin without any oversight.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:03 PM

56. Really really stupid.



How many dozens of his security people did he overrule on this nitwit decision?

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #56)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:42 PM

58. Apparently a lot, going all the way back to 1963.

Thatís how truly dangerous this man is, that he had his private line to Putin put in the White House more than 50 years ago!

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #58)

Sun May 5, 2019, 11:38 PM

61. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

51 recs for a dead link and a non-story and dozens of responses that didn't even make it to the tweet, much less the underlying story.

It's kind of remarkable in a bizarre way.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:11 PM

57. Probably so our own intelligence people can't hear it and decipher.

get this fucker out of our White House

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 11:35 PM

60. 51 recs for a dead link. This thread is kind of remarkable.

And dozens of responses that have no idea that this link to Russia has been in place for 55 years and has been Russian-sourced all that time, even though that information is quite clear in the story.

Correct link to the tweet since the OP never bothered to fix it:


Linked story: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/23/white-house-uses-russian-technology-communicate-kremlin-rostec-says-a62637

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