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Sun May 5, 2019, 04:30 PM

CALL TO ACTION! Remove Internet Connectivity From Election Systems!

Join this effort. It's the only sure cure for meddling.

Hand Marked Paper Ballots, Hand Counted on Site.

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Reply CALL TO ACTION! Remove Internet Connectivity From Election Systems! (Original post)
Grasswire2 May 2019 OP
at140 May 2019 #1
lpbk2713 May 2019 #2
abqtommy May 2019 #3
Duppers May 2019 #4
msongs May 2019 #5
Grasswire2 May 2019 #7
elder phd May 2019 #6
Grasswire2 May 2019 #8
not_the_one May 2019 #9
Grasswire2 May 2019 #10
DFW May 2019 #11
former9thward May 2019 #12
DFW May 2019 #14
pecosbob May 2019 #13

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:37 PM

1. K&R +1000

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 04:40 PM

2. Excellent idea.



A dedicated data circuit is a very weak link in the chain.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:31 PM

3. I second that!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 06:57 PM

4. K & R

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:37 PM

5. tom steyer should use his millions to promote this nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:20 PM

7. yes

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sun May 5, 2019, 07:38 PM

6. ZERO ELECTRONICS!!

folks, our ultimate goal MUST be complete remove of all electronic devices associated with our votes and counting.

when all is said and done, in case of a dispute, you have to recount all the paper ballots BY HAND anyway! why not start out with the final arbiter?

it's not that hard, and has been done since forever before electricity and computers this way, and invites civic participation. all that's required are reps from each candidate for each slot present to count the ballots. each rep tallies up, passes on to the next rep who does the same, repeated until the tallies agree. each tally is then posted for the world to see, online and on the courthouse walls.

then and only then is a final tally sent to a central electronic system that adds them altogether. from that point, any and all can add them up. no disputes.

HANDS ON VOTING!!

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Response to elder phd (Reply #6)

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:22 PM

8. welcome to DU!

good to have you on board

Your comment should be an OP and I encourage you to make one.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 01:26 PM

9. that's how it was done back in the day

 

except I believe the final vote was called in, since there was no "electronic" way of communicating.

We can do it that way again. INCLUDING the phone call, with multiple witnesses from both sides to the call.

Then we must be patient. We must set aside our thirst for instant gratification, for absolute accuracy. All results must be posted so they can be checked by anyone and everyone.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #9)

Mon May 6, 2019, 05:51 PM

10. yep

Plus....as another member noted above, there is a civic collaboration involved, and it's good for a community!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 06:01 PM

11. It would have to be a thorough job

My brother said--back in 2002!!--"give me a cell phone and a laptop, and I'll make any of those machines give any result you want."

They have vulnerabilities that make them susceptible to hacking even when not (obviously, anyway) connected to the internet. I don't know how that works, but I don't do top secret stuff for DARPA, either. He does.

Get rid of electronic vote tracking PERIOD. Don't even give them the IDEA that there's something to hack. Republicans breaking into ballot storages in the middle of the night are a lot easier to catch than Putin's people on Savushkina Street 8000 miles away.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Mon May 6, 2019, 07:03 PM

12. Did you take up his boast?

Why didn't you give him a cell phone and laptop and see what he could do? That sounds like stuff I hear in bars.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Mon May 6, 2019, 11:12 PM

14. Hardly. He lives in Langley, VA, and I live in the German Rheinland.

I'm never in the country on election day.

He doesn't drink or go to bars, and would lose more than his job if he were caught doing anything of the sort.
There must be a different kind of crowd in bars.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2019, 08:27 PM

13. Multiple issues here so we don't want to conflate them

State voter databases need to be secured from intrusion...this data is mostly what the Russians were interested in. IMO this kind of change isn't likely to happen anytime soon, particularly with obstruction from the States.

Isolating voting machines and the systems that tabulate the votes is a must. In addition, little attention has been paid to the companies that have been contracted to supply the hardware and to administer it. I believe there is statistical evidence that Republican operatives have been involved in manipulating vote tallies on numerous occasions and I believe that it has been coordinated from high levels within the Party. I saw Rove meltdown over Ohio on live television.

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