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Trump never tires of lying. He never tires attacking people. I have never seen Trump catch a cold. I never seen him lose his voice. It is very abnormal. He has little trouble finding a seemingly endless group of people who will break the law for him. These people watch people who risk their freedom protecting Trump go to prison. People still break the law to protect him. They volunteer in some cases. What power does he hold over these people?
Trumps luck seems never to run out. No matter what foolish mistakes he makes, no matter how incompetent he is, no matter what crimes he commits, he never pays a heavy price. Even the Mueller report, which should have destroyed Trump had little effect.
There is something evil at work here that I do not understand. I only know it is extremely dangerous because it is completely abnormal.
C_U_L8R
(44,894 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,679 posts)It is not Trump, it is not McConnell they are just useful pawns, distractions and protectors of Republicans doing all the work they want done.
It is high ups in the Republican Party that are truly organizing and orchestrating all of this.
Read the 1997 Republican Document called: Project New American Century. The entire report is public information!!!!
(esp the part how they needed a "Pearl Harbor type tragedy" (Think /11) to kick start the whole process!!)
Anybody heard anything from Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and that whole crowd???? Hell no, they are busy night and day, ever since Obama won directing the Republicans from the side lines, and using the PNAC as a check off list for the Republicans and Corporations dominating everything for ever more....
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)Bolton has not given up on the PNAC goal of "transforming the Middle East" by invading countries & overthrowing their governments, the PNAC vision of an "imperial America."
Iran was on their list but they got bogged down in Iraq & Afghanistan. When Trump brought Bolton in I said it would just be a matter of time before Bolton started pushing the PNAC agenda again, to finish the job they started ... war with Iran.
And look what just happened...
U.S. sending aircraft carrier, strike force to Mideast to warn Iran
[link:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-aircraft-carrier-abraham-lincoln-carrier-strike-group-bomber-task-force-iran-middle-east/|
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)spanone
(135,635 posts)👍🏼
lame54
(35,138 posts)sop
(9,946 posts)The Antichrist and son of the Devil.
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)montanacowboy
(6,052 posts)however, I have been thinking for a long time that this person could be the so called "Anti Christ"
He fits all the descriptions, and his followers are many and slavish
The MARK OF THE BEST which his followers wear is MAGA on their foreheads (on their red ballcaps)
Just think of it, all his life he has been untouchable, no matter what kind of evil he commits, cheating, lying, breaking all laws,
every evil deed known to mankind and he skates through life. Think about it.
We have NEVER seen the likes of this evil and it will be damn hard to destroy it.
kimbutgar
(20,882 posts)He eats a terrible diet, never sleeps and looks terrible yet everyday he spouts evil stuff as if the devils got his back.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)One of them is my own brother.
I know that some of them pray for 45's death every day.
(Maybe Pence does, too).
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)OMGWTF
(3,896 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)harumph
(1,871 posts)Just thought I'd throw that in here
MFM008
(19,776 posts)works better.
snort
(2,334 posts)Texin
(2,585 posts)They have their season and then they pass from existence. They do great evil and many suffered and died, and many will and have been destroyed by tRump as with the others. I believe this will get much, much worse before it's over. I would like to believe that we can survive this onslaught this time as others have in the past, but my hopes are dimmed. We've never seen what's happening now at a time that coincides with how greatly challenged existence on this planet is so perilously poised on its survival.
I am not a religious person, but I have read the Book of Revelation and other prophetic chapters of the Bible, and no time in history seems to be more similar to what is depicted within those pages as now. It seems as if there is an inimical force set loose with persons like tRump and other autocrats the spokespeople of its agenda with devoted acolytes.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)behavior ... as you say, "It seems as if there is an inimical force set loose with persons like tRump and other autocrats the spokespeople of its agenda with devoted acolytes." It could even be in the great cosmos some type of interactive electromagnetic force (whatever) of some type wherein there is some juxtaposition/alignment of forces. I'm having difficulty right now expressing it in words, but I'm quite sure you get my drift.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)If he suffers an apparently fatal wound, and recovers, then he is the Antichrist in my book.
yonder
(9,631 posts)Whether believing it or not, I've kept that tucked away. Just in case.
If I recall, after that recovery all hell is supposed to break loose.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)The Book of Revelation was apparently a "nightmare" or maybe simply an hallucination of John. And as for biblical prophecies -- well, it's pretty easy to to claim that those prophecies came true, especially when the narrative after the fact oh so handily explains what actually happened.
Those who take the Christian Bible (New Testament) literally have a thing or two to learn about the Old Testament. Most Jewish scholars don't believe Moses parted the Red Sea, or that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, or that Daniel survived the lion's den. Those and other such stories are simply allegories, which encourage the flock to believe in God.
And as for Nostradamus -- well, his verses were so vague that many, many world events could easily be attributed to his predictions.
Do you remember that ghastly Hal Lindsay who wrote "The Late, great Planet Earth"? I think he or maybe someone else wrote those "Left behind" books too. There are far too many gullible people who believe that crap, and religious shysters (in TV, in print and in politics) push it and push it.
Some of you claim you're non-religious (I myself became a non-theist when my common sense stepped in many years ago), and yet you seem to be worried about an anti-Christ. Trump is evil incarnate (no conscience, no morals, his only "god" is greed) and yes, there ARE people like that in this world, and there always will be. He was born with a silver spoon, and turned it into gold, but he hasn't been unremittingly lucky during his life, and his time to pay the piper WILL come. We can only hope that happens before he destroys the US, and takes other countries down with him
yankeepants
(1,979 posts)Last edited Wed May 8, 2019, 04:46 AM - Edit history (1)
Recovered from what should have been a fatal gunshot and went on to bring us this current shit show. Tada!
Mariana
(14,849 posts)What kind of injury would convince you, if he received it and survived?
Feebeeps
(4 posts)It doesn't have to be physical.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)See: Bill Clinton.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)That is what many believe. If he receives a serious head wound and survives that, then IMO he's the Antichrist.
And a serious head wound could even mean a stroke.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)Cause this really is no country for old men.
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)One of my favorite Tommie Lee Jones lines in the movie.
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)The AC is supposed to admired far and wide across the globe ...
but as I told my evangelical SIL, "No I don't think DT is the AC, but it sure has shown me how blindly you will follow someone... and THAT scares me the most".
Now DT being a forerunner of the AC and a prophet... Hmmmmm....
Mariana
(14,849 posts)That idea was very popular among the Evangelicals, while he was in office.
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts).. but seriously, his dad is an evangelical preacher and I think he has an uncle who preaches as well.
We have pretty much steered clear of politics until I visited over New Years and then some reason we were sitting there (may be because I recently re-joined (a progressive) church...
and he just blurts out, "Trump is the best thing that ever happened for Christians'.
After I picked my jaw completely up from the floor, he got 'the speech'.. which of course was in his house and I had to apologize for my 'tone' later on.. but i stood by my comments.
SCARY (this is in central Alabama.. haven't lived there in 25 years now.. I escaped).
Mariana
(14,849 posts)before I would consent to having a conversation about Trump. I can think of all kinds of awkward questions I'd feel compelled to ask. "For years, you fervently believed that Obama was the Beast of the Revelation, yes? Do you still think Obama is the Antichrist? Why did you think that in the first place? What made you change your mind? Since you were 100% wrong about Obama being the Antichrist, why should I trust your evaluation of Trump? Aren't you just as likely to be as wrong now as you were then?" Etc.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Now Vladimir Putin, OTOH...
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)it is believed that the 16th-century prophet even managed to predict Trumps presidential win: The great shameless, audacious bawler. He will be elected governor of the army: The boldness of his contention. The bridge broken, the city faint from fear.
Now, it is believed that when Nostradamus spoke about the Anti-Christ he was referring to the newly appointed, 45th president of the United States: Donald Trump.
Those who have followed the predictions by Nostradamus firmly argue that Trumps it the Anti-Christ who will cause World War 3, and to back up their claims they point to the following verses written down by Michel de Nostradame hundreds of years ago:
The False Trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws. From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.
The trumpet shakes with great discord. An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven: the bloody mouth will swim with blood; the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground. https://www.ancient-code.com/nostradamus-saw-trump-anti-christ-wholl-trigger-world-war-3/
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)The shit he pulls would make Aleister Crowley blush with shame.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)weaves, always thinking it best to deceive." I will not mourn his death should the reaper check him out before me.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Blue Owl
(49,918 posts)n/t
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)So you've got all seven of the deadly sins wrapped up in one flabby orange package.
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)Maybe he is here to destroy America from within.
nancy1942
(635 posts)I remember when Krushschev said that we would destroy ourselves without the Russians having to fire one shot. I never dreamed that it would all happen in my lifetime....but it seems to be the case. I underestimated just how truly evil the Republicans and the evangelicals actually were. With their eager help our country is being destroyed.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)"There is no honor among thieves" The group of thieves and con men surrounding the orange ass are all complicit, protecting him. I doubt very much they do it because they actually "like" him, they probably recognize how unfit he is just as we do. There is something in it for them, money, prestige something.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)PufPuf23
(8,688 posts)Too many people worship Trump as living out their what-should-be-embarrassing-and-shameful personal tendencies and desires.
So many enablers. The worst of the United States is on parade. Alas.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)Initech
(99,914 posts)I've been saying since the election that this country turned from "hope and change" to "go fuck yourself, you PC douchebags!"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)He's working hard to make America Hell again.
Texin
(2,585 posts)Now I'm beginning to wonder.
Initech
(99,914 posts)See the next response ...
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)He didn't just up and happen.
It took decades of right wing media skull fucking this country because this country just can't stop indulging their fuckwittery.
He is a flaming moron, but his one master skill is manipulating weak people, and the republican party softened up the ground for him.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Its the voice of evil, effectively brainwashing its audience. We ignore it as if it were merely background noise, but its dangerous. I wish I knew what to do about it.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)The "middle 1/3" get their heads out of their asses with the they both are the same b*******, there's nothing we can do.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)and they reward him with power.
As for his enablers, there has never been a shortage of people willing to sell their souls for power.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)and a lifetime of excellent health care.
colorado_ufo
(5,717 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)He probably has minions wipe everything down with bleach after the common people touch it. The rest of it is probably because nobody expected a president to ever do the shit he's doing and nobody knows how to deal with it.
OMGWTF
(3,896 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)And maybe he soaks his dick in Lysol after.
JHB
(37,131 posts)And Trump was never known for restraining his impulses.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)citizen blues
(570 posts)Trump has a kind of charisma that keeps drawing people in who are willing to fall on their swords for him.
He's also backed by a party that has embraced winning at all costs since the 60s. A party that has absolutely no hesitation to commit treason, lie, cheat, and steal their way into office. This issue is so much bigger than Trump. If it weren't for greedy oligarch wannabes hanging onto his faux coattails, he would be nobody.
The GOP has co-opted the evil greed of charismatic megachurch pastors who continually sucker people out their life savings. They have had decades of an all-out propaganda war through FOX and right-wing radio while at the same time, gutting the publishing industry.
The Republican party has been involved in an assault on and dismantling of American democracy for 50 years. This is a party that must be relegated to the history books. This is a party that we must see dismantled. This is a party that needs to be prosecuted from top to bottom for their crimes as a warning to future generations.
nancy1942
(635 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)I get the flu, backaches, sniffles, etc. I currently have a cataract that needs attention. There is something weird about Drumpf. I suspect he gets a lot of drugs we don't hear about.
Desert grandma
(802 posts)This could be a real factor in his good fortune. My 92 year old mother is from Germany originally. She's from Bavaria as was the Orange Buffoon's father. My mom is 92, her brother is 90, and her sister is 85. They are very healthy. They are rarely sick and take minimal medicines. My mom smoked until she was 80. Perhaps it was a genetic adaptation to living through WW2 and the food and medical deprivation they endured. Unfortunately, I think this bozo in the White House has genes that protect him from his lifestyle. Hopefully, it will catch up with him sooner rather than later. This makes more sense to me than a demonic evil force of some kind, although he is certainly an evil, demonic person to be sure.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)He certainly hasn't genes for intelligence, empathy or a full head of hair. Remember the doctor also said he was taller than he is and weighs less than he does.
Desert grandma
(802 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,410 posts)And everything stemming from that deal is now available for all of us to see in real life. Shockey80 makes an imaginative story line. I'd rather use his post as a working analogy. It's AS IF Trumpy made a deal with the Devil. For those interested in religious/biblical frames of reference, there's a lot of meat with very little fat. Were I so inclined to use this frame of reference, I'd have a field day with how Satan is whispering in Trumpy's ear at all hours of the day and night, being his valued friend, with Trumpy listening intently to every word. Trumpy reportedly studied the speeches of unarguably the most evil person in the 20th century, Adolph Hitler, in the 1980s. He's lifted Hitler's words about Jews right out of Hitler's speeches, to vilify doctors and new mothers who, he falsely claimed are routinely having discussions about executing newborns.
LostinRed
(840 posts)Unfortunately were the worst animal on the planet. These MAGA people are the same that followed Hilter, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Manson, Jim Jones and countless other leaders. Its infuriating because Trump is so incompetent its incomprehensible to the rest of us that anyone would support him. It isnt luck or evil it the political system, the media and spineless politicians that keep him in power.
Blues Heron
(5,898 posts)Rwanda was done that way - propaganda radio played a big role.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Trump has some kind of power to influence people. They follow and believe his outlandish lies as if they have no mind and thoughts of their own. What kind of power does he have to have t his effect on normal people?
I just do not see the reasons for their blind obedience and loyalty to him.
Ohioboy
(3,222 posts)I know people who have told me the main reason they voted for Trump was to "stick it to the libs".
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)for him!
Raster
(20,996 posts)Mitch McConnell* and the Congressional GOP*.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)They are not, they are just evil.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can think of no logical explanation for this man's success.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Apprentice to Darth Jar Jar.
Ohioboy
(3,222 posts)This may be anecdotal, but I've had the displeasure of meeting several habitual liars in my life. They just don't care, and don't seem to be personally affected by their lies. They feel no stress about what they are doing, and as a result can sleep well and stay healthy. The only thing that might bother them is that someone is against them, but since they take no responsibility it's all the other person's fault. It's even worse when the habitual liar has power, like a boss, that can't be fired. They can go through life for long periods of time without any consequences. Those affected by their lying are often powerless to do anything about it, and remain quiet.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)to unite them to do his evil bidding. In some ways similar to Jonestown, Heaven's Gate and the like ... people willing to fall on their swords to enable and benefit tRump.
rickford66
(5,498 posts)misanthrope
(7,405 posts)He has no conscience and has lived his life in a position where he never had to pay the price for such. In fact, it worked to his advantage much in the way sociopathy and psychopathy work to the advantage of those who ascend corporate and political ladders. Check out the 2006 book "Snakes in Suits" for a more detailed look.
How does he draw folks to him? Well, he doesn't draw all folks but rather the weak-minded, the intellectually challenged, those with character flaws and tribalists. He's no Svengali but just a standard con man.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)No gods, demons, or devils protect him. He survives through sheer dumbassery.
yuiyoshida
(41,762 posts)How do we get his ass our of office? besides voting him out and will he say the system is rigged? The Senate will not impeach him.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)marieo1
(1,402 posts)You have just expressed my views completely!! I just don't understand it either. There isn't a law abiding citizen on this planet that would support him after some of the horrible things he says and does. I guess, I feel his supporters must be carbon copies of DJT with no desire to be a law abiding citizens. They applaud DJT for his brazenness, stupidity, meanness, hatefulness, they love it. Obviously they hate our country, too, and want it to go "belly up"!! I do not understand why his supporters do stand up to him and call him out for his behavior!!
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)I'm not religious but I am a believer and follower of Christ. I know a little bit about the Bible. Having said this, I can understand how some people scratch their heads at the Trump followers. Women who wear homemade t-shirts that say "Trump can grab my pu**y anytime". I bet these women are in church front & center every Sunday. Or evangelicals who say this man was appointed/annointed by God.
This is a man who raped his wife, a serial adulterer, a man who admitted on radio that he lusts for his daughter, a man who proudly states that he has never, ever changed the diaper of any of his 5 children, he has admitted to assaulting women, a man who misquoted not only Scripture, but doesn't know the correct pronunciation of a familiar book of the Bible. Yet evangelicals love him! I don't even pretend to understand.
What I do know is that the Bible speaks of "types" of antichrists. People who are so inherently evil that one can only surmise that they are under the influence of Old Scratch himself - Satan. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. God's fruit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, gentleness, self control. Do we see any of these attributes in Trump? Of course not, what we see are the works of the flesh; adultery, fornication, envy, seditions, hatred, strife - and this is not even a complete list!
The question remains, why are people, especially evangelicals supporting someone so anti-Christ?
yonder
(9,631 posts)And your last question remains a question: Why?
bluestarone
(16,721 posts)Mariana
(14,849 posts)Is that what you mean when you say, "People who are so inherently evil that one can only surmise that they are under the influence of Old Scratch himself - Satan."
The Evangelicals believe his sins have been forgiven. They also say that God has often worked through highly flawed people. It's hard to argue with them on that point, since the Bible is stuffed with stories in which God favors and blesses men who did much worse things than Trump has ever done.
It's not just the Evangelicals, either. The majority of all Christian voters went for Trump in 2016 - 58% of Protestants, 52% of Catholics, and 61% of Mormons.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)ancianita
(35,812 posts)a poison on the body politic, which is sickly.
But his luck will run out, even if we can't see daylight yet.
Personally, I think if he has luck, it will turn if/when he turns to Putin to get his reward.
Texin
(2,585 posts)ancianita
(35,812 posts)1.
Back in Trump's 3,500 lawsuit days, law enforcement saw Trump as a silly, petty, conman grifter who primarily harmed other grifters like himself. He, his half-assed lawyers and accountants created layer after layer of entities and transactions they knew would be too difficult to sort through.
Back then, Trumpsters thought law enforcement stayed away because they were criminal masterminds.
But actually, back then, law enforcement thought it wasn't worth using up limited resources and personnel to take down the penny ante rat who grifted other grifters. They didn't jail him because he wasn't worth it. Fake luck
2.
Today, as president, Trump's big mistake has been to take his grifter schemes and money grubbing lackeys into The White House, The People's House. If he had quit the grift game, law enforcement might have let him, his crime family, and his syndicate slide.
But Trumpsters ramped up their criminality, and Trump used the power of the U.S. presidency not only to globalize his grift, but to marginalize and obstruct federal powers of law and order. Fake luck.
Trump privately and publicly got in federal law enforcement's -- and 16 intelligence agencies' -- faces. He mocked them, lied to the country, undermined them, broke laws, norms, obstructed investigations. Considering all his business failure and refusal of any American banks to do business with him, I'd call that well earned persona non grata luck.
He's used the presidential office to elevate his petty criminality to high crimes and misdemeanors -- lied to cover his traitorous dealings -- federal law enforcement's sworn patriotic duty is to bring this president-in-disguise to justice.
Maybe we just want to call his life lucky. His only luck was hitting the vaginal lottery. The rest of it I'd call bizarre. Luck is about getting something for nothing. It's random. It doesn't happen at the expense of others. They just don't get what the lucky get, but no harm comes to them because of the lucky's gain. But not in Trump's case.
This thing about his being lucky looks more like another of his PR grifts. I just think luck hasn't got one damn thing to do with what he's living right now. Outside winning the lottery, wealth and power are hardly a matter of luck. If it is luck, then he's in luck hell right now, overall. He and his syndicate's grift is to act as if he can game justice indefinitely.
That's a gamble. His good luck is fake. His bad luck is running out to no luck at all.
I like the Velveteen Ocelot reference to John Milton's Satan here.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)He is surrounded by power hungry enablers. It is all very weird.
Texin
(2,585 posts)He just goes on and on without consequence despite all the flak he has endured for 50 years, all it the result of his depravity. Not a mark on him. Not one day down for a cold or the flu. Impervious to the consequences of a debauched and gluttonous life. It's perversely remarkable. He's like something out of the X-Files. Or like that State Farm Mayhem Man commercials. Unbelievable.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Of those people in the miracle stories, where the person survives after being shot 9 times or being struck by lightning.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)many of our children and/or grandchildren are eligible to vote. His epitaph will reflect the spirit of the majority.
May he spend his final days in bed with a big piece of chocolate cake that chokes him or his heart. May he spend his final days fighting a bankruptcy and criminal charges.
no_hypocrisy
(45,774 posts)And my mother thought Roy Cohn was a shit in the Fifties. . . . . .
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)(From Merriam-Webster)
Antichrist
1) "A great antagonist expected to fill the world with wickedness"
2) "Used in an exaggerated way to describe a person regarded as a powerful and malevolent adversary"
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Trump hasn't filled the world with wickedness.
Definition 2 doesn't really apply to the Antichrist, does it?
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)Of course, that's assuming there can only be one Antichrist.
Boomerproud
(7,889 posts)We are paying a horrible price.
The Blue Flower
(5,420 posts)The only response to lawlessness is firm application of the law. No waffling.
patphil
(6,033 posts)That evil is TRUMP.
He is the Father of Lies, and he has infected the hearts of tens of millions of Americans.
We are now engaged in a battle for the soul of the nation.
This is no joke.
Patrick Phillips
joe_stampingbull
(165 posts)and i fear it will not end well.
Bozvotros
(782 posts)That's the name of the Netflix docudrama on Ted Bundy. It is told largely through the perspective of his wife who believed in him or tried to believe in him right up to his execution, even though it was making her almost psychotically miserable. It's amazing how much Bundy reminds me of a young Trump with the ease he lies, uses and betrays people around him especially those who trust him the most. And especially how he could continue to lie, even in the face of overwhelming evidence against him.
The media was obsessed with Bundy. They were fascinated by his boastful confidence man charm, his assurances of innocence in the face of often overwhelming evidence linking him to unbelievably heinous crimes against dozens of women. But the media wasn't supporting him. Bundy, without the benefit of 24/7 hate radio singing his praises and a massive news network trumpeting his greatness and repeating his lies, still had a large fan club enchanted by him. There were many men and women who believed his claims of innocence and victimhood and were ready to defend him or be seduced by him, no matter what he did.
There were lots of people though that immediately saw what a wicked, evil and vile human being he was. The movie's title was a quote from the judge who sentenced him to death but who also said he bore him no ill will and bemoaned the waste Bundy had made of his life. I didn't get that. I thought of the lives he had ended, ruined, shattered without a glimmer of remorse. I remember at the time, trying to be a good hippie liberal and opposing the death penalty..... until Ted Bundy came along. But I also remember thinking that maybe he didn't kill all those young women because I could not conceive how one person could be that evil. I know better now.
I think Trump is that evil. I remember despising him the first time I ever saw him speak on TV. I saw a totally shallow, arrogant prick who thought he was better than everyone else and whose evil smarm was especially directed towards women. I remember wondering how anyone could watch him on television and not see that he was utterly untrustworthy and capable of almost anything.
I still believe there is almost nothing he hasn't done or wouldn't do to satisfy his own desires, protect himself or advance his own interests. Start WW3? Yes. If his generals let him. Destroy the environment? In a heart beat. Start a second American Civil War? Without a doubt. Raping children? Absolutely. And for some reason there are millions of Americans who will let him do those terrible things or even help him do them. That is the evil force driving Trump along. And that scares me far more than he does.
sop
(9,946 posts)pride, greed, lust, gluttony, wrath, envy and sloth. He's the precise obverse of the seven virtues (as enunciated by Pope Gregory in 590 AD): chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness and humility. Yep, he's the devil.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Turns out religion isn't the opiate of the masses but a play station is.
murielm99
(30,656 posts)about some wingnut who is going to the Clinton's house to protest them. He is inviting others to join him. He claims that Hillary is under satanic protection. I think it is trump who is under satanic protection.
My older relatives assure me that there were many people who thought Hitler was the anti-Christ.
Trump is mortal. I hope his luck and seemingly good health run out before our country and the world are destroyed.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212077333
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Skittles
(152,964 posts)mwb970
(11,299 posts)I just don't get it. What do they SEE in him?
kentuck
(110,950 posts)But he prepares in a criminal and evil way to protect himself. He has been very successful. He does not think the thoughts of a "normal" individual. Most people do not think about how they can cover their tracks and who they can get to do their dirty work and, all the while, keep his hands clean. He has a criminal mind. One must think like a criminal in order to understand him.
For example, he feels threatened by Robert Mueller this morning. What does he do? He has a little talk with Mitch McConnell, about saving the Republican Party and their legacy, and persuades Mitch to begin the process of closing down the investigation by c haracter assassination of Robert Mueller. He has a lot of faith in PR and propaganda.
ravencalling
(285 posts)Look at our society. Supposedly ruled by law. It operates well as people follow those laws and social norms. When you go to work in the morning, everyone drives on the right side of the road. Someone sneezes and you get people saying "Bless You!". People do not show up to work naked, most often. Enter the sociopath. I challenge you to look at people in your own circle or experience. I have seen time and time again where people who blatantly do not follow norms to their own advantage do not suffer consequence. They gas light the world around them. People who are not sociopath are not equipped mentally to deal with people who have no inner emotional compass. Our organizations are not equipped to deal with it and our government is not equipped either. Small example. Look at the companies or organizations you work in. How many times have you seen someone who does not follow norms get rewarded, promoted or just have had their behavior ignored while those that follow the rules are literally dumped on, worked to death, fired, etc. I see it every day. When I think of doing the same thing, I hard cringe inside. THAT is the difference. We can't believe that others do not think as we do or have that natural sense of right and wrong. We believe in karma, consequence, law and order, you name it, but we think all of these things protect us or keep the order for us. Yet in practice watch how people become deer in headlights when faced with sociopath behavior or they just believe it cannot be true and they become followers. They keep to the norms, the sociopath does not. And then after some particularly evil deed, there is all of the shock and hand wringing but seemingly no solution. It just can't be true! It must be something we are not seeing right! Something will be done, someone will stand up to them! There is no consequence so the sociopath must be right! Surely this man cannot for instance lust after his own daughter! Sociopaths in my opinion have the ability to cut through our society like butter and it will be our demise. Perhaps some evolutionary kill switch?
RambleTamble
(28 posts)There does seem to be a spiritual force that keeps him going.
Texin
(2,585 posts)That particular series has (in its early books) a very science fiction horror aspect about it, but the books become more pointed about the nature of human existence and the challenges between good and evil. Or, more interestingly, the interplay becomes about an alien neutral force - neither pro or con - humanity and the Earth, an inimical "other" force that is decided an antagonistic adversary, and a force for goodness. Emerging about halfway into the series is a weird group called The Kickers, and they embody to a one the very essence of Trumpism. The members engage in vicious and brutal behaviors much like what we saw in Charleston, SC and other places recently.
In any event, the whole premise of the book series is so eerily familiar and oh so much like what I see play out on television and on Twitter that it's surreal. The Repairman Jack series actually morphed from the first book in the series, The Tomb, which Wilson calls The "Adversary Cycle" and continues through the "Repairman Jack Novels" (though Jack is party of the Adversary Cycle as well). This series also had one of his novels, The Keep, which was first published in 1981 - so the premise behind the books was developing even that early on. The entire cycle of the series is ending soon with the publication of Wilson's last book The Last Christmas, which is being released I believe in September or October.
colorado_ufo
(5,717 posts)because he and Putin have plans for the dismantling of America and making it, de facto or more, a part of the new Russian Empire. Putin plans to do it without firing a single shot, and portions of the ignorant in America will be his duped allies in accomplishing this. During the campaign, I heard some say that they didn't care if Russia interfered, as long as it got Trump elected. Trump has always had conflicts over his relationship with his father, who both influenced and brutalized him. Now, he worships "strongmen" and would like to be one himself. I'm sure Putin his offered him the carrots of power, position, wealth, amazing real estate projects, protection, and anything else it is his to grant, and the stick of compromat.
Trump's ability to do anything and get away with it is a result of decades of practice and being taught by family and advisers. It is not that difficult, when he has resources and others don't; he has time on his side, by court delays, and others don't; when he has no constraints of conscience, morals, and empathy, and others do. He is very, very smart in the arenas in which he plays. Now, he also has the support of others in the Republican party, particularly McConnell, who have plans of their own or secrets to protect. People in power do not like to give up that power.
He surrounds himself with people who are either needy or crafty or both. He has also perfected a great "act" of rage, authentic enough to terrify the people around him who are used to dealing with "normal" reactions. This is exacerbated by the power of his position.
He suffers no guilt from anything caused by his manipulation and greed and lies, including the suffering of children. He uses taxpayer money whenever he wants for whatever he wants, with an attitude of entitlement.
He never puts things in writing, "infers" what he wants from his underlings, and has others do anything that might threaten his position or persona. "Plausible deniability" is the name of his game.
Basically, he illustrates with Jesus said: "The children of this world are wiser in dealing with their own kind than are the children of light."
As for health, good genes are a real thing, and he likely has them, which is why he has escaped certain serious illnesses such as cancer. The minor issues, like colds/flu, he avoids by keeping his distance from people AND animals and going to certain extremes to avoid "contamination." For garden-variety ills, like high blood pressure, we don't actually know, since his physicians always seem to be compromised in some way. No one is allowed to actually "look under the hood." But he is not untouched: Look at his photos during the campaign, and look at him now. Things are happening on the inside that are starting to show on the outside.
In the end, he is a common con man of uncommon talent. The only reason he has lasted this long in office is through the shield of people around him, who have kept him from complete policy implosion.
Congress MUST do its job. The media MUST keep reporting and informing. And the citizens of America MUST educate themselves and take this situation seriously.
Trump's base wants to go back to an era that never actually existed. Greatness does not lie in the past. What we need is greatness moving forward, for ourselves and the world. The Bible says, "Without a vision, the people perish." This country needs that vision, a positive one to replace Trump's negative one, and it is up to our Democratic candidates to provide it.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)The only thing he's vulnerable to is.....
G_j
(40,366 posts)It seems a lot went down around the Iraq war that has never been accounted for either, and that was very evil.
Rambling Man
(249 posts)Dubya was never president.
Go back to sleep.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)Makes you go, "hmmm..."