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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:03 PM May 2019

What evil force drives and protects Trump?

Trump never tires of lying. He never tires attacking people. I have never seen Trump catch a cold. I never seen him lose his voice. It is very abnormal. He has little trouble finding a seemingly endless group of people who will break the law for him. These people watch people who risk their freedom protecting Trump go to prison. People still break the law to protect him. They volunteer in some cases. What power does he hold over these people?

Trumps luck seems never to run out. No matter what foolish mistakes he makes, no matter how incompetent he is, no matter what crimes he commits, he never pays a heavy price. Even the Mueller report, which should have destroyed Trump had little effect.


There is something evil at work here that I do not understand. I only know it is extremely dangerous because it is completely abnormal.

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What evil force drives and protects Trump? (Original Post) shockey80 May 2019 OP
He worships his own emoji C_U_L8R May 2019 #1
People, People, People DENVERPOPS May 2019 #71
This is why I cringed when Trump brought in PNAC member John Bolton. CaptainTruth May 2019 #96
7 deadly sins. Iliyah May 2019 #2
Could it be... Satan? The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #3
Beat me to it!!!! spanone May 2019 #17
Jared's address is 666 - true story lame54 May 2019 #83
Jared ooks like Damien Thorne from The Omen sop May 2019 #98
It's entirely possible! red dog 1 May 2019 #84
I am not a religious person montanacowboy May 2019 #4
I've been thinking the same thing about the anti christ thing kimbutgar May 2019 #7
I know Christians who believe this. murielm99 May 2019 #74
MAGA is certainly not the mark of the best. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #10
Oh really? I disagree. OMGWTF May 2019 #25
Maybe it's the mark of the *beast* but it definitely isn't the mark of the best. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #28
The word MAGA means "combat" in Hebrew. harumph May 2019 #27
thats why MAGAT MFM008 May 2019 #62
Mark of the least snort May 2019 #43
We've seen it before - many many times. Hitler, Mussolini, Caligula, Nero Texin May 2019 #35
I'm not a religious person either, but it seems these characters fit a significant pattern of RKP5637 May 2019 #48
I agree with you. MicaelS May 2019 #45
Years ago, I read that recovery from a fatal wound would be a sign. yonder May 2019 #78
Yes. n/t MicaelS May 2019 #87
Now wait just a darn minute here, folks! luvtheGWN May 2019 #117
It did. Ronald Reagan. yankeepants May 2019 #128
What's an example of an apparently fatal wound? Mariana May 2019 #105
Impeachment? Feebeeps May 2019 #108
He wouldn't be the first to "survive" an impeachment. Mariana May 2019 #110
A wound to the head. MicaelS May 2019 #120
Well, if he isn't, he'll do 'til the Anti Christ gets here. Ligyron May 2019 #52
Cool reference Bradshaw3 May 2019 #104
According to my Southern Baptist roots, he isn't popular enough... JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #101
Did your SIL believe Obama was the Antichrist? Mariana May 2019 #121
He wants to be a Street Preacher one-day, what do you think? JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #125
I think I'd have to follow up on the subject of Obama Mariana May 2019 #126
Trump's too much of a smoothbrain to be the Antichrist. backscatter712 May 2019 #102
TRUMP is the so called "Anti Christ" ,,,,,, i firmly believe this trueblue2007 May 2019 #129
conspiracy theory or truth trueblue2007 May 2019 #130
He is The Beast made flesh. LuvNewcastle May 2019 #5
Yeah!!! Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #49
"Oh what a wicked web he saidsimplesimon May 2019 #6
Damian Clarity2 May 2019 #8
Greed and Gluttony Blue Owl May 2019 #9
Add to that: pride, anger, sloth, lust and envy. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #11
Unlike what the evangelicals believe lsewpershad May 2019 #12
That pretty well sums it all up. nancy1942 May 2019 #32
Don't believe that saying Scarsdale May 2019 #46
Yep, they use him as a tool! n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #50
Trump is a condensation of the worst of the United States incarnate PufPuf23 May 2019 #13
I never belived in Satan. Beginning to wonder. nt leftyladyfrommo May 2019 #14
Oh the Dark One is definitely in charge right now. No question! Initech May 2019 #16
It's obvious that he'd rather reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #23
I'm with ya. I stopped believing in God nearly 20 years ago and Satan before that. Texin May 2019 #79
A steady 24/7/365 diet of Fox News and AM hate radio? Initech May 2019 #15
THIS Cosmocat May 2019 #19
The DEFCON 1 stupid in this country Cosmocat May 2019 #18
This. Right wing media saturates the news cycles BlancheSplanchnik May 2019 #73
Unless Cosmocat May 2019 #90
He is an authoritarian populist. He feeds off the dark emotions of his followers marylandblue May 2019 #20
Exactly . this isn't complicated. as for his health, that's genetic Kurt V. May 2019 #56
And being a germophobe. colorado_ufo May 2019 #118
The evil force is the corrupt trumper allies [voters, bribers, bribees, haters, etc.] empedocles May 2019 #21
He's a germophobe, which might explain why he doesn't get colds. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #22
A germaphobe who raw dogs a porn star does not compute. OMGWTF May 2019 #26
I know, but maybe he doesn't kiss them. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #29
That involves an impulse notorious for inducing "does not compute" behavior JHB May 2019 #41
Greed. sarcasmo May 2019 #24
NOBODY is that lucky forever. DinahMoeHum May 2019 #30
As many megalomaniacs and sociopaths..... citizen blues May 2019 #31
Well said. nancy1942 May 2019 #33
Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #57
But this is how ALL things go, all the great stories. . . until the tide changes. pdsimdars May 2019 #34
I am a year younger than him. I eat better and get lots more exercise, yet rzemanfl May 2019 #36
Remember the Doc said he "had good genes". Desert grandma May 2019 #68
Grandfather. That was another of Drumpf's lies. rzemanfl May 2019 #72
Yes. So True. Desert grandma May 2019 #91
Certainly an hypothesis can be drawn in which Trumpy made a deal with the Devil. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #37
The problem is humanity LostinRed May 2019 #38
Right wing radio for one. Very powerful Blues Heron May 2019 #39
I ask people this same question. What in the world does Trump have over people? UCmeNdc May 2019 #40
He uses other people's hate to his advantage Ohioboy May 2019 #55
Excellent point, and really the core tactic he uses ... channeling others hatred to do his bidding RKP5637 May 2019 #61
The evil force that is protecting tRump*??? Raster May 2019 #42
Do not be fooled that he and his cronies are incompetent Perseus May 2019 #44
I'm not at all religious, but I am honestly beginning to believe in the Anti-Christ. smirkymonkey May 2019 #47
We all know he's a sith lord.... Lady Freedom Returns May 2019 #51
I have found throughout life that those with no consciences actually seem to have little stress Ohioboy May 2019 #53
Well said!!! There are lots of evil and despicable people in the world and tRump has the ability RKP5637 May 2019 #54
Dorian Trump has a nasty portrait of himself in the attic of Trump Tower. rickford66 May 2019 #58
It's not a supernatural force like "evil" but a personality disorder misanthrope May 2019 #59
Human stupidity. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #60
The one question I have is... yuiyoshida May 2019 #63
He's just really good at manipulating people. n/t PoliticAverse May 2019 #64
Evil Forces marieo1 May 2019 #65
The GOP and their minions attacking the Dems. Ninsianna May 2019 #66
SMH kytngirl May 2019 #67
Well said. It's pretty clear what was taught to live a Christian life. Basic Golden Rule stuff. yonder May 2019 #80
TY Your words are my thoughts as well! bluestarone May 2019 #95
Do you think Trump is possessed? Mariana May 2019 #107
One thing only: The corrupt GOP Senate. mtnsnake May 2019 #69
His Luck is clothed in the presidency. That's the basis of his luck. His evil is indeed ancianita May 2019 #70
Well, how do you explain the 50+ years that preceded his presidency*? Texin May 2019 #82
His luck was his money for 50+ years. I read earlier around here something about his luck. ancianita May 2019 #85
Yikes! I hadn't thought about this, your right he never gets sick. The other stuff, I just assumed dewsgirl May 2019 #75
I've said it in wonder over and over: tRump never has a glove put on him. Texin May 2019 #81
LoL it's flipping crazy. Nothing touches this freak, not corruption, not germs. He's like one dewsgirl May 2019 #89
His luck will run out before saidsimplesimon May 2019 #76
Because in reality, he is Roy Cohn's secret love child. no_hypocrisy May 2019 #77
Could he be the AntiChrist? red dog 1 May 2019 #86
Not by definition 1. Mariana May 2019 #109
According to Merriam-Webster, Definition # 2 does apply to "the" Antichrist. red dog 1 May 2019 #123
Where is the national will to combat the evil? Boomerproud May 2019 #88
The Father of Lies, if you want a name The Blue Flower May 2019 #92
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men patphil May 2019 #93
All I know is that he is absolute evil joe_stampingbull May 2019 #94
Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile Bozvotros May 2019 #97
Donald Trump is the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins: sop May 2019 #99
Apathy grantcart May 2019 #100
There is a thread here murielm99 May 2019 #103
Greed. Hatred. Fear. (nt) emmaverybo May 2019 #106
yup, same as what drives his fucked up fans Skittles May 2019 #111
I don't know why anyone with a brain and a mind would support this awful, evil prick. mwb970 May 2019 #112
In a way, he is like a Boy Scout - he prepares. kentuck May 2019 #113
Sociopath and Malignant Narcissist ravencalling May 2019 #114
Grandma said, The devil takes care of his own ..... for awhile! RambleTamble May 2019 #115
Is anyone here familiar with the F. Paul Wilson book series about Repairman Jack? Texin May 2019 #116
Yes, he IS dangerous beyond belief colorado_ufo May 2019 #119
It's as if he's the Night King. fescuerescue May 2019 #122
I hear ya, but G_j May 2019 #124
None of that stuff happened Rambling Man May 2019 #127
Have you noticed you never see Trump and Satan in the same place at the same time? LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2019 #131
John Fugelsang said it best. GreenEyedLefty May 2019 #132

DENVERPOPS

(8,679 posts)
71. People, People, People
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:19 PM
May 2019

It is not Trump, it is not McConnell they are just useful pawns, distractions and protectors of Republicans doing all the work they want done.
It is high ups in the Republican Party that are truly organizing and orchestrating all of this.

Read the 1997 Republican Document called: Project New American Century. The entire report is public information!!!!
(esp the part how they needed a "Pearl Harbor type tragedy" (Think /11) to kick start the whole process!!)
Anybody heard anything from Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and that whole crowd???? Hell no, they are busy night and day, ever since Obama won directing the Republicans from the side lines, and using the PNAC as a check off list for the Republicans and Corporations dominating everything for ever more....

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
96. This is why I cringed when Trump brought in PNAC member John Bolton.
Mon May 6, 2019, 10:41 PM
May 2019

Bolton has not given up on the PNAC goal of "transforming the Middle East" by invading countries & overthrowing their governments, the PNAC vision of an "imperial America."

Iran was on their list but they got bogged down in Iraq & Afghanistan. When Trump brought Bolton in I said it would just be a matter of time before Bolton started pushing the PNAC agenda again, to finish the job they started ... war with Iran.

And look what just happened...

U.S. sending aircraft carrier, strike force to Mideast to warn Iran

[link:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-aircraft-carrier-abraham-lincoln-carrier-strike-group-bomber-task-force-iran-middle-east/|

montanacowboy

(6,052 posts)
4. I am not a religious person
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:10 PM
May 2019

however, I have been thinking for a long time that this person could be the so called "Anti Christ"

He fits all the descriptions, and his followers are many and slavish

The MARK OF THE BEST which his followers wear is MAGA on their foreheads (on their red ballcaps)

Just think of it, all his life he has been untouchable, no matter what kind of evil he commits, cheating, lying, breaking all laws,
every evil deed known to mankind and he skates through life. Think about it.

We have NEVER seen the likes of this evil and it will be damn hard to destroy it.

kimbutgar

(20,882 posts)
7. I've been thinking the same thing about the anti christ thing
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:15 PM
May 2019

He eats a terrible diet, never sleeps and looks terrible yet everyday he spouts evil stuff as if the devil’s got his back.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
74. I know Christians who believe this.
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:49 PM
May 2019

One of them is my own brother.

I know that some of them pray for 45's death every day.

(Maybe Pence does, too).

Texin

(2,585 posts)
35. We've seen it before - many many times. Hitler, Mussolini, Caligula, Nero
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:48 PM
May 2019

They have their season and then they pass from existence. They do great evil and many suffered and died, and many will and have been destroyed by tRump as with the others. I believe this will get much, much worse before it's over. I would like to believe that we can survive this onslaught this time as others have in the past, but my hopes are dimmed. We've never seen what's happening now at a time that coincides with how greatly challenged existence on this planet is so perilously poised on its survival.

I am not a religious person, but I have read the Book of Revelation and other prophetic chapters of the Bible, and no time in history seems to be more similar to what is depicted within those pages as now. It seems as if there is an inimical force set loose with persons like tRump and other autocrats the spokespeople of its agenda with devoted acolytes.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
48. I'm not a religious person either, but it seems these characters fit a significant pattern of
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:19 PM
May 2019

behavior ... as you say, "It seems as if there is an inimical force set loose with persons like tRump and other autocrats the spokespeople of its agenda with devoted acolytes." It could even be in the great cosmos some type of interactive electromagnetic force (whatever) of some type wherein there is some juxtaposition/alignment of forces. I'm having difficulty right now expressing it in words, but I'm quite sure you get my drift.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
45. I agree with you.
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:10 PM
May 2019

If he suffers an apparently fatal wound, and recovers, then he is the Antichrist in my book.

yonder

(9,631 posts)
78. Years ago, I read that recovery from a fatal wound would be a sign.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:19 PM
May 2019

Whether believing it or not, I've kept that tucked away. Just in case.

If I recall, after that recovery all hell is supposed to break loose.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
117. Now wait just a darn minute here, folks!
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:47 AM
May 2019

The Book of Revelation was apparently a "nightmare" or maybe simply an hallucination of John. And as for biblical prophecies -- well, it's pretty easy to to claim that those prophecies came true, especially when the narrative after the fact oh so handily explains what actually happened.

Those who take the Christian Bible (New Testament) literally have a thing or two to learn about the Old Testament. Most Jewish scholars don't believe Moses parted the Red Sea, or that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, or that Daniel survived the lion's den. Those and other such stories are simply allegories, which encourage the flock to believe in God.

And as for Nostradamus -- well, his verses were so vague that many, many world events could easily be attributed to his predictions.

Do you remember that ghastly Hal Lindsay who wrote "The Late, great Planet Earth"? I think he or maybe someone else wrote those "Left behind" books too. There are far too many gullible people who believe that crap, and religious shysters (in TV, in print and in politics) push it and push it.

Some of you claim you're non-religious (I myself became a non-theist when my common sense stepped in many years ago), and yet you seem to be worried about an anti-Christ. Trump is evil incarnate (no conscience, no morals, his only "god" is greed) and yes, there ARE people like that in this world, and there always will be. He was born with a silver spoon, and turned it into gold, but he hasn't been unremittingly lucky during his life, and his time to pay the piper WILL come. We can only hope that happens before he destroys the US, and takes other countries down with him

yankeepants

(1,979 posts)
128. It did. Ronald Reagan.
Wed May 8, 2019, 03:56 AM
May 2019

Last edited Wed May 8, 2019, 04:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Recovered from what should have been a fatal gunshot and went on to bring us this current shit show. Tada!

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
105. What's an example of an apparently fatal wound?
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:09 AM
May 2019

What kind of injury would convince you, if he received it and survived?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
120. A wound to the head.
Tue May 7, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019

That is what many believe. If he receives a serious head wound and survives that, then IMO he's the Antichrist.
And a serious head wound could even mean a stroke.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
52. Well, if he isn't, he'll do 'til the Anti Christ gets here.
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:26 PM
May 2019

Cause this really is no country for old men.

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
101. According to my Southern Baptist roots, he isn't popular enough...
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:37 AM
May 2019

The AC is supposed to admired far and wide across the globe ...

but as I told my evangelical SIL, "No I don't think DT is the AC, but it sure has shown me how blindly you will follow someone... and THAT scares me the most".

Now DT being a forerunner of the AC and a prophet... Hmmmmm....

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
121. Did your SIL believe Obama was the Antichrist?
Tue May 7, 2019, 04:22 PM
May 2019

That idea was very popular among the Evangelicals, while he was in office.

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
125. He wants to be a Street Preacher one-day, what do you think?
Wed May 8, 2019, 12:01 AM
May 2019

.. but seriously, his dad is an evangelical preacher and I think he has an uncle who preaches as well.

We have pretty much steered clear of politics until I visited over New Years and then some reason we were sitting there (may be because I recently re-joined (a progressive) church...

and he just blurts out, "Trump is the best thing that ever happened for Christians'.

After I picked my jaw completely up from the floor, he got 'the speech'.. which of course was in his house and I had to apologize for my 'tone' later on.. but i stood by my comments.

SCARY (this is in central Alabama.. haven't lived there in 25 years now.. I escaped).

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
126. I think I'd have to follow up on the subject of Obama
Wed May 8, 2019, 03:49 AM
May 2019

before I would consent to having a conversation about Trump. I can think of all kinds of awkward questions I'd feel compelled to ask. "For years, you fervently believed that Obama was the Beast of the Revelation, yes? Do you still think Obama is the Antichrist? Why did you think that in the first place? What made you change your mind? Since you were 100% wrong about Obama being the Antichrist, why should I trust your evaluation of Trump? Aren't you just as likely to be as wrong now as you were then?" Etc.

trueblue2007

(17,138 posts)
129. TRUMP is the so called "Anti Christ" ,,,,,, i firmly believe this
Wed May 8, 2019, 04:47 AM
May 2019





it is believed that the 16th-century prophet even managed to predict Trump’s presidential win: “The great shameless, audacious bawler. He will be elected governor of the army: The boldness of his contention. The bridge broken, the city faint from fear.”

Now, it is believed that when Nostradamus spoke about the Anti-Christ he was referring to the newly appointed, 45th president of the United States: Donald Trump.

Those who have followed the predictions by Nostradamus firmly argue that Trumps it the Anti-Christ who will cause World War 3, and to back up their claims they point to the following verses written down by Michel de Nostradame hundreds of years ago:

The False Trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws. From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

The trumpet shakes with great discord. An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven: the bloody mouth will swim with blood; the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground. https://www.ancient-code.com/nostradamus-saw-trump-anti-christ-wholl-trigger-world-war-3/

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
6. "Oh what a wicked web he
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:12 PM
May 2019

weaves, always thinking it best to deceive." I will not mourn his death should the reaper check him out before me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
11. Add to that: pride, anger, sloth, lust and envy.
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:22 PM
May 2019

So you've got all seven of the deadly sins wrapped up in one flabby orange package.

nancy1942

(635 posts)
32. That pretty well sums it all up.
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:46 PM
May 2019

I remember when Krushschev said that we would destroy ourselves without the Russians having to fire one shot. I never dreamed that it would all happen in my lifetime....but it seems to be the case. I underestimated just how truly evil the Republicans and the evangelicals actually were. With their eager help our country is being destroyed.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
46. Don't believe that saying
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:11 PM
May 2019

"There is no honor among thieves" The group of thieves and con men surrounding the orange ass are all complicit, protecting him. I doubt very much they do it because they actually "like" him, they probably recognize how unfit he is just as we do. There is something in it for them, money, prestige something.

PufPuf23

(8,688 posts)
13. Trump is a condensation of the worst of the United States incarnate
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:28 PM
May 2019

Too many people worship Trump as living out their what-should-be-embarrassing-and-shameful personal tendencies and desires.

So many enablers. The worst of the United States is on parade. Alas.

Initech

(99,914 posts)
16. Oh the Dark One is definitely in charge right now. No question!
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:49 PM
May 2019

I've been saying since the election that this country turned from "hope and change" to "go fuck yourself, you PC douchebags!"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
23. It's obvious that he'd rather reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:20 PM
May 2019

He's working hard to make America Hell again.

Texin

(2,585 posts)
79. I'm with ya. I stopped believing in God nearly 20 years ago and Satan before that.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:34 PM
May 2019

Now I'm beginning to wonder.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
18. The DEFCON 1 stupid in this country
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:54 PM
May 2019

He didn't just up and happen.

It took decades of right wing media skull fucking this country because this country just can't stop indulging their fuckwittery.

He is a flaming moron, but his one master skill is manipulating weak people, and the republican party softened up the ground for him.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
73. This. Right wing media saturates the news cycles
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:39 PM
May 2019

It’s the voice of evil, effectively brainwashing its audience. We ignore it as if it were merely background noise, but it’s dangerous. I wish I knew what to do about it.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
90. Unless
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:57 PM
May 2019

The "middle 1/3" get their heads out of their asses with the they both are the same b*******, there's nothing we can do.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
20. He is an authoritarian populist. He feeds off the dark emotions of his followers
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:05 PM
May 2019

and they reward him with power.

As for his enablers, there has never been a shortage of people willing to sell their souls for power.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
56. Exactly . this isn't complicated. as for his health, that's genetic
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:32 PM
May 2019

and a lifetime of excellent health care.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
22. He's a germophobe, which might explain why he doesn't get colds.
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

He probably has minions wipe everything down with bleach after the common people touch it. The rest of it is probably because nobody expected a president to ever do the shit he's doing and nobody knows how to deal with it.

JHB

(37,131 posts)
41. That involves an impulse notorious for inducing "does not compute" behavior
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:58 PM
May 2019

And Trump was never known for restraining his impulses.

citizen blues

(570 posts)
31. As many megalomaniacs and sociopaths.....
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:45 PM
May 2019

Trump has a kind of charisma that keeps drawing people in who are willing to fall on their swords for him.

He's also backed by a party that has embraced winning at all costs since the 60s. A party that has absolutely no hesitation to commit treason, lie, cheat, and steal their way into office. This issue is so much bigger than Trump. If it weren't for greedy oligarch wannabes hanging onto his faux coattails, he would be nobody.

The GOP has co-opted the evil greed of charismatic megachurch pastors who continually sucker people out their life savings. They have had decades of an all-out propaganda war through FOX and right-wing radio while at the same time, gutting the publishing industry.

The Republican party has been involved in an assault on and dismantling of American democracy for 50 years. This is a party that must be relegated to the history books. This is a party that we must see dismantled. This is a party that needs to be prosecuted from top to bottom for their crimes as a warning to future generations.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
36. I am a year younger than him. I eat better and get lots more exercise, yet
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:51 PM
May 2019

I get the flu, backaches, sniffles, etc. I currently have a cataract that needs attention. There is something weird about Drumpf. I suspect he gets a lot of drugs we don't hear about.

Desert grandma

(802 posts)
68. Remember the Doc said he "had good genes".
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:08 PM
May 2019

This could be a real factor in his good fortune. My 92 year old mother is from Germany originally. She's from Bavaria as was the Orange Buffoon's father. My mom is 92, her brother is 90, and her sister is 85. They are very healthy. They are rarely sick and take minimal medicines. My mom smoked until she was 80. Perhaps it was a genetic adaptation to living through WW2 and the food and medical deprivation they endured. Unfortunately, I think this bozo in the White House has genes that protect him from his lifestyle. Hopefully, it will catch up with him sooner rather than later. This makes more sense to me than a demonic evil force of some kind, although he is certainly an evil, demonic person to be sure.

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
72. Grandfather. That was another of Drumpf's lies.
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019

He certainly hasn't genes for intelligence, empathy or a full head of hair. Remember the doctor also said he was taller than he is and weighs less than he does.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
37. Certainly an hypothesis can be drawn in which Trumpy made a deal with the Devil.
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:51 PM
May 2019

And everything stemming from that deal is now available for all of us to see in real life. Shockey80 makes an imaginative story line. I'd rather use his post as a working analogy. It's AS IF Trumpy made a deal with the Devil. For those interested in religious/biblical frames of reference, there's a lot of meat with very little fat. Were I so inclined to use this frame of reference, I'd have a field day with how Satan is whispering in Trumpy's ear at all hours of the day and night, being his valued friend, with Trumpy listening intently to every word. Trumpy reportedly studied the speeches of unarguably the most evil person in the 20th century, Adolph Hitler, in the 1980s. He's lifted Hitler's words about Jews right out of Hitler's speeches, to vilify doctors and new mothers who, he falsely claimed are routinely having discussions about executing newborns.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
38. The problem is humanity
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:53 PM
May 2019

Unfortunately we’re the worst animal on the planet. These MAGA people are the same that followed Hilter, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Manson, Jim Jones and countless other leaders. It’s infuriating because Trump is so incompetent it’s incomprehensible to the rest of us that anyone would support him. It isn’t luck or evil it the political system, the media and spineless politicians that keep him in power.

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
40. I ask people this same question. What in the world does Trump have over people?
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:55 PM
May 2019

Trump has some kind of power to influence people. They follow and believe his outlandish lies as if they have no mind and thoughts of their own. What kind of power does he have to have t his effect on normal people?

I just do not see the reasons for their blind obedience and loyalty to him.

Ohioboy

(3,222 posts)
55. He uses other people's hate to his advantage
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:30 PM
May 2019

I know people who have told me the main reason they voted for Trump was to "stick it to the libs".

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
61. Excellent point, and really the core tactic he uses ... channeling others hatred to do his bidding
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:35 PM
May 2019

for him!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
47. I'm not at all religious, but I am honestly beginning to believe in the Anti-Christ.
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:11 PM
May 2019

I can think of no logical explanation for this man's success.

Ohioboy

(3,222 posts)
53. I have found throughout life that those with no consciences actually seem to have little stress
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:26 PM
May 2019

This may be anecdotal, but I've had the displeasure of meeting several habitual liars in my life. They just don't care, and don't seem to be personally affected by their lies. They feel no stress about what they are doing, and as a result can sleep well and stay healthy. The only thing that might bother them is that someone is against them, but since they take no responsibility it's all the other person's fault. It's even worse when the habitual liar has power, like a boss, that can't be fired. They can go through life for long periods of time without any consequences. Those affected by their lying are often powerless to do anything about it, and remain quiet.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
54. Well said!!! There are lots of evil and despicable people in the world and tRump has the ability
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:28 PM
May 2019

to unite them to do his evil bidding. In some ways similar to Jonestown, Heaven's Gate and the like ... people willing to fall on their swords to enable and benefit tRump.

misanthrope

(7,405 posts)
59. It's not a supernatural force like "evil" but a personality disorder
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:33 PM
May 2019

He has no conscience and has lived his life in a position where he never had to pay the price for such. In fact, it worked to his advantage much in the way sociopathy and psychopathy work to the advantage of those who ascend corporate and political ladders. Check out the 2006 book "Snakes in Suits" for a more detailed look.

How does he draw folks to him? Well, he doesn't draw all folks but rather the weak-minded, the intellectually challenged, those with character flaws and tribalists. He's no Svengali but just a standard con man.

yuiyoshida

(41,762 posts)
63. The one question I have is...
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:38 PM
May 2019

How do we get his ass our of office? besides voting him out and will he say the system is rigged? The Senate will not impeach him.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
65. Evil Forces
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:46 PM
May 2019

You have just expressed my views completely!! I just don't understand it either. There isn't a law abiding citizen on this planet that would support him after some of the horrible things he says and does. I guess, I feel his supporters must be carbon copies of DJT with no desire to be a law abiding citizens. They applaud DJT for his brazenness, stupidity, meanness, hatefulness, they love it. Obviously they hate our country, too, and want it to go "belly up"!! I do not understand why his supporters do stand up to him and call him out for his behavior!!

kytngirl

(99 posts)
67. SMH
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:57 PM
May 2019

I'm not religious but I am a believer and follower of Christ. I know a little bit about the Bible. Having said this, I can understand how some people scratch their heads at the Trump followers. Women who wear homemade t-shirts that say "Trump can grab my pu**y anytime". I bet these women are in church front & center every Sunday. Or evangelicals who say this man was appointed/annointed by God.

This is a man who raped his wife, a serial adulterer, a man who admitted on radio that he lusts for his daughter, a man who proudly states that he has never, ever changed the diaper of any of his 5 children, he has admitted to assaulting women, a man who misquoted not only Scripture, but doesn't know the correct pronunciation of a familiar book of the Bible. Yet evangelicals love him! I don't even pretend to understand.

What I do know is that the Bible speaks of "types" of antichrists. People who are so inherently evil that one can only surmise that they are under the influence of Old Scratch himself - Satan. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. God's fruit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfullness, gentleness, self control. Do we see any of these attributes in Trump? Of course not, what we see are the works of the flesh; adultery, fornication, envy, seditions, hatred, strife - and this is not even a complete list!

The question remains, why are people, especially evangelicals supporting someone so anti-Christ?

yonder

(9,631 posts)
80. Well said. It's pretty clear what was taught to live a Christian life. Basic Golden Rule stuff.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:38 PM
May 2019

And your last question remains a question: Why?

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
107. Do you think Trump is possessed?
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:32 AM
May 2019

Is that what you mean when you say, "People who are so inherently evil that one can only surmise that they are under the influence of Old Scratch himself - Satan."

The Evangelicals believe his sins have been forgiven. They also say that God has often worked through highly flawed people. It's hard to argue with them on that point, since the Bible is stuffed with stories in which God favors and blesses men who did much worse things than Trump has ever done.

It's not just the Evangelicals, either. The majority of all Christian voters went for Trump in 2016 - 58% of Protestants, 52% of Catholics, and 61% of Mormons.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
70. His Luck is clothed in the presidency. That's the basis of his luck. His evil is indeed
Mon May 6, 2019, 04:15 PM
May 2019

a poison on the body politic, which is sickly.

But his luck will run out, even if we can't see daylight yet.

Personally, I think if he has luck, it will turn if/when he turns to Putin to get his reward.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
85. His luck was his money for 50+ years. I read earlier around here something about his luck.
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:08 PM
May 2019

1.
Back in Trump's 3,500 lawsuit days, law enforcement saw Trump as a silly, petty, conman grifter who primarily harmed other grifters like himself. He, his half-assed lawyers and accountants created layer after layer of entities and transactions they knew would be too difficult to sort through.

Back then, Trumpsters thought law enforcement stayed away because they were criminal masterminds.

But actually, back then, law enforcement thought it wasn't worth using up limited resources and personnel to take down the penny ante rat who grifted other grifters. They didn't jail him because he wasn't worth it. Fake luck

2.
Today, as president, Trump's big mistake has been to take his grifter schemes and money grubbing lackeys into The White House, The People's House. If he had quit the grift game, law enforcement might have let him, his crime family, and his syndicate slide.

But Trumpsters ramped up their criminality, and Trump used the power of the U.S. presidency not only to globalize his grift, but to marginalize and obstruct federal powers of law and order. Fake luck.

Trump privately and publicly got in federal law enforcement's -- and 16 intelligence agencies' -- faces. He mocked them, lied to the country, undermined them, broke laws, norms, obstructed investigations. Considering all his business failure and refusal of any American banks to do business with him, I'd call that well earned persona non grata luck.

He's used the presidential office to elevate his petty criminality to high crimes and misdemeanors -- lied to cover his traitorous dealings -- federal law enforcement's sworn patriotic duty is to bring this president-in-disguise to justice.

Maybe we just want to call his life lucky. His only luck was hitting the vaginal lottery. The rest of it I'd call bizarre. Luck is about getting something for nothing. It's random. It doesn't happen at the expense of others. They just don't get what the lucky get, but no harm comes to them because of the lucky's gain. But not in Trump's case.

This thing about his being lucky looks more like another of his PR grifts. I just think luck hasn't got one damn thing to do with what he's living right now. Outside winning the lottery, wealth and power are hardly a matter of luck. If it is luck, then he's in luck hell right now, overall. He and his syndicate's grift is to act as if he can game justice indefinitely.

That's a gamble. His good luck is fake. His bad luck is running out to no luck at all.

I like the Velveteen Ocelot reference to John Milton's Satan here.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
75. Yikes! I hadn't thought about this, your right he never gets sick. The other stuff, I just assumed
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:00 PM
May 2019

He is surrounded by power hungry enablers. It is all very weird.

Texin

(2,585 posts)
81. I've said it in wonder over and over: tRump never has a glove put on him.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:38 PM
May 2019

He just goes on and on without consequence despite all the flak he has endured for 50 years, all it the result of his depravity. Not a mark on him. Not one day down for a cold or the flu. Impervious to the consequences of a debauched and gluttonous life. It's perversely remarkable. He's like something out of the X-Files. Or like that State Farm Mayhem Man commercials. Unbelievable.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
89. LoL it's flipping crazy. Nothing touches this freak, not corruption, not germs. He's like one
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:50 PM
May 2019

Of those people in the miracle stories, where the person survives after being shot 9 times or being struck by lightning.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
76. His luck will run out before
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:07 PM
May 2019

many of our children and/or grandchildren are eligible to vote. His epitaph will reflect the spirit of the majority.

May he spend his final days in bed with a big piece of chocolate cake that chokes him or his heart. May he spend his final days fighting a bankruptcy and criminal charges.

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
77. Because in reality, he is Roy Cohn's secret love child.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:13 PM
May 2019

And my mother thought Roy Cohn was a shit in the Fifties. . . . . .

red dog 1

(27,648 posts)
86. Could he be the AntiChrist?
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:13 PM
May 2019

(From Merriam-Webster)

Antichrist

1) "A great antagonist expected to fill the world with wickedness"

2) "Used in an exaggerated way to describe a person regarded as a powerful and malevolent adversary"

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
109. Not by definition 1.
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:38 AM
May 2019

Trump hasn't filled the world with wickedness.

Definition 2 doesn't really apply to the Antichrist, does it?

red dog 1

(27,648 posts)
123. According to Merriam-Webster, Definition # 2 does apply to "the" Antichrist.
Tue May 7, 2019, 05:40 PM
May 2019

Of course, that's assuming there can only be one Antichrist.

The Blue Flower

(5,420 posts)
92. The Father of Lies, if you want a name
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:12 PM
May 2019

The only response to lawlessness is firm application of the law. No waffling.

patphil

(6,033 posts)
93. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:31 PM
May 2019

That evil is TRUMP.
He is the Father of Lies, and he has infected the hearts of tens of millions of Americans.
We are now engaged in a battle for the soul of the nation.
This is no joke.

Patrick Phillips

Bozvotros

(782 posts)
97. Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile
Mon May 6, 2019, 10:47 PM
May 2019

That's the name of the Netflix docudrama on Ted Bundy. It is told largely through the perspective of his wife who believed in him or tried to believe in him right up to his execution, even though it was making her almost psychotically miserable. It's amazing how much Bundy reminds me of a young Trump with the ease he lies, uses and betrays people around him especially those who trust him the most. And especially how he could continue to lie, even in the face of overwhelming evidence against him.

The media was obsessed with Bundy. They were fascinated by his boastful confidence man charm, his assurances of innocence in the face of often overwhelming evidence linking him to unbelievably heinous crimes against dozens of women. But the media wasn't supporting him. Bundy, without the benefit of 24/7 hate radio singing his praises and a massive news network trumpeting his greatness and repeating his lies, still had a large fan club enchanted by him. There were many men and women who believed his claims of innocence and victimhood and were ready to defend him or be seduced by him, no matter what he did.

There were lots of people though that immediately saw what a wicked, evil and vile human being he was. The movie's title was a quote from the judge who sentenced him to death but who also said he bore him no ill will and bemoaned the waste Bundy had made of his life. I didn't get that. I thought of the lives he had ended, ruined, shattered without a glimmer of remorse. I remember at the time, trying to be a good hippie liberal and opposing the death penalty..... until Ted Bundy came along. But I also remember thinking that maybe he didn't kill all those young women because I could not conceive how one person could be that evil. I know better now.

I think Trump is that evil. I remember despising him the first time I ever saw him speak on TV. I saw a totally shallow, arrogant prick who thought he was better than everyone else and whose evil smarm was especially directed towards women. I remember wondering how anyone could watch him on television and not see that he was utterly untrustworthy and capable of almost anything.

I still believe there is almost nothing he hasn't done or wouldn't do to satisfy his own desires, protect himself or advance his own interests. Start WW3? Yes. If his generals let him. Destroy the environment? In a heart beat. Start a second American Civil War? Without a doubt. Raping children? Absolutely. And for some reason there are millions of Americans who will let him do those terrible things or even help him do them. That is the evil force driving Trump along. And that scares me far more than he does.

sop

(9,946 posts)
99. Donald Trump is the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins:
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:05 PM
May 2019

pride, greed, lust, gluttony, wrath, envy and sloth. He's the precise obverse of the seven virtues (as enunciated by Pope Gregory in 590 AD): chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness and humility. Yep, he's the devil.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
103. There is a thread here
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:52 AM
May 2019

about some wingnut who is going to the Clinton's house to protest them. He is inviting others to join him. He claims that Hillary is under satanic protection. I think it is trump who is under satanic protection.

My older relatives assure me that there were many people who thought Hitler was the anti-Christ.

Trump is mortal. I hope his luck and seemingly good health run out before our country and the world are destroyed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212077333

mwb970

(11,299 posts)
112. I don't know why anyone with a brain and a mind would support this awful, evil prick.
Tue May 7, 2019, 07:11 AM
May 2019

I just don't get it. What do they SEE in him?

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
113. In a way, he is like a Boy Scout - he prepares.
Tue May 7, 2019, 07:29 AM
May 2019

But he prepares in a criminal and evil way to protect himself. He has been very successful. He does not think the thoughts of a "normal" individual. Most people do not think about how they can cover their tracks and who they can get to do their dirty work and, all the while, keep his hands clean. He has a criminal mind. One must think like a criminal in order to understand him.

For example, he feels threatened by Robert Mueller this morning. What does he do? He has a little talk with Mitch McConnell, about saving the Republican Party and their legacy, and persuades Mitch to begin the process of closing down the investigation by c haracter assassination of Robert Mueller. He has a lot of faith in PR and propaganda.

ravencalling

(285 posts)
114. Sociopath and Malignant Narcissist
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:06 AM
May 2019

Look at our society. Supposedly ruled by law. It operates well as people follow those laws and social norms. When you go to work in the morning, everyone drives on the right side of the road. Someone sneezes and you get people saying "Bless You!". People do not show up to work naked, most often. Enter the sociopath. I challenge you to look at people in your own circle or experience. I have seen time and time again where people who blatantly do not follow norms to their own advantage do not suffer consequence. They gas light the world around them. People who are not sociopath are not equipped mentally to deal with people who have no inner emotional compass. Our organizations are not equipped to deal with it and our government is not equipped either. Small example. Look at the companies or organizations you work in. How many times have you seen someone who does not follow norms get rewarded, promoted or just have had their behavior ignored while those that follow the rules are literally dumped on, worked to death, fired, etc. I see it every day. When I think of doing the same thing, I hard cringe inside. THAT is the difference. We can't believe that others do not think as we do or have that natural sense of right and wrong. We believe in karma, consequence, law and order, you name it, but we think all of these things protect us or keep the order for us. Yet in practice watch how people become deer in headlights when faced with sociopath behavior or they just believe it cannot be true and they become followers. They keep to the norms, the sociopath does not. And then after some particularly evil deed, there is all of the shock and hand wringing but seemingly no solution. It just can't be true! It must be something we are not seeing right! Something will be done, someone will stand up to them! There is no consequence so the sociopath must be right! Surely this man cannot for instance lust after his own daughter! Sociopaths in my opinion have the ability to cut through our society like butter and it will be our demise. Perhaps some evolutionary kill switch?

RambleTamble

(28 posts)
115. Grandma said, The devil takes care of his own ..... for awhile!
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:53 AM
May 2019


There does seem to be a spiritual force that keeps him going.

Texin

(2,585 posts)
116. Is anyone here familiar with the F. Paul Wilson book series about Repairman Jack?
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:22 AM
May 2019

That particular series has (in its early books) a very science fiction horror aspect about it, but the books become more pointed about the nature of human existence and the challenges between good and evil. Or, more interestingly, the interplay becomes about an alien neutral force - neither pro or con - humanity and the Earth, an inimical "other" force that is decided an antagonistic adversary, and a force for goodness. Emerging about halfway into the series is a weird group called The Kickers, and they embody to a one the very essence of Trumpism. The members engage in vicious and brutal behaviors much like what we saw in Charleston, SC and other places recently.

In any event, the whole premise of the book series is so eerily familiar and oh so much like what I see play out on television and on Twitter that it's surreal. The Repairman Jack series actually morphed from the first book in the series, The Tomb, which Wilson calls The "Adversary Cycle" and continues through the "Repairman Jack Novels" (though Jack is party of the Adversary Cycle as well). This series also had one of his novels, The Keep, which was first published in 1981 - so the premise behind the books was developing even that early on. The entire cycle of the series is ending soon with the publication of Wilson's last book The Last Christmas, which is being released I believe in September or October.

colorado_ufo

(5,717 posts)
119. Yes, he IS dangerous beyond belief
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:26 PM
May 2019

because he and Putin have plans for the dismantling of America and making it, de facto or more, a part of the new Russian Empire. Putin plans to do it without firing a single shot, and portions of the ignorant in America will be his duped allies in accomplishing this. During the campaign, I heard some say that they didn't care if Russia interfered, as long as it got Trump elected. Trump has always had conflicts over his relationship with his father, who both influenced and brutalized him. Now, he worships "strongmen" and would like to be one himself. I'm sure Putin his offered him the carrots of power, position, wealth, amazing real estate projects, protection, and anything else it is his to grant, and the stick of compromat.

Trump's ability to do anything and get away with it is a result of decades of practice and being taught by family and advisers. It is not that difficult, when he has resources and others don't; he has time on his side, by court delays, and others don't; when he has no constraints of conscience, morals, and empathy, and others do. He is very, very smart in the arenas in which he plays. Now, he also has the support of others in the Republican party, particularly McConnell, who have plans of their own or secrets to protect. People in power do not like to give up that power.

He surrounds himself with people who are either needy or crafty or both. He has also perfected a great "act" of rage, authentic enough to terrify the people around him who are used to dealing with "normal" reactions. This is exacerbated by the power of his position.

He suffers no guilt from anything caused by his manipulation and greed and lies, including the suffering of children. He uses taxpayer money whenever he wants for whatever he wants, with an attitude of entitlement.

He never puts things in writing, "infers" what he wants from his underlings, and has others do anything that might threaten his position or persona. "Plausible deniability" is the name of his game.

Basically, he illustrates with Jesus said: "The children of this world are wiser in dealing with their own kind than are the children of light."

As for health, good genes are a real thing, and he likely has them, which is why he has escaped certain serious illnesses such as cancer. The minor issues, like colds/flu, he avoids by keeping his distance from people AND animals and going to certain extremes to avoid "contamination." For garden-variety ills, like high blood pressure, we don't actually know, since his physicians always seem to be compromised in some way. No one is allowed to actually "look under the hood." But he is not untouched: Look at his photos during the campaign, and look at him now. Things are happening on the inside that are starting to show on the outside.

In the end, he is a common con man of uncommon talent. The only reason he has lasted this long in office is through the shield of people around him, who have kept him from complete policy implosion.

Congress MUST do its job. The media MUST keep reporting and informing. And the citizens of America MUST educate themselves and take this situation seriously.

Trump's base wants to go back to an era that never actually existed. Greatness does not lie in the past. What we need is greatness moving forward, for ourselves and the world. The Bible says, "Without a vision, the people perish." This country needs that vision, a positive one to replace Trump's negative one, and it is up to our Democratic candidates to provide it.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
124. I hear ya, but
Tue May 7, 2019, 05:47 PM
May 2019

It seems a lot went down around the Iraq war that has never been accounted for either, and that was very evil.

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