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Why can't Mueller hand over the unredacted report to Congress? (Original Post) MoonRiver May 2019 OP
There has to be a redaction of grand jury material OR Maeve May 2019 #1
The SC law says the report goes to the AG. manor321 May 2019 #2
Well, he can. Some of the grand jury information and national security comradebillyboy May 2019 #3
Then he should do it, NOW! MoonRiver May 2019 #4
With AG's permission tymorial May 2019 #6
Yes, it's Barr's duty to hand over the report. comradebillyboy May 2019 #7
It is not at all clear that Barr has a "duty" to turn over the unredacted report onenote May 2019 #12
Morally, perhaps... but certainly not legally FBaggins May 2019 #14
Special Counsel is different than an independent counsel tymorial May 2019 #5
Why does he need to follow rules? Ohiogal May 2019 #8
He doesn't have an AG in his back pocket like some do FBaggins May 2019 #13
The unredacted report was made available to the Senate in a special room malaise May 2019 #9
So when Schumer says Mitch is covering up the Cons shit... pbmus May 2019 #10
It's partially unredacted... and the House has the same access as the Senate FBaggins May 2019 #11
Thanks n/t malaise May 2019 #15
Just wondering here bluestarone May 2019 #16
Nope. FBaggins May 2019 #17
TY! bluestarone May 2019 #18
You're correct. FBaggins May 2019 #19
Gotcha! again TY bluestarone May 2019 #20

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
1. There has to be a redaction of grand jury material OR
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:18 PM
May 2019

a judge has to sign off on that material being released

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. The SC law says the report goes to the AG.
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:18 PM
May 2019

The only thing that goes to Congress would be if the AG stopped the SC from doing something.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
3. Well, he can. Some of the grand jury information and national security
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:19 PM
May 2019

matters can be restricted to members with appropriate security clearances.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
12. It is not at all clear that Barr has a "duty" to turn over the unredacted report
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:45 PM
May 2019

Ultimately, it would be up to the courts to make that call. Nothing in the Special Counsel law requires him to do so and whether the law protecting grand jury testimony would apply would be the issue in any event.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. Morally, perhaps... but certainly not legally
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:47 PM
May 2019

He doesn't have the authority - whether or not he arguably has a duty.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
5. Special Counsel is different than an independent counsel
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:23 PM
May 2019

The main difference is the special counsel works at the behest of the attorney general while the independent counsel reported to congress.

The attorney general has a lot of power under the new law and the AG determines and sets jurisdiction not the SC. This meant that Barr could decide that regardless of crimes the president committed, the SC did not have the authority to indict.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/part-600


Ohiogal

(31,909 posts)
8. Why does he need to follow rules?
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:28 PM
May 2019

Donnie and his ilk don't give a rats' ass about following rules. Just sayin'.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
13. He doesn't have an AG in his back pocket like some do
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:46 PM
May 2019

They aren't just "rules"... it's the law and they would not only be able to arrest/prosecute him, but that would also damage his credibility (and thus that of his work product).

malaise

(268,693 posts)
9. The unredacted report was made available to the Senate in a special room
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:34 PM
May 2019

last week. Barr himself said that. There is no excuse to deny access to the House

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
10. So when Schumer says Mitch is covering up the Cons shit...
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:42 PM
May 2019

He knows he is....from reading the unredacted...

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
11. It's partially unredacted... and the House has the same access as the Senate
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:43 PM
May 2019

It's currently restricted to half a dozen senior committee chairmen and ranking members (and, IIRC, one staff person each).

We don't know what proportion of the redacted material is unredacted in this version... and Democrats (at least until a day or so ago) refused to go look at it because they insisted on the whole thing.

Part of the "please don't hold a contempt vote" memo yesterday was an offer to expand the number of members who could see it... but Democrats want it to be the full chamber.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
16. Just wondering here
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:48 PM
May 2019

Could any one of those half dozen committee chairman read this copy on the floor of the House? What would be the consequences if they did?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
17. Nope.
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:52 PM
May 2019

It's being handled like highly-classified material when it's shared with Congress. It's in a DOJ-secured room and those with access can't take in any electronics or remove any of the materials. Notes can be taken, but they have to remain in DOJ custody.

As for consequences? If one of them had a Mike-Ross-level memory and released grand jury testimony or discussed one of the pending prosecutions that had been redacted... he/she would be committing a felony. While Barr appears to be willing to look the other way for some arguable crimes... I doubt he would feel the same way in this case.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
18. TY!
Tue May 7, 2019, 12:55 PM
May 2019

So even Mueller is blocked from releasing the full report to the house (if House requested it) am i right?

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
19. You're correct.
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:02 PM
May 2019

He can't release the full report. His job was to write it and deliver it to the AG (or supervising Deputy AG when the AG was recused).

That doesn't mean that he couldn't be very useful while testifying (if he wants to). It just means that he can't answer questions like "What did McGahn say to the grand jury?" or "Provide us with recordings/transcripts of the FISA-ordered surveillance"

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