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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHonorable Speaker Pelosi, is impeachment still off the table?
Because it seems to me we have crossed the Rubicon.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)She never said that!
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)that now was not the right time. So my question stands: is the time right now?
WhiteTara
(29,702 posts)better informed. If you don't watch fox, what is your excuse?
WhiteTara
(29,702 posts)somewhere along the line. Since you have such passion, I look forward to your 2020 campaign.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)She said there needed to be investigations and the public needed to be brought along
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Or are they just starting?
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)Trump is obstructing all investigations in the House using executive privilege.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Keep up
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)She said it under Bush. Not the right time is not "off the table."
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It's like she gave that impression. I think it got conflated by her statement about Bush. But she was clearly against it and said so. It's in all the main stream sources. So I get your point.
Now to answer your question... I don't know. But she's giving impressions again that it's possible.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)thorough investigations first.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)So now what?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)BTW, the investigations aren't being blocked. Some of the information being sought in the investigations is being withheld, but the investigations are moving forward.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)The executive cannot obstruct an impeachment investigation using executive privilege.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Last edited Thu May 9, 2019, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)
The ruling held that Nixon could not use executive privilege to avoid turning over tapes to the U.S. District Court for an in camera review of whether they contained evidence that was relevant to a criminal case brought by the Special Prosecutor. That criminal case predated and was completely separate from the impeachment and inquiry.
WhiteTara
(29,702 posts)and I'll know you have the chops to make those decisions.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Most of us know that no one has the chops to decide anything here. We do have opinions. I'm happy to see yours.
WhiteTara
(29,702 posts)have more relevance than opinions based on fiction. Pelosi has NEVER said impeachment was off the table. So when we agree on facts, I'll listen to opinions.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)It's like abracadabra. Everyone will release everything. Everyone will testify. The Republicans in the Senate will suddenly sprout wings and become Angels.
Impeachment will fix everything tomorrow.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)using executive privilege. US v Nixon.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)Would apply to all Congressional hearings. It just has to be enforced by the courts.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)wryter2000
(46,032 posts)He resigned before a single impeachment hearing was held.
Articles of impeachment had been drawn up, but none of the hearings that led to that were impeachment hearings.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)An impeachment process against Richard Nixon was formally initiated on February 6, 1974, when the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution, H.Res. 803, giving its Judiciary Committee authority to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed to impeach Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States[1] of high crimes and misdemeanors, primarily related to the Watergate scandal. This investigation was undertaken one year after the United States Senate established a select committee to investigate the 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C. and the Nixon Administration's attempted cover-up of its involvement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon
That process is what the courts ruled was immune to executive privilege. They did not rule that any congressi9onal investigation was immune to executive privilege.
If and when the House starts an impeachment investigation, even this court will have a hard time disagreeing with US v Nixon.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)I watched the hearings on television
On edit: I read the decision in US v Nixon in Constitutional Law class. The Court ruled that executive privilege could not protect the President from criminal investigation.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Those proceedings actually began in May with a hearing that was opened to the public for about 20 minutes before the committee closed it and then conducted the rest of its proceedings in private until July.
U.S. v. Nixon was not related to the impeachment inquiry at all. It a rose from a separate criminal case.
You really should try to get your facts straight before you try to instruct people about U.S. v. Nixon and Watergate.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)You've been here for a while, but let me welcome you, anyway.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Did you even READ U.S. v. Nixon? It sounds like you're haven't since no one who actually read it would so badly mischaracterize it.
I suggest you read the opinion before you try to discuss it any further.
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)on the same executive privilege grounds.
Funtatlaguy
(10,870 posts)Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)on information he has asserted executive privilege on.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
brush
(53,764 posts)testimony to move the public in favor of impeachment. Makes sense don't you think?
athena
(4,187 posts)As it is, it implies that Pelosi has said impeachment was off the table. Your post therefore spreads misinformation. If youre a liberal, why would you want to misinform people? Please demonstrate your honesty by fixing your post.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I certainly hope the legs are sturdy enough to support the weight of so many silver-plated whoppers (served cold, too?)
stillcool
(32,626 posts)has got to be the most annoying, over-used, mis-used, and just false verbiage ever.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)Amen, amen,amen!!!!
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)She probably said that ten years ago. It was during Bush
Locutusofborg
(525 posts)Thats why just in the last few days Speaker Pelosi has said that Trump is goading the Dems to impeach him.
Impeachment is a POLITICAL process. Trump knows that there is no way 20 Republicans would vote him guilty in an impeachment trial to get to the required 67 votes. Therefore he would be officially and constitutionally found to be Not Guilty which he would run on in 2020. Thats exactly what he wants, Senate confirmation of his Not Guilty status.
Locutusofborg
(525 posts)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Wednesday that President Donald Trump is building his own case for impeachment by continuing to stonewall lawmakers in their demand for testimony and documents from the White House.
Hes becoming self-impeachable in terms of some of the things hes doing, Pelosi (D-Calif.) said during a live interview with The Washington Post.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/08/pelosi-trump-self-impeachment-1311038
It looks like the Speaker is in agreement with Voltaire2.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)The speaker has consistently sought to tamp down talk among the Democratic Caucus of impeaching the president
TwilightZone
(25,457 posts)does not equate to impeachment being off the table. It's pretty obvious that she's trying to keep people from jumping the gun.
mcar
(42,300 posts)Please stop misrepresenting our Speaker.
Voltaire2
(13,007 posts)Yes.
Is it the right time yet?
mcar
(42,300 posts)She didn't say that. Instead of correcting your OP, you moved the goalposts.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Rizen
(708 posts)By obstructing congressional investigations every step of the way. Dems are left with little choice.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They know that if impeachment starts immediately, the Democrats will have less to work with and that once the Senate acquits, Trump will have more than a year to refocus the argument, do about 400 new outrageous distractions and make his impeachment an irrelevant distant memory come November 2020.
Fortunately, Pelosi knows that, too and isn't falling into his trap and won't let her caucus fall into it, either.
That's one of the many reasons she's The Speaker
Rizen
(708 posts)This isn't a one shot deal but rather a lengthy process.