Pelosi's delay in bringing Barr's contempt vote to the House floor isn't weakness--it's a plan

[pdsimdars]

Pelosi's delay in bringing Barr's contempt vote to the House floor isn't weakness—it's a plan

The House Judiciary Committee voted on a resolution to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress, but Barr is not in contempt. He won’t be until that resolution is brought to the floor and a citation of contempt is issued by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. And, according to Roll Call, that may not happen anytime soon. On Thursday, Pelosi suggested that there may be a delay before any vote is held on Barr.

But that delay doesn’t represent disinterest on Pelosi’s part, or an intention to keep Democrats from moving down a path that could lead to impeachment. Instead, her actions seem to be part of a plan that Democrats have been discussing over the last few days, one that involves bringing multiple instances of Donald Trump blocking access to information to the courts at the same time.

Pelosi mentioned the efforts to secure testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn that would speak directly to Trump’s efforts to end the Russia investigation. Efforts are apparently underway to create a “package” that would include contempt citations against both Barr and McGahn, as well as statements related to Trump’s massive expansion of privilege and possible attempts to prevent Robert Mueller from testifying. All of this could be taken to the Federal District court in a form that is deliberately tailored to match Article 3 of the impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon.

This isn’t a case of Pelosi dragging her feet or acting as a roadblock for other Democratic actions. At the moment, it appears that everyone is cooperating, with Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff, and members of the Progressive Caucus all pushing toward the same objectives. Democrats haven’t moved to begin impeachment hearings. But everyone, including Democratic leadership, seems to have gotten the message that impeachment may not just be proper, but necessary.

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/9/1856472/-Pelosi-s-delay-in-bringing-Barr-s-contempt-vote-to-the-House-floor-isn-t-weakness-it-s-a-plan

[Rambling Man]

1. as Grandpa used to say:

"Shit or get off the pot."

[hlthe2b]

2. There is strength in accumulating several of these cases before the court...

I"m as impatient as you, but building the strongest argument as well as getting a verdict on multiple cases, is not a bad thing.

[gordianot]

5. I would like to see some get some jail time but figure this will be a civil action.

It will be curious to see what happens when even court decisions are ignored.

[TryLogic]

12. Yes. The case needs to be overwhelming so Republicans will have no choice.

[LiberalLovinLug]

21. How quaint

If you actually think Republicans will ever get to a point they will submit, admit they were wrong, which is how they know their base will see it.

Pelosi and others who are afraid of upsetting the apple cart, fail to realize how this has moved on to where, even if there are small and slow legal wins, it's more about POLITICS than what some judge says somewhere.

Mueller, a lifelong Republican, war hero. If his work can be dismissed then anything can by the decades long conditioning. It's about attacking Trump's house of cards, his image, his fake wealth, his corrupt kids.

Reality TV brought us this monster, and reality TV via hearings, is the only way to defeat this monster.

[Rambling Man]

38. The republicans are fighting for the very last vestiges of white supremacy,

privilege, and prestige.

They are fighting to the death with the rabid extremism of fundamentalist muslim terrorists.

There is no middle ground; no abeyance.

They refuse to be reasoned with and shame no longer exists with them.

[triron]

32. Trump and Barr are fast tracking tyrannical rule and Pelosi says to democrats to proceed cautiously?

Is she burying her head in the sand?

[hlthe2b]

33. No.. they are trying not to have a case thrown out for failing to do their due dilligence.

I'm as impatient, if not more than many here. But, I do believe in being prepared and not falling victim to impulse.

[brandnewday2009]

14. Thank the gods Pelosi is in charge and not

the hordes baying for blood! Calm down, or is time out for you?

[Rambling Man]

37. Don't spank me!

I understand what you're saying.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. As I say, most analogies are not properly analogous. That one particularly not applicable here. . nt

[Rambling Man]

36. It's not an analogy

It's a colloquial saying.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. Of course. It's an analogy by way of a colloquial saying. It is not applicable here. . . . nt

[DownriverDem]

19. Not this time

Did you read the article? Wake up. There's a plan and it's either you don't know it or get it.

[Rambling Man]

35. You don't have to smell shit all day

to know you're in a sewer.

Sometimes, I think people like it.

[Pluvious]

30. You either are trolling us here, or didn't read the piece (nt)

[Rambling Man]

34. Talking about people rather than ideas is trollish behavior.

Don't personalize arguments - mistake number one.

I was just citing ancient wisdom that rings true eternally.

[manor321]

3. Give me a break. This is nonsense.

There is NO excuse for not starting an impeachment inquiry now. NONE. An inquiry is not impeachment! But an impeachment inquiry gives you BETTER access to the very information Pelosi claims she wants.

[StarfishSaver]

17. What information would impeachment hearings give better access to?

And how will they do that?

[DownriverDem]

20. Wake up

Stop attacking our side. You don't know what's going on. Wake up.

[marylandblue]

28. The excuse is that she has a strategy. You can argue it's not the best strategy,

but you can't pretend there is no reason for doing it this way. I am quite sure she has put a lot more thought into her strategy than you have into yours.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Trump can only think one move ahead

One thing's for sure... Democrats are smarter

[DownriverDem]

22. I sure wish

all the attackers of her here would wake up.

[StarfishSaver]

6. Thanks for posting this!

[DeminPennswoods]

7. Schiff said the same last night when he was asked

about his committee issuing contempt charges. He said Dems would likely wait and vote on all contempt citations at the same time rather than going through the process each time a contempt vote passes out of a committee.

[Backseat Driver]

8. OK - I'll buy this is a plan for this particular issue.

The problem is that her colleagues on the floor are, like the public, consumed by it to the exclusion of concrete presentation of solutions to the myriad of issues that face the nation in the face of the farcical administration, so stalling perhaps will ignite somebody to present something/anything to protect the coming elections (IMHO, one of the most important issues in view of the intel findings and the Mueller report.)

[ehrnst]

9. What makes you say this about "her colleagues on the floor?" (nt)

[greblach]

11. Democrats are doing this work too

The House with Democratic leadership is passing bills for healthcare improvements, election security improvements, etc. It is the graveyard that McConnell presides over that is stopping progress...

[DownriverDem]

23. I buy all

their plans. Too many folks here do not know what is going on, but act like they do.

[marylandblue]

29. Or don't recognize strategic decision making when they see it.

[greblach]

10. Pelosi Plan

I am as impatient as everyone else...but I see the wisdom of getting your ducks in a row...

[DownriverDem]

24. Thank you

I'm sick of the attackers.

[Pluvious]

31. When you only get one shot...

You not only hold your breath, but time the squeeze between heartbeats

[KPN]

13. Well then get those other potential

contempt charges in place pronto. Time to get some giddy-up in our step.

[bluestarone]

15. The whole mess is basically a catch 22 (with this RETHUGLICON senate) so

We need to depend on our chosen leaders! It doesn't do any good fighting about things we CANNOT change. Lots of OTHER discussions would be better taking place like getting EVERYONE out to voting! (GO Nancy and all of our DEMOCRATS)!! Long fight ahead BUT i'm confident of victory in 2020!

[Fritz Walter]

18. deranged donnie and his handlers are already whipping up the MAGAts -- and donors -- to fight

As tempting as it may be to start impeachment proceedings now -- before we have the full Mueller report, his tax returns and other evidence -- we need to be strategic right now. Once the full extent of corruption, obstruction, and other high crimes and misdemeanors are within our grasp, we will stand in a more stable position of strength. OK, we're not likely to win over Yertl McTurtle, Graham and other sycophants, but the more intelligent RepubliCON candidates will see poll numbers (and -- with any luck -- campaign donations) drop like a homesick rock, and then they'll stake their careers on getting out of this nightmare reasonably unscathed.

Patience. To quote Sun Tzu: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

[ffr]

25. "All of this could be taken to the Federal District court in a form that is deliberately tailored to

... match Article 3 of the impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon. "

Where is the I'm proud to be called a democrat or I Nancy appreciation threads!!!

[ffr]

26. Perhaps to also coincide with Mueller's testimony on the 15th?

When he can drop his egg on the tRump regime, then Nancy can him them with article 3.

[MontanaMama]

27. I stand with Madame Speaker.

She knows more than we do and I believe she has the best interests of the country in her mind and heart. Nancy has a plan.