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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Thu May 9, 2019, 03:40 PM May 2019

David Frum: Trump Has Just One Trick--And It's Not Working Anymore

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/north-korea-resumes-missile-testing-disregarding-trump/589081/


Trump Has Just One Trick—And It’s Not Working Anymore
The president has a single negotiating move: Take an aggressive position, and then retreat when the bluff is called.
9:23 AM ET
David Frum

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The Times story of the tax returns showed how stock markets did just the same thing in the 1980s. From 1986 to 1989, Trump earned $67.3 million from short-term stock speculation. His method? He would acquire a substantial position in a company, then boast of his takeover intentions. Trump’s words would drive the stock price up. He would then sell at a profit.

The trick worked as long as Trump’s credibility lasted. Which was not long.

In September 1989, Trump tried that familiar trick once too often. He bought a large stake in American Airlines, talked takeover—and was jeered:

“I’m very skeptical of everything this man does,” Andrew Geller, then an airline analyst at Provident National Bank in Philadelphia, told The Associated Press.

Mr. Trump was rebuffed, and the stock price fell sharply. Though at the time his losses were reported to be modest, the new tax return figures show that in 1990, the year he sold his American Airlines stake, Mr. Trump lost $34.9 million on short-term trades, wiping out half his gains from the previous four years.


In the 1980s, Trump was burning through his own money. As president, he’s playing with the wealth and lives of nations. That greater responsibility has not in any way improved his behavior. Greater power has also only temporarily restored his credit. The North Koreans see through him on missile testing. Now the Chinese seem to be doing the same on his trade threats. Trump’s current round of trade threats is failing to elicit trade concessions.

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The world is absorbing the lesson that Wall Street learned in the 1980s. Trump has only one negotiating move: Take an aggressive position, try to deceive others and maybe yourself about your own strength, issue threats you cannot fulfill, and then retreat amid losses if the bluff is called.

But whereas once those losses were denominated in the millions, today they rise to the hundreds of billions. Where once he troubled only those investors credulous enough to take seriously his tycoon image, today he troubles the peace of the world.
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David Frum: Trump Has Just One Trick--And It's Not Working Anymore (Original Post) babylonsister May 2019 OP
He can only do that as long as his tactics are unknown. lunatica May 2019 #1
I still don't understand how that kind of stock market manipulation could be legal. Maven May 2019 #2
how is it so many people knew what a con man / crook Trump is Skittles May 2019 #6
We New Yorkers certainly knew, Skittles Maven May 2019 #11
"He is a walking talking caricature of hetero white male privilege." More like for the wealthy. cstanleytech May 2019 #17
my mum, gone for years now, commenting on Trump Skittles May 2019 #20
Twitter was invented for pompous Twits like Trump. lagomorph777 May 2019 #24
I spent a lot time in NYC in the 90's and tRump* was a joke, even then... Raster May 2019 #26
From what I understand it isn't. Known as a "pump 'n' dump." rurallib May 2019 #8
Wow, I was so confused. I thought "pump 'n' dump" was Trump's strategy with women. lagomorph777 May 2019 #25
Or as the newly installed SCOTUS "judge" would say: FFFF erronis May 2019 #32
The laws have changed since the dot com bust of 2000-2001 VMA131Marine May 2019 #29
Frum: "Reminder Trump's competency not deal-making, it is duping gullible victims" Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #3
Right. He's fooled his idiot base, but not the rest of the world. lindysalsagal May 2019 #4
The biggest difference is that Arger68 May 2019 #5
there's a list a mile long of suppliers and banks and investors and customers who he's screwed over unblock May 2019 #10
Old Jedi mind trick Xipe Totec May 2019 #7
Frum seemed to wake just prior to (our around the time of) the advent of the Tea Party salin May 2019 #9
I'll check out that book. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #13
One of the best articles on what's going on w/Trump's M.O. and Presidency Honeycombe8 May 2019 #12
I was gonna guess his one trick was to blubber. Mc Mike May 2019 #14
Vlad said he'd love to help... czarjak May 2019 #15
Investing in Trump was the best investment Vlad ever made. keithbvadu2 May 2019 #16
Possibly the only time in his life coeur_de_lion May 2019 #21
Trump probably doesn't have a choice. VMA131Marine May 2019 #30
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #19
We get the politicians we deserve playaseeker May 2019 #18
:) Really have to decline the role. We have many good people. Hortensis May 2019 #23
Count me in on that Majority. True Blue American May 2019 #28
The Magabluffer Blue Owl May 2019 #22
playground bully technique. Doesn't work with smart people demigoddess May 2019 #27
Frum also once said, "The battle for power is enormous." Hortensis May 2019 #31
I remember only thinking in the 80s that he was just a wannabe Gordon Gekko. WyattKansas May 2019 #33

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. He can only do that as long as his tactics are unknown.
Thu May 9, 2019, 03:51 PM
May 2019

It was easy for him to pull the wool over people’s eyes when he could keep secrets. He figured he could use the same tactics as President, but didn’t count on the scrutiny he and his family would get. So now he is being exposed again and again and people are getting it.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
2. I still don't understand how that kind of stock market manipulation could be legal.
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:02 PM
May 2019

Just one more fraudulent scheme by Trump that probably should have been prosecuted years ago, but wasn't. Because rich white male.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
6. how is it so many people knew what a con man / crook Trump is
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019

yet he was still able to be INSTALLED INTO THE WHITE HOUSE

Maven

(10,533 posts)
11. We New Yorkers certainly knew, Skittles
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019

It's really amazing how many times he was allowed to slide or given the benefit of the doubt despite obvious criminality. For decades! AND media outlets STILL go out of their way to be generous in their reporting so as not to ascribe malice or dishonesty to his actions when he has made it so clear, so many times, that he is nothing but a malevolent, lying lowlife whose only motivations are to hurt people he doesn't like and to line his own pockets.

He is a walking talking caricature of hetero white male privilege.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
17. "He is a walking talking caricature of hetero white male privilege." More like for the wealthy.
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:49 PM
May 2019

If I did even a tenth of what he has done without that wealth I would be in jail probably.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
26. I spent a lot time in NYC in the 90's and tRump* was a joke, even then...
Fri May 10, 2019, 12:51 PM
May 2019

...it is no wonder that NYC voted AGAINST tRump* almost 10-1.

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
8. From what I understand it isn't. Known as a "pump 'n' dump."
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:29 PM
May 2019

but from what I understand it is hard to prove.

I am no expert on this at all.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
29. The laws have changed since the dot com bust of 2000-2001
Fri May 10, 2019, 01:47 PM
May 2019

What he did then would not be legal now. Elon Musk was assessed a $44 million fine for just tweeting about taking Tesla private only a few months ago.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
3. Frum: "Reminder Trump's competency not deal-making, it is duping gullible victims"
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:19 PM
May 2019

Title paraphrased, exact tweet below:




Regular reminder that Donald Trump’s core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims.


Arger68

(679 posts)
5. The biggest difference is that
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:24 PM
May 2019

when he was just a crappy New York businessman his losses mostly affected just him. Now they potentially affect hundreds of millions of people. If his stupidity starts a world war it would affect billions.

unblock

(52,212 posts)
10. there's a list a mile long of suppliers and banks and investors and customers who he's screwed over
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:56 PM
May 2019

i get your point, it wasn't the whole planet or even the whole country. but his screw-ups were not entirely just bad stock market investing, where mostly his bad decisions would have made other people money.

much of his way of doing business involves paying other people as little as possible, burning suppliers, but knowing that there's a line of suckers around the corner eager to business with a famous person....

salin

(48,955 posts)
9. Frum seemed to wake just prior to (our around the time of) the advent of the Tea Party
Thu May 9, 2019, 04:50 PM
May 2019

I follow his twitter feed, it's pretty insightful for the world view of never trumpers at different stages of wokeness.

I also recommend his book Trumpocracy.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. I'll check out that book.
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:20 PM
May 2019

Yes, Frum is a very intelligent man. So it's helpful that he saw through Trump early on, and began doing pointed articles, interviews, and tweets. I follow him on Twitter, too.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. One of the best articles on what's going on w/Trump's M.O. and Presidency
Thu May 9, 2019, 05:19 PM
May 2019

Besides the Russia infiltration of our govt through him and his family and cohorts, this is one of the best articles I've seen about what Trump has been doing for over two years....and getting away with.

Excellent.

playaseeker

(59 posts)
18. We get the politicians we deserve
Thu May 9, 2019, 06:00 PM
May 2019

Take all Americans, add up their intellect, their interest in governance, their morality and we get what we deserve. People don't vote, that's on us. People are dumb enough to get scammed, again, that one is on America. Trump is a massive indictment of what America has become.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. :) Really have to decline the role. We have many good people.
Fri May 10, 2019, 11:21 AM
May 2019

You can claim to be the average of yourself and crowds of trumpsters, hypocritical zealots, and feckless shirkers if that pleases you, but I'd advise against it. I'm part of the majority who chose Obama twice and our first woman president once.

Of course agree that in a just world all who refused to stand against what the Republican Party has become would get what they're doing to others. If only.




Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Frum also once said, "The battle for power is enormous."
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:31 PM
May 2019

No one should be fooled that our national emergency is all about Trump. It's not, though he is a threat also. But in the big picture, poisonous and dangerous as he is in his current position, he's not even the tip of the RW threat's iceberg, merely the guano that's accumulated on it.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
33. I remember only thinking in the 80s that he was just a wannabe Gordon Gekko.
Fri May 10, 2019, 03:40 PM
May 2019

I have never understood why people fawned over the sleazy used car salesman that he really is.

Nothing has ever changed my opinion of him since the 80s, even after his so called 'success' or con games over the years since.

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