Someone Tell This Ohio Legislator You Can't Move Ectopic Pregnancies Into the Uterus

[Metalmom]

[link:https://rewire.news/ablc/2019/05/09/someone-tell-this-ohio-legislator-you-cant-move-ectopic-pregnancies-into-the-uterus/|

Fresh off the heels of passing one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country, lawmakers in Ohio seem eager to continue chipping away at abortion access.

Enter Ohio Rep. John Becker, aka This Fucking Guy: a Republican who has sponsored a bill that literally defies science. In defending his bill, Rep. Becker has claimed that contraceptives cause abortion (they don’t) and that ectopic pregnancies—in which the embryo implants somewhere other than the uterus, usually the fallopian tube—can be fixed by simply sticking the errant embryo back in the pregnant person’s uterus.

That is not something that can be done. The medical technology does not exist.




This is some VERY scary stuff. In this new round they want to make most birth control illegal. If it blocks a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus, they call it an abortion. I'm past my reproductive years, but I fear for the generations of women behind me.
I know this sounds crazy and over the top, but at this point in our country I can see Handmaid's Tale from here. And it terrifies me.

[cynatnite]

1. My tweet to the idiot...

@BeckerGOP
1. It is 100% impossible to move an embryo from the Fallopian tube to the uterus. Technology does not exist. 2. Birth control pills PREVENT implantation. They do NOT cause abortions. Just stop it. You're putting women's lives at risk with these ramblings. Just stop.

[politicaljunkie41910]

19. Often times the implantation of the egg in the Fallopian Tubes occurs before the woman even knows

she's pregnant. So can we just ignore stupid people with stupid ideas that don't impact their bodies, and possibly their lives.

[cynatnite]

21. Yep. Stupid people like this really piss me off. n/t

[Haggis for Breakfast]

35. This is what happens when there are NO medical experts in the conversation.

[Ohiogal]

2. I am terrified, too.

These hideous Neanderthals are trying to legislate medical procedures that they know absolutely nothing about! F*** these hateful creeps! It makes my blood boil! They are trying to drag women’s rights back into the 19th century!

I also fear for the generations of women behind me who have the most to lose. My best friend’s daughter was just treated for an ectopic pregnancy last December. If this unmentionably cruel policy was in effect, she could have died. It’s total insanity!

Welcome to DU, Metalmom.

[angstlessk]

8. Isn't that practicing medicine without a license?

and against the law?

[cynatnite]

14. Being an idiot isn't illegal...

He wasn't treating a patient. Too bad that talking out of has ass didn't get him arrested.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Leadership, again. I don't know if Trump approves of this, but that's not the point...

He has set the tone where this sort of punitive "morality" is acceptable.

Ignorance, too.

[Peace06]

9. trump approval

If it hurts women, the poor, brown people, middle class or low income Americans or anyone who disagrees with trump, he approves of it.

[Peace06]

4. Another Handmaidens

It doesnt sound crazy to me at all. I am in total agreement. This madness must stop somewhere.

[irisblue]

5. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?comview_post&forum1002&pid12083293

source--twitterfeed of Dr.Daniel Grossman is an American obstetrician, gynecologist, and medical researcher. He is a professor in the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology & Reproductive Sciences at the University of California, San Francisco, where he is also the director of the collaborative research group Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) his Wiki page

This MD knows of what he speaks.

Threadreader app-Hi @BeckerGOP, I’m a practicing ob-gyn and researcher on abortion and contraception, and thought you might want some help understanding ectopic pregnancy since your bill (HB182) gets some things wrong. I’ll clear up a few things in this thread.



An ectopic pregnancy occurs when the pregnancy implants outside of the uterus, most commonly in the Fallopian tube (that’s the little tube that carries the egg from the ovary to the uterus). Rarely the ectopic pregnancy can develop somewhere else like the cervix or the abdomen.
Somewhere between 1-3% of pregnancies are ectopic. Based on that, I estimate that at least 2,000 Ohio women have an ectopic pregnancy each year.


Unfortunately, ectopic pregnancies cannot continue to a ive birth. If untreated, as a pregnancy grows, the Fallopian tube (where 96% of ectopics develop) gets stretched to the point of rupture & can cause massive bleeding. 4% of maternal deaths are related to ectopic pregnancy.


Luckily, there is treatment for ectopic pregnancy, including medication & surgery. This treatment is very effective & allows women to retain fertility so they can get pregnant in the future if they want. I was concerned to see HB182 removes insurance coverage for this treatment.
Unfortunately, an ectopic pregnancy cannot be “reimplanted” into the uterus. We just don’t have the technology. So I would suggest removing this from your bill, since it’s pure science fiction.


Your bill is dangerous on many levels, @BeckerGOP, since it creates even more obstacles for patients seeking safe abortion—especially for women of color and those with low incomes.
While we’re in the middle of a maternal mortality crisis, it is unconscionable to consider placing obstacles in the way of treatment for ectopic pregnancy. Thanks for listening, @BeckerGOP, and feel free to reach out if you have more questions!

[Metalmom]

11. Hope more DR's speak up

And they need to speak up about the issue of some birth control medication being illegal too

[Flaleftist]

6. What the fuck is going on here?

Hasn't the Supreme Court settles this shit, if not, what is the hold up with the challenges?

[Metalmom]

13. Ohio just passed a heart beat law

6 weeks...... when a lot of women don't even know they're pregnant.

[Flaleftist]

17. Is this not blatantly against Roe vs. Wade?

[FiveGoodMen]

20. It's probably intended to make it all the way up to SCOTUS to reverse Roe v. Wade

[Maggiemayhem]

46. Ding Ding Ding

That is their intention Boycott Georgia, Alabama, Ohio and any other state coming up with this nonsense. Hurt their pocketbooks.

[Hekate]

7. People like him don't care about science, ethics, compassion, or reality

I am convinced they hate women and think we are brainless cows who can't be trusted with our own wombs.

[irisblue]

10. This guy is from near Cinncy

He was on FB yesterday and stated as he read his "hatemail" ....
Rachel Coyle (@RRuby44) Tweeted:
The #Ohio Rep who introduced the "ectopic pregnancy" bill (HB 182), John Becker, has now posted this message on Facebook:
https://t.co/qYutlhRddt

📞@OHRGOPCaucus Chief of Staff Jonathon McGee: 614-466-0968 or [e-mail]

📞Sergeant at Arms Dan Lay: 614-644-9804 https://t.co/GZGlxuMmFp

Link to tweet

[maxsolomon]

18. He's a good example of why I left Cincy 25 years ago.

The suburbs are filled with Catholic anti-abortion fanatics, and white people terrified of black people.

But I repeat myself.

On edit: oh, look, he went to Xavier. Quelle surprise.

[irisblue]

12. He has been pushing a very similiar idea since mid 2000s

And he'll keep trying to lay groundwork to keep trying for the.next 30 yrs.

[still_one]

15. I am sorry, but you obviously have never read the Todd Akin book on "legitimate rape" and female

anatomy

[Arkansas Granny]

16. Whenever I read of abortion rights being restricted I recall a classmate

telling me when I was 12 years old that her older sister had gotten pregnant but she went to see Aunt So and so who took care of the problem. This was an old woman in our neighborhood who lived in a backwoods shack that didn't have indoor plumbing.

We can't go back to that.

[irisblue]

22. A neighborhood girl used a knitting needle to open her cervix so she could self induce

In 1969. She preforated her uterus and bled out.
Not again

[Arkansas Granny]

30. Restrictions will only reduce safe abortions. It won't abolish them.

[irisblue]

32. Your right

There will always be an unsafe dangerous backalley way to do abortions. And women will die.

[riversedge]

23. "I don't know. I'm not smart enough to know what causes abortions and what doesn't. The bill's just

whow. and this idiot is an elected lawmaker!!



Ohio Women's Watch
? @OhioWomensWatch
5h5 hours ago

Ohio Rep. John Becker (@BeckerGOP) on how #HB182 would affect emergency contraception:

"I don't know. I'm not smart enough to know what causes abortions and what doesn't. The bill's just written 'if it causes an abortion' & people smarter than me can figure out what that means."

Link to tweet

[blueinredohio]

24. Think I'll donate to PP in his name.

[riversedge]

25. In defending his bill, Rep. [John] Becker has claimed that contraceptives cause abortion (they don't

EXCERPTS: In defending his bill, Rep. [John] Becker has claimed that contraceptives cause abortion (they don’t) and that ectopic pregnancies—in which the embryo implants somewhere other than the uterus, usually the fallopian tube—can be fixed... https://rewirenews.link/2YhENUQ

Link to tweet

[riversedge]

31. after reading his mail--becker is reminded of the need for good folks to carry guns...

I just checked Facebook--his comment is still posted



John Becker

As I'm sitting at my computer reviewing my hate mail, I am reminded of the need for honest citizens to carry guns.
17 hrs · Public

......................................

The #Ohio Rep who introduced the "ectopic pregnancy" bill (HB 182), John Becker, has now posted this message on Facebook: https://tinyurl.com/yy3zv7e7 📞@OHRGOPCaucus Chief of Staff Jonathon McGee: 614-466-0968 or [e-mail] 📞Sergeant at Arms Dan Lay: 614-644-9804

Link to tweet

[Volaris]

38. What a toon...Jon, look here. No liberal is gonna up and shoot you for being an idiot,

Because we understand how that would be wrong, immoral, cruel, and unusual.

But I fucking PROMISE that your voters want to shoot me, for the sin of being smarter than they are.

[Mr.Bill]

36. He looks like banjo boy from Deliverance. n/t

[renate]

59. Yes! That's it!

I couldn’t put my finger on it.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. Thinking an ectopic pregnancy can simply be moved to the uterus

shows a profound lack of understanding of how a pregnancy develops.

It's not merely that we don't have the technology. It's that we probably never will.

[Metalmom]

27. It's as bad as

thinking a woman could just have a C-section instead of having an abortion. A woman I used to know actually suggested that.
Let that sink in.....a woman suggested that. This is why we need sex ed in schools.

[Botany]

28. The boy is a genius no doubt

From wiki:

Becker claims to be the most conservative politician in the Ohio legislature.[5] He introduced bills in 2013 to allow state employees to carry guns on the job in most state buildings and to prohibit law enforcement agencies from destroying firearms confiscated by the police.[6]

In 2003, before his election to the legislature, Becker wrote a letter to the editor of the Cincinnati Enquirer pointing out that as Massachusetts had recently allowed same-sex marriage, the federal government to amend the Constitution to prohibit such unions, or failing that expel Massachusetts from the Union.[7] The previous year, in another such letter, he proposed allowing Alaska to leave the Union so that it would be free to produce more oil.[8]

[Cold War Spook]

55. If they did expel Massachusetts from the Union

I would move back there.

[Ohiogal]

29. We have so many issues to address here in Ohio

Manufacturing unemployment. Farmers stung by Trump tariffs. Infrastructure. Lake Erie preservation. Education funding. Maternal death rate of black women.

Yet here these nauseating creeps sit in a room gleefully dreaming up ways to decimate a woman's right to self determination. Must be a top priority of the DeWine administration, since he was only just sworn in a couple months ago. Anyone else find this utterly disturbing??? Gee I'll bet they're drooling all over themselves coming up with this shit.

[CaptainTruth]

33. I heard ectopic pregnancies can be fixed by shoving John Becker's testicles up his nose.

I read it on the internet so it must be true.

But seriously, fuck these bastards.

[riversedge]

34. "Part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the fallopian tube and reinserting it in

https://radio.wosu.org/post/new-ohio-bill-would-ban-most-private-insurance-coverage-abortion#stream/0

.................Becker says the bill also speaks to coverage of ectopic or tubal pregnancies where the fertilized egg attaches outside of the womb.

“Part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the fallopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus so that is defined as not an abortion under this bill," Becker explains.

“That doesn’t exist in the realm of treatment for ectopic pregnancy," argues says Jaime Miracle, deputy director of NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio. "You can’t just re-implant. It’s not a medical thing."

She says, under this bill, women would have to wait until their very lives were in danger to get an abortion in the case of an ectopic pregnancy.

“This bill will have grave impacts on Ohio’s infant and maternal mortality rates," Miracle says.......................





Abortion protesters at the Ohio Statehouse in 2017.
Jo Ingles / Statehouse News Bureau

[samplegirl]

37. We have some dumbass

people in Ohio!

[Cirque du So-What]

45. Too bad Ohio doesn't have a monopoly on stupid people

Alas, they're everywhere, so I can't move to get away from them.

[BobTheSubgenius]

39. Not only can ectopic pregnancies not be reversed

...they are EXTREMELY dangerous. My understanding is that, left to run their course, (and a pretty short one it is), it will almost certainly end in at least severe consequences for both the woman and the zygote, and a great chance of death and certain death for the two, respectively..

(That is a horribly awkward sentence, but I`m too hot and tired to edit it. Please indulge me.)

Please correct me if I`m wrong. I have no need of faulty information.much less disseminating it.

[riversedge]

54. as the mass grows--it can rupture the F. tube-leading to bleeding and infection or worse. The

man is a dangerous idiot. He should not be allowed to talk on the floor of their legislative body.

[BobTheSubgenius]

58. Another dangerous idiot in a field of dangerous idiots.

Thank you for the info. I knew about the possibility of rupture, and indeed, all you would need is a small amount of thinking to assume that might well happen.

I had a friend who had an ectopic pregnancy, but I wasn't sure if her dire pronouncements were a bit overblown, because she runs that way.

[Bettie]

40. Well, in his head, it is probably a really tiny baby

and thus it could crawl into the uterus if someone gave it a tiny flashlight to help find the way.

Seriously, I think some of these guys are really that fucking dumb.

[SunSeeker]

41. I have lost all patience with anti-choice nutbags. They are a danger to us all.

[Honeycombe8]

42. Even if it could be done, is the govt going to pay for the operation?

Because ins. cos. probably won't.

[Ilsa]

48. "Experimental surgery." nt

[ck4829]

51. Bingo

[Mr. Evil]

43. As far as I'm concerned all abortion laws are unconstitutional.

They are based on religious beliefs which violates the separation of church and state. They are not based on medical science. Maybe I'm a simpleton on this but, this war on women and their individual freedom must be stopped.

[hunter]

44. It's now possible to transplant a human uterus.

I propose we transplant one into him so he can be kept at home barefoot and pregnant, nurturing to full term every sacred egg and sperm that would otherwise be discarded by his fellow anti-abortionists.

[Ilsa]

47. FACOG, the AMA, and other scientists specializing

In Women's Reproductive Health need to speak up.

Sure, the idiots will claim, "oh what does that egghead doctor know?" But given a choice, they'd send their wives and daughters to the egghead doctors for the best medical care.

[kimbutgar]

49. It's going to take the women of Ohio to vote these repukes out of office

When they realize they are going lose their reproductive rights and are forced to have unwanted babies and they criminalize birth control the women of Ohio will fight back. Every Democrat who runs in Ohio needs to make reproductive rights of women on their platform.

[Metalmom]

53. problem is

there are way too many women who support this nonsense. They believe this garbage medicine can be done. Ignorance will destroy this country

[ck4829]

50. K&R

[logosoco]

52. This is sooooo sickening.

As someone who had two ectopic pregnancies (one after several years of trying to get pregnant and the second after two healthy births but before the birth of my third child who only exists because of the skill of the surgeons in saving my Fallopian tubes) this makes me sick as well as VERY angry. Maybe we should have some sort of science competency exam for the people who are making laws about human bodies or the environment.


I would really like to see medical organizations speaking out more strongly about issues like this.

[Maraya1969]

56. An ectopic pregnancy doesn't have to end up in a fallopian tube. I know this!

They literally were not sure where the embryo implanted itself and thought that is could have gotten back into the ovaries somehow.

Whatever the fuck it was horrible. They caught it very early and I had to go to the doctor every other day to get a blood test to make sure it dissolved on its own.

Then they gave me a shot of Methotrexate which killed it.

Those GOP idiots can go fuck themselves.

[Mersky]

57. Before I went unconscious, I knew I couldn't be pregnant.

But if I had been pregnant, I would not have wanted to have it re-implanted. I couldn't have given consent to an experimental procedure either way, as I went into shock on the way to the hospital. I was serious in my studies at the time, was too young to care for a baby, and the human body can only take so much trauma at once.

When I awoke, I had one less ovary due to an ovarian torsion. The gynecologist who performed the surgery was extremely nice to me. Odd, because she looked like the same the doctor that yelled accusations that I must be lying about my nonexistent sex life and that it must be an ectopic pregnancy. Why did she wait for my blood pressure to drop to send me to imaging, more than 24 hours after being admitted? Some explanation about watchful waiting is all I got from her. Delay and doubt can be deadly in these emergencies.

Luckily, I survived the bleeding out into my ovary, and her judgment, as she ultimately saved my life.

These types of events are complex, and I am unnerved that any legislator thinks it is appropriate to interject his false morality and junk science into decisions made between patient and doctor.